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Lee Clark
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 15, 2016 19:56:14 GMT 1
I agree Grayson was lucky. He had to be because we didn't look like we were going up before he arrived. If we hadn't have gone up though, we would have stood a much better chance the season after with his players brought in, even if we'd lost Rhodes. Having 4 promotions cant all be down to luck. He has completely transformed Preston, like he did with Blackpool and Leeds. All ifs, buts and maybes but IMO without Rhodes we wouldn't have had a chance. We got promoted that year because Ched Evans got convicted. If he hadn't, Utd would have got auto promotion and Wednesday would have blown us away in the final. This one again. Sheff U were desperate to sell Evans the summer they were relegated and he wanted to go. The impending case kept him there. He had refused to even talk to League One clubs (including us) when told by Man City he was going to be sold and would definitely not have played down there had all things being right. With him gone they would have been nowhere near the top of the table. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 20:06:58 GMT 1
It's as if we've never been here a thousand times before .. but if people will start these stupid threads ...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 15, 2016 20:09:10 GMT 1
It's as if we've never been here a thousand times before .. but if people will start these stupid threads ... W I know, it should be under the original super dooper merged one. |
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Post by explorer on Feb 15, 2016 20:48:14 GMT 1
Killie are in a relegation battle, so they call in a man who lost a relegation battle last season and avoided it on the last day of the previous season with a squad full of ex-prem players. Either nobody else wanted the job, or he is cheap. Either way, good luck to him but the world of football is sometimes an odd place..
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 21:38:21 GMT 1
I'm sure they lost a cup game, which is how the FL classify the playoffs, an end of season cup competition with the winners (who hold aloft a trophy for all to see) gaining the final promotion spot to the higher division. Surely you aren't going to try the old but it's a league game nonsense are you?  You mean the crazy notion that a game that effects your league placing is a league game?  The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run. |
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Post by bogart on Feb 15, 2016 21:43:01 GMT 1
He'll feel right at home at Killie, what with the blue and white stripes! Hope he does a good job, but realistically success for them would be continued survival in the SPL and getting the crowds back up to 5k. Anyone remember Town v Killie in a mid-season friendly in '67? 0-0 but a decent game in front of nearly 11.5k. Not that one. Did we not lose to them in a pre season game some years later? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 21:50:10 GMT 1
You mean the crazy notion that a game that effects your league placing is a league game? The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run. Utter utter nonsense |
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Post by fiatlux on Feb 15, 2016 22:04:39 GMT 1
I know I should have read the WHOLE 5 pages about Wor Lee , but couldn't be arsed. Why on earth would anyone want to dwell on the past ..a failed manager who had more than enough money thrown at him to have created a far more relevant and interesting legacy than a dubious unbeaten record.
Just to be awkward and risk the wrath of the thread police and perhaps at the same time introduce something half worth debating ...our Jordan is getting a good slapping on and off the ball at Elland Rd. Score the winner Jordan.
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Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 22:07:55 GMT 1
You mean the crazy notion that a game that effects your league placing is a league game? The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run. They are extended league games Doc, and you know it. The play-off matches pertain to a club's LEAGUE status. Where does any cup game impact on your domestic league position? The games only exist to determine your LEAGUE position, not because there is a need for an end of season, stand alone, cup competition. The fact that there is a cup given out after the Wembley final is purely academic... the prize ISN"T silverware, it's the right to play in a division higher of the LEAGUE. You can dress it up any way you like, but it's a LEAGUE defining set of fixtures. The cup given out at the end could be taken away and there would be no different outcome nor no less euphoria by the team that wins promotion. To claim otherwise would be merely trying to protect the supposed unbeaten run. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 22:42:49 GMT 1
The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run. The play-off matches pertain to a club's LEAGUE status. Where does any cup game impact on your domestic league position? The games only exist to determine your LEAGUE position, not because there is a need for an end of season, stand alone, cup competition. The fact that there is a cup given out after the Wembley final is purely academic... the prize ISN"T silverware, it's the right to play in a division higher of the LEAGUE. You can dress it up any way you like, but it's a LEAGUE defining set of fixtures. The cup given out at the end could be taken away and there would be no different outcome nor no less euphoria by the team that wins promotion. To claim otherwise would be merely trying to protect the supposed unbeaten run. Not at all fella! I am truly staggered that I even have to explain it at all. I thought Cap'n, ted and yourself were pulling my plonker! I am baffled why anyone would see it differently It's an end of season 4 team cup competition with the winners gaining the final promotion spot to the higher division. For me, it always has been and always will be!! (and definitely a couple of decades before LC came to Town) I'm actually stunned that anyone could see it otherwise. From the FL rules.... 10 Promotion, Relegation and Play-Offs 10.1 The following provisions shall have effect in relation to the admission of new members of The League and promotion, relegation and retirement: 10.1.1 Promotion and relegation between The Premier League and The Championship (a) At the end of each Season, The League shall accept into membership the three clubs finishing in the lowest three places in The Premier League, in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. (b) At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions in The Championship of the League Competition shall be promoted to The Premier League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in The Championship shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the same terms. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 22:46:54 GMT 1
Whether its a league game or a cup game, I'd sooner we had won against Peterborough and lost one of the early games in the championship the next season. Better still I wish we had beaten Millwall the season before and whoever in the final.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 22:48:11 GMT 1
Doc. And we also mate
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 22:56:56 GMT 1
Well I think it's clear the entity (FL) that thought them up and use them see them differently to league games, as they wouldn't have recognised the unbeaten run beyond 27 games (adding 2 for the playoff semis) Rarely do I find myself stunned by the thoughts of the finer mainstay posters on here, but you can chalk this one up! |
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Post by mchalewasgreat on Feb 15, 2016 22:58:00 GMT 1
Sorry can't send mister Clarke my best wishes,he drove me to despair at times and I almost stopped attending games.Kilmarnock will now feature in all my accumulator bets,should help my finances.
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Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 23:00:06 GMT 1
They are extended league games Doc, and you know it. The play-off matches pertain to a club's LEAGUE status. Where does any cup game impact on your domestic league position? The games only exist to determine your LEAGUE position, not because there is a need for an end of season, stand alone, cup competition. The fact that there is a cup given out after the Wembley final is purely academic... the prize ISN"T silverware, it's the right to play in a division higher of the LEAGUE. You can dress it up any way you like, but it's a LEAGUE defining set of fixtures. The cup given out at the end could be taken away and there would be no different outcome nor no less euphoria by the team that wins promotion. To claim otherwise would be merely trying to protect the supposed unbeaten run. Not at all fella! I am truly staggered that I even have to explain it at all. I thought Cap'n, ted and yourself were pulling my plonker! I am baffled why anyone would see it differently It's an end of season 4 team cup competition with the winners gaining the final promotion spot to the higher division. For me, it always has been and always will be!! (and definitely a couple of decades before LC came to Town) I'm actually stunned that anyone could see it otherwise. From the FL rules.... 10 Promotion, Relegation and Play-Offs 10.1 The following provisions shall have effect in relation to the admission of new members of The League and promotion, relegation and retirement: 10.1.1 Promotion and relegation between The Premier League and The Championship (a) At the end of each Season, The League shall accept into membership the three clubs finishing in the lowest three places in The Premier League, in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. (b) At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions in The Championship of the League Competition shall be promoted to The Premier League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in The Championship shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the same terms. WHY.. because they get given a cup?!!!!! Where in the rules does it mention a cup? It's a 'competition'. You know... like the league IS A COMPETITION! |
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Post by buckers on Feb 15, 2016 23:04:09 GMT 1
The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run. Utter utter nonsense No it's not he's right |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 23:04:29 GMT 1
You get a cup for winning the league title.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 23:07:32 GMT 1
Not at all fella! I am truly staggered that I even have to explain it at all. I thought Cap'n, ted and yourself were pulling my plonker! I am baffled why anyone would see it differently It's an end of season 4 team cup competition with the winners gaining the final promotion spot to the higher division. For me, it always has been and always will be!! (and definitely a couple of decades before LC came to Town) I'm actually stunned that anyone could see it otherwise. From the FL rules.... 10 Promotion, Relegation and Play-Offs 10.1 The following provisions shall have effect in relation to the admission of new members of The League and promotion, relegation and retirement: 10.1.1 Promotion and relegation between The Premier League and The Championship (a) At the end of each Season, The League shall accept into membership the three clubs finishing in the lowest three places in The Premier League, in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. (b) At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions in The Championship of the League Competition shall be promoted to The Premier League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in The Championship shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the same terms. WHY.. because they get given a cup?!!!!! Where in the rules does it mention a cup? It's a 'competition'. You know... like the league IS A COMPETITION! Maybe because the said play-off competition games are played using cup rules, with rounds, finals, extra time and penalties, unlike the LEAGUE competition with points and draws at 90 minutes (or even 45 at certain Blackpool games). My flabber has truly been ghasted. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 23:11:09 GMT 1
You mean the crazy notion that a game that effects your league placing is a league game? The clues are there Cap'n....... The 4 playoff qualifiers compete in two legged SEMI FINALS, the winner of each TIE meet in the FINAL at WEMBLEY. If the teams are tied at the end of normal time then EXTRA TIME is played and if they still can't be separated then a PENALTY SHOOTOUT takes place to determine the winner. Still sounding like league matches to you? The final league table always shows a 46 game season, no league points are awarded to any team competing in the playoffs and a (P) is placed next to the winners of the playoffs. But hey if you still want to call them league games then call the FL for clarification The only reason anyone would call the playoffs league games is merely wanting to undermine the unbeaten run.  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 23:14:22 GMT 1
