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May 10, 2015 19:45:36 GMT 1
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Post by queenybantam07 on May 10, 2015 19:45:36 GMT 1
No wonder they are skint! I'm gonna bite. We've been in the black since 2007 - and announce profits every season, whilst your chairman pummels millions in every year just to keep you afloat. It's a fantastic incentive that should be applauded, not scoffed at, irrespective of what income we receive from It. Oh, and spare me the numerous media artcles stating that we're x amount over budget every season, it's a bloody smokescreen, of which Lawn has repeated since his arrival in 2007. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 19:35:47 GMT 1
So when prices were set at £20 for away fans at Valley Parade, how come you never brought over 2,700?
Unless I'm mistaken?
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 18:58:09 GMT 1
You can attempt to pull the averages to bits at your peril, but I can sorta reason with you as you haven't the slightest clue what it's like to play 64 games in a season, have you? How you lot can go on about away support given your pathetic followings at Valley Parade down the years is comical to say the least. The season we played arsenal in the cup (3 years ago?) we played 64 games I think. Semi final of the JPT and play off final. Didn't hear anyone bleating about expensive day outs when we took 32000 to old trafford - more than 20% of the population of the town. The reason we 'go on' about away attendances is because there are several Bradford WUMs that hijack countless unrelated threads on here to boast about YOUR attendances. And if we're talking comical what about 50ish to Coventry and spurs in the premier league? Aye, you played 61. BUT, you didn't have two Wembley finals to attend whereby you took just short of 60,000 fans in less than 12 week, did you? 32,000 to Old Trafford. Big wow. Hardly comparable. Can I just say, I hijack very few threads. If I see something worth replying to, I will - and more often than not, it's to correct your fellow fans. Again, it's down to point scoring. Not my game, pal. But, again, I can reason with you too, as you don't know what it's like to see the Premier League and fail to compete miserably due to some shoddy mismanagement. 50 odd fans to watch a team completely devoid of any confidence - all knowing we had years of struggle ahead due to our debt and inevitable administration - or, failing to sell out against your rivals 6 mile down the road on numerous occasions. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 18:47:35 GMT 1
Pulling figures from the air again? We had sold 24,000 days before the game, not to mention it was pay on the day. But what would I know. Said on SKY on the day you'd sold just over 22,000 officially. But what would they know...  Do a little research if you're so adamant. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 7:39:10 GMT 1
Ah yes, the old population chestnut. I have already been through this, and explained in great detail. Thou' shall not repeat ones self. good. you can f..k off now you have been proven wrong. Numbers don't lie future meal in my belly. jog on chicken. back to the coup. Cheerio, population debater of Huddersfield from Farsley. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 7:29:22 GMT 1
lets have a look at some figures. Bradford population 522,500 average away following 867 0.165% of population Huddersfield District 270,000 average away following 1,359 0.5% of population based on those true figures for away support this shows shittys support is only a third as strong as towns. Ah yes, the old population chestnut. I have already been through this, and explained in great detail. Thou' shall not repeat ones self. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 3:40:00 GMT 1
So having a very successful season is now an excuse for poor support? Or is it the expense? If it's the expense then it just back up my opinion that if you charged what we and most other clubs charge, you'd struggle to get 8000 gates. More creative work with figures by a Bradford fan. They sold 22k for Wembley trip no2. Pulling figures from the air again? We had sold 24,000 days before the game, not to mention it was pay on the day. But what would I know. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 21, 2014 3:26:28 GMT 1
Bit unfair that. Cup - Watford - 1,200 Wigan - 5,100 Arsenal - 19,500 Villa - 18,000 Villa (a) - 6,700 Cap Cup Final - 33,000 Play off (h) - 15,000 Play off (a) - 2,000 Play off final - 26,000 All contributed to a very expensive season - oh, and very small league allocations. Poor numbers in the past mirror the effort on the field - goes without saying really - Accrington Stanley for six straight seasons becomes a little tedious after a while. So having a very successful season is now an excuse for poor support? Or is it the expense? If it's the expense then it just back up my opinion that if you charged what we and most other clubs charge, you'd struggle to get 8000 gates. Hang about, you're getting ahead of yourself here. We're a relatively average sized L1 club with a average sized fanbase. Very much like yourselves. Last season was ridiculously expensive. You can attempt to pull the averages to bits at your peril, but I can sorta reason with you as you haven't the slightest clue what it's like to play 64 games in a season, have you? Games against Chