|
|
Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 9:49:28 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 9:49:28 GMT 1
What was the significance of that run, then? If memory serves, it won us nothing and we were exactly where we started when it finished. The last 18 or so games started our successful promotion season  Those 18 games in which we were so good our Chairman decided we should change manager? Yep, I guess they we're pretty 'significant'. |
|
|
|
Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 9:55:22 GMT 1
I look at the "43 unbeaten run" this way; How many Town fans would like to see us go unbeaten until January next year? We all know what we feel like after a loss. Imagine not feeling like that for nearly a full year! Yes I know that Old Trafford was in the middle of it (one of the most anticipated/enjoyable/depressing days of my life), but it still doesn't take from the aforementioned. I loved LC's passion, commitment and animation. Simon Grayson had nowt. Under DW is our "New Begining". Enjoy the ride. UTT TTID   Grayson had nowt? Apart from multiple promotions on his CV, yeah. Give me that over passion, commitment and animation any day. You get me wrong. Grayson had achievements (and since with PNE). But what he lacked with us is everything that I have already mentioned - Passion, commitment and animation. Yes, he was in the seat when Peter Clarke started our comeback and Alex Smithies finished it. But, to me, he never seemed like his heart was in it. He never really seemed to be passionate about Town, either on the touchline, in interviews or person to person. He always seemed detached from Huddersfield Town - another job on his CV. That's just the way I feel. UTT TTID |
|
|
|
Post by shawsie on Feb 15, 2016 9:58:23 GMT 1
im kind of puzzled why lee clark causes such bitterness on here to be honest.
He did a decent job on the whole bringing in some excellent young players who went on to make millions for the club and we played some good stuff enjoying a record breaking unbeaten run.
Ultimately though he wasnt good enough to see it through and was dispensed with......cant we all just show some class by acknowledging the good things he did but also back the fact he was let go to allow a better man to see us over the line.
I suspect clark is a good coach but his emotive failings and excuses wont allow him a tremendous managerial career. Needed a strong no2 like jacko had in yorath but brought in the waste of space mcdermott whose only contribution was buying butties and sorting bets!
|
|
|
|
Post by royrace on Feb 15, 2016 10:01:07 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. I think its because it occurred because we had bought better players that anyone else and we drew loads of games we should have been winning, we also never really looked like a team, the team had no identity, no fixed way of playing, it always appeared that the results were achieved through us having better players rather than being a better 'team'. Kind of the opposite to what we're seeing with Wagner although granted its early days. I like Clarky but he's a shit manager I'm afraid, the turnaround at Brum since he left has proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt I think. Hope he does well at Kilmarnock but I doubt it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:10:07 GMT 1
Roses are Violet Violets are blue Notts forest 0 Huddersfiel 2 X just comfirmed the previously mentioned. Is everything violet in the world of Nick? Nick colour blind .Poor chap. |
|
|
|
Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 10:19:29 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 15, 2016 10:19:29 GMT 1
Some very bitter posts on here, clark did a good job.
|
|
|
|
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 10:29:03 GMT 1
The last 18 or so games started our successful promotion season Those 18 games in which we were so good our Chairman decided we should change manager? Yep, I guess they we're pretty 'significant'. But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 10:29:54 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:29:54 GMT 1
Grayson had nowt? Apart from multiple promotions on his CV, yeah. Give me that over passion, commitment and animation any day. You get me wrong. Grayson had achievements (and since with PNE). But what he lacked with us is everything that I have already mentioned - Passion, commitment and animation. Yes, he was in the seat when Peter Clarke started our comeback and Alex Smithies finished it. But, to me, he never seemed like his heart was in it. He never really seemed to be passionate about Town, either on the touchline, in interviews or person to person. He always seemed detached from Huddersfield Town - another job on his CV. That's just the way I feel. UTT TTID Grayson was the same at Leeds, the club he supported. It was his nature to be quite calm. |
|
|
|
Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 10:34:10 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by space hardware on Feb 15, 2016 10:34:10 GMT 1
Grayson had nowt? Apart from multiple promotions on his CV, yeah. Give me that over passion, commitment and animation any day. You get me wrong. Grayson had achievements (and since with PNE). But what he lacked with us is everything that I have already mentioned - Passion, commitment and animation. Yes, he was in the seat when Peter Clarke started our comeback and Alex Smithies finished it. But, to me, he never seemed like his heart was in it. He never really seemed to be passionate about Town, either on the touchline, in interviews or person to person. He always seemed detached from Huddersfield Town - another job on his CV. That's just the way I feel. UTT TTID Maybe the players responded better to his calm demeanour, rather than the rantings and ravings of the paranoid, swivel-eyed loon that Clark became by the end? |
|
|
|
Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 10:35:16 GMT 1
You get me wrong. Grayson had achievements (and since with PNE). But what he lacked with us is everything that I have already mentioned - Passion, commitment and animation. Yes, he was in the seat when Peter Clarke started our comeback and Alex Smithies finished it. But, to me, he never seemed like his heart was in it. He never really seemed to be passionate about Town, either on the touchline, in interviews or person to person. He always seemed detached from Huddersfield Town - another job on his CV. That's just the way I feel. UTT TTID Grayson was the same at Leeds, the club he supported. It was his nature to be quite calm. Okay. But he never enthused me, as a fan! |
|
|
|
Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 15, 2016 10:36:04 GMT 1
In regards to grayson, how many of you on here would be passionate and committed to managing Leeds?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:40:33 GMT 1
Those 18 games in which we were so good our Chairman decided we should change manager? Yep, I guess they we're pretty 'significant'. But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. I'm not sure you can call it luck when he's been in them three times and got promoted on each occasion. I suspect the reason he gets so much stick on here is a big part to do with Nick and his OTT postings about the guy. Also, the fact he came across, to me at least, as such an unlikable and unintelligent character. No other manager we've had in the recent past gets talked about as much and most of them were more successful for us the LC. As for his unbeaten run record, to think that's a worthwhile achievement, then you have to prefer drawing three games in a row to winning two and losing one - not to mention believing the most important game in that period doesn't count. |
|
|
|
Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 10:40:49 GMT 1
Those 18 games in which we were so good our Chairman decided we should change manager? Yep, I guess they we're pretty 'significant'. But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. I don't have an ounce of bitterness towards Lee Clark. He did fine with us... no more, no less. It's as easy to bandy about a word like 'bitterness', as it would be to use the phrase 'love in'. Both are a bit extreme. |
|
|
|
Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 10:45:00 GMT 1
But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. I'm not sure you can call it luck when he's been in them three times and got promoted on each occasion. I suspect the reason he gets so much stick on here is a big part to do with Nick and his OTT postings about the guy. Also, the fact he came across, to me at least, as such an unlikable and unintelligent character. No other manager we've had in the recent past gets talked about as much and most of them were more successful for us the LC. As for his unbeaten run record, to think that's a worthwhile achievement, then you have to prefer drawing three games in a row to winning two and losing one - not to mention believing the most important game in that period doesn't count. I think this is a very salient point. |
|
|
|
Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 10:46:11 GMT 1
But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. I don't have an ounce of bitterness towards Lee Clark. He did fine with us... no more, no less. It's as easy to bandy about a word like 'bitterness', as it would be to use the phrase 'love in'. Both are a bit extreme.Isn't that what supporting Town is about? The highs (win one) & the lows (lose/draw one). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:48:44 GMT 1
In regards to grayson, how many of you on here would be passionate and committed to managing Leeds? I could do it. I could quite easily play golf 7 days a week while being pretending to give a shit, Coaching a group of subhumans 20 minutes a day while being overseen by an italian muppet, passinate in my belief of them going out and losing every game. I could be quite bloody passionate in that respect. |
|
|
|
Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 15, 2016 10:50:48 GMT 1
In regards to grayson, how many of you on here would be passionate and committed to managing Leeds? I could do it. I could quite easily play golf 7 days a week while being pretending to give a shit, Coaching a group of subhumans 20 minutes a day while being overseen by an italian muppet, passinate in my belief of them going out and losing every game. I could be quite bloody passionate in that respect. Cellino would probably give a few on here a job for life pal. |
|
|
|
Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 10:51:13 GMT 1
I'm not sure you can call it luck when he's been in them three times and got promoted on each occasion. I suspect the reason he gets so much stick on here is a big part to do with Nick and his OTT postings about the guy. Also, the fact he came across, to me at least, as such an unlikable and unintelligent character. No other manager we've had in the recent past gets talked about as much and most of them were more successful for us the LC. As for his unbeaten run record, to think that's a worthwhile achievement, then you have to prefer drawing three games in a row to winning two and losing one - not to mention believing the most important game in that period doesn't count. I think this is a very salient point. I agree. Are we looking at what our heart said, at the time? Or are we re-acting to a non connected, recent comment? |
|
|
|
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 10:59:58 GMT 1
Would he have had a 43 league unbeaten run if we had got promoted or as high a win percentage?The "success" he had at Town was due to his failure to get them promoted because we played league 1 teams every season. Three and a half years in the same division with one of the biggest and richest clubs and he's seen as a legend by some. Pretty unbelievable really. He's the worst manager Hoyle appointed and you only have to look at what Birmingham have done since he left to see he just isn't very good. But never the biggest or the richest! Each automatically promoted club had a bigger budget than Clark had to start a season at Town. 2009/10 Norwich, Leeds (both automatic) Millwall Charlton and Southampton had a bigger budget than Town's £5.6m 2010/11 Brighton, Southampton (both automatic) Charlton and Sheffield Wednesday all had bigger budgets than Town's £7.2m 2011/12 Charlton, Sheffield Wed (both automatic) and Sheffield Utd all had bigger budgets than Town's £8.09m I have provided the links to these budgets in the past and can dig them out again if required |
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2016 11:09:16 GMT 1
You get me wrong. Grayson had achievements (and since with PNE). But what he lacked with us is everything that I have already mentioned - Passion, commitment and animation. Yes, he was in the seat when Peter Clarke started our comeback and Alex Smithies finished it. But, to me, he never seemed like his heart was in it. He never really seemed to be passionate about Town, either on the touchline, in interviews or person to person. He always seemed detached from Huddersfield Town - another job on his CV. That's just the way I feel. UTT TTID Maybe the players responded better to his calm demeanour, rather than the rantings and ravings of the paranoid, swivel-eyed loon that Clark became by the end? Think theres a lot of truth in that. Clark knew he was under a lot of pressure to finally deliver the minimum target hed been set, and he didn't cope with that pressure very well IMO. Especially after his relationship with DH must have been soured by him touting himself around for the Leicester job. His post match ramblings gave it away to me. You could hear loud and clear the stress and panic in his voice, so if he was like that when facing the media, i dread to think how emotional he would have been with the players. And that atmosphere is bound to rub of on the squad- pressurised, nervy, over-excited, manic, stressed, scared- all a reflection of the manager as puch came to shove near the end of the season. I don't think we'd have gone up with him in charge. Grayson was much less intense. Calmed the players down and think that was what got them over the line in the end. Hed seen it and done it all before and Id bet the players had a lot more trust in him. |
|
|
|
Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 15, 2016 11:18:43 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 15, 2016 11:26:46 GMT 1
Clark gave us some good players and good times but ultimately never quite did the job but was a nice bloke.
Grayson got promotion and did OK with us in the Championship at first and brought some good players in. I didn't warm to him as much but without him we wouldn't have been promoted.
Neither are saints or sinners and people will always have their favourites or those they feel hard done by. Time to move on though and be part of the Wagner Revolution!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 11:29:11 GMT 1
But without those 55 points from the first 30 games that season under Clark maybe we wouldn't necessarily have been in the playoffs so we could sneak over the line at Wembley. Lee Clark was sacked after his 3rd defeat in 55 League One games. SG managed to lose 4 in the remaining 16 games of the season. Under Clark that season Plyd 30 Pts 55 GD +27 = 1.833 pts per game, GD of +0.9 per game Under Grayson Plyd 16 Pts 26 GD +5 = 1.625 pts per game, GD of +0.313 per game One thing that cannot be denied is that Grayson had way more luck than LC in the lottery that is the playoffs and DH was seen to be right to make the change. The bitterness towards Clark is something I struggle to get my head around. I am not saying that DH shouldn't have fired him but I certainly remember his time more fondly than I do Grayson, for example, even though he was the manager on the day of our promotion. LC gave the job his all and ultimately he came up short, DH intimated after sacking SG that Grayson didn't, so that tells the whole story for me. Not once have I heard LC anything but praise this club to this day, whereas Grayson was belittling us at his first opportunity at a L666s forum shortly after his sacking. I'm not sure you can call it luck when he's been in them three times and got promoted on each occasion. I suspect the reason he gets so much stick on here is a big part to do with Nick and his OTT postings about the guy. Also, the fact he came across, to me at least, as such an unlikable and unintelligent character. No other manager we've had in the recent past gets talked about as much and most of them were more successful for us the LC. As for his unbeaten run record, to think that's a worthwhile achievement, then you have to prefer drawing three games in a row to winning two and losing one - not to mention believing the most important game in that period doesn't count. His playoff win with us took 11 penalties a side to get a winner, we got the rub of the green in the shootout and Sheff utd didn't was the reason we were promoted. As for the unbeaten run it was the FL who decided it was a worthwhile achievement. I'm sure we'd have all preferred to have won the OT playoff game but we didn't but the FL didn't see fit to tarnish the 'achievement' so it baffles me why our supporters would. Your statement of preferring 3 draws to 2 wins and a loss is more than misleading - it would be correct if we drew each of the 43 games. In the unbeaten run we had 25 wins and 18 draws, the previous record was held by Forest who had 21 wins and 21 draws in their 42 game unbeaten run. I can't recall any bemoaning Forest fans about too many draws. I definitely would prefer Nick to not have as strong an infatuation with LC as he does, as you suggest it does not help LC's legacy one iota that our panto villain/village idiot espouses his 'talents' so often. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 11:33:12 GMT 1
I'm not sure you can call it luck when he's been in them three times and got promoted on each occasion. I suspect the reason he gets so much stick on here is a big part to do with Nick and his OTT postings about the guy. Also, the fact he came across, to me at least, as such an unlikable and unintelligent character. No other manager we've had in the recent past gets talked about as much and most of them were more successful for us the LC. As for his unbeaten run record, to think that's a worthwhile achievement, then you have to prefer drawing three games in a row to winning two and losing one - not to mention believing the most important game in that period doesn't count. His playoff win with us took 11 penalties a side to get a winner, we got the rub of the green in the shootout and Sheff utd didn't was the reason we were promoted. As for the unbeaten run it was the FL who decided it was a worthwhile achievement. I'm sure we'd have all preferred to have won the OT playoff game but we didn't but the FL didn't see fit to tarnish the 'achievement' so it baffles me why our supporters would. Your statement of preferring 3 draws to 2 wins and a loss is more than misleading - it would be correct if we drew each of the 43 games. In the unbeaten run we had 25 wins and 18 draws, the previous record was held by Forest who had 21 wins and 21 draws in their 42 game unbeaten run. I can't recall any bemoaning Forest fans about too many draws.I definitely would prefer Nick to not have as strong an infatuation with LC as he does, as you suggest it does not help LC's legacy one iota that our panto villain/village idiot espouses his 'talents' so often. I suspect they were too busy celebrating the league title that their run also helped them to achieve. Our run started and ended in the same league, making it all fairly pointless. |
|
|
|
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 11:36:31 GMT 1
His playoff win with us took 11 penalties a side to get a winner, we got the rub of the green in the shootout and Sheff utd didn't was the reason we were promoted. As for the unbeaten run it was the FL who decided it was a worthwhile achievement. I'm sure we'd have all preferred to have won the OT playoff game but we didn't but the FL didn't see fit to tarnish the 'achievement' so it baffles me why our supporters would. Your statement of preferring 3 draws to 2 wins and a loss is more than misleading - it would be correct if we drew each of the 43 games. In the unbeaten run we had 25 wins and 18 draws, the previous record was held by Forest who had 21 wins and 21 draws in their 42 game unbeaten run. I can't recall any bemoaning Forest fans about too many draws.I definitely would prefer Nick to not have as strong an infatuation with LC as he does, as you suggest it does not help LC's legacy one iota that our panto villain/village idiot espouses his 'talents' so often. I suspect they were too busy celebrating the league title that their run also helped them to achieve. Our run started and ended in the same league, making it all fairly pointless. As stated previously the final 18 games of the run started our promotion season, without them we may never have made the playoffs to win them by football's equivalent of a coin toss |
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2016 11:41:37 GMT 1
I don't think Forest lost a game in the middle of their unbeaten run either!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 11:48:05 GMT 1
Clark gave us some good players and good times but ultimately never quite did the job but was a nice bloke. Grayson got promotion and did OK with us in the Championship at first and brought some good players in. I didn't warm to him as much but without him we wouldn't have been promoted. Neither are saints or sinners and people will always have their favourites or those they feel hard done by. Time to move on though and be part of the Wagner Revolution!! I think that sums it up quite nicely. |
|
|
|
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 11:49:12 GMT 1
I don't think Forest lost a game in the middle of their unbeaten run either!!! I'm sure they lost a cup game, which is how the FL classify the playoffs, an end of season cup competition with the winners (who hold aloft a trophy for all to see) gaining the final promotion spot to the higher division. Surely you aren't going to try the old but it's a league game nonsense are you? |
|
|
|
Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 11:57:10 GMT 1
I forgot about the non weirdo demographic of the Lee Clark appreciation society.. sometimes referred to as "expats "
|
|
|
|
Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 12:02:13 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by space hardware on Feb 15, 2016 12:02:13 GMT 1
I forgot about the non weirdo demographic of the Lee Clark appreciation society.. sometimes referred to as "expats " They weren't here, man..... they weren't here.... (gazes into the distance with a thousand yard stare) |
|