Well I think it's clear the entity (FL) that thought them up and use them see them differently to league games, as they wouldn't have recognised the unbeaten run beyond 27 games (adding 2 for the playoff semis) Rarely do I find myself stunned by the thoughts of the finer mainstay posters on here, but you can chalk this one up! Doc I'm a football fan... I care not one jot what spin the football league wishes to put on any given situation. If you want to think we went 46 matches just so we could play in three cup games then go for it fella |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 23:15:36 GMT 1
Oh ok the oracle has spoken .. Conversation over |
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Post by impact on Feb 15, 2016 23:16:06 GMT 1
Well I think it's clear the entity (FL) that thought them up and use them see them differently to league games, as they wouldn't have recognised the unbeaten run beyond 27 games (adding 2 for the playoff semis) Rarely do I find myself stunned by the thoughts of the finer mainstay posters on here, but you can chalk this one up! Doc I'm a football fan... I care not one jot what spin the football league wishes to put on any given situation. If you want to think we went 46 matches just so we could play in three cup games then go for it fella Except that's exactly what happens isn't it? |
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Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 23:16:59 GMT 1
WHY.. because they get given a cup?!!!!! Where in the rules does it mention a cup? It's a 'competition'. You know... like the league IS A COMPETITION! Maybe because the said play-off competition games are played using cup rules, with rounds, finals, extra time and penalties, unlike the LEAGUE competition with points and draws at 90 minutes (or even 45 at certain Blackpool games). My flabber has truly been ghasted. Maybe because it is the quickest and most exciting way to do it without having to play 6 games each in a mini league format that would extend the already exhaustive season to a ridiculous length. Whichever way you want to view it... we were beaten. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 23:20:49 GMT 1
Did anyone ( except maybe the doc live from Canada ) rub their hands in glee on the first day of the 2011-12 season saying " come on lads lets go for the 27th ( or whatever it was) unbeaten" ? Or were we still all nursing our heartbroken tickers at the fact we had lost in the most important league game in 20 years plus ?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 23:21:49 GMT 1
Oh ok the oracle has spoken .. Conversation over To be fair Ted it's clear we disagree on this subject but I would never be as dismissive of one of your posts as utter utter nonsense so Buckers response IMO was in the same vein as yours. (oh and clearly correct ) |
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Post by Ruairí on Feb 15, 2016 23:22:36 GMT 1
The unbeaten run was very thin gruel compared to going up. I understand the club had to try to elicit some excitement the following year, but an achievement that requires this level of technical quibbling isn't worth much.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 23:22:50 GMT 1
Doc I'm a football fan... I care not one jot what spin the football league wishes to put on any given situation. If you want to think we went 46 matches just so we could play in three cup games then go for it fella Except that's exactly what happens isn't it? In your pain free world obviously .. Why not have done with it and rename them the johnsons paint play offs and award a huge trophy and a 10k cheque for winning it ? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 23:23:55 GMT 1
Oh ok the oracle has spoken .. Conversation over To be fair Ted it's clear we disagree on this subject but I would never be as dismissive of one of your posts as utter utter nonsense so Buckers response IMO was in the same vein as yours. (oh and clearly correct ) There's a reason I'm being dismissive .. I dismiss what you are saying as being rubbish |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 23:27:36 GMT 1
Did anyone ( except maybe the doc live from Canada ) rub their hands in glee on the first day of the 2011-12 season saying " come on lads lets go for the 27th ( or whatever it was) unbeaten" ? Or were we still all nursing our heartbroken tickers at the fact we had lost in the most important league game in 20 years plus ? Doc didn't emigrate until Aug 2014, so feel free once again to ridicule an opinion based on geography alone. Poor show fella! I am quite sure my heart was as broken as anyone else's after OT! Never once during the run did I celebrate it until we broke Forest's record. |
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Post by impact on Feb 15, 2016 23:28:25 GMT 1
Except that's exactly what happens isn't it? In your pain free world obviously .. Why not have done with it and rename them the johnsons paint play offs and award a huge trophy and a 10k cheque for winning it ? They name them the sky bet play offs You do get a big trophy for winning them The 10k cheque comes in the form of increased TV money |
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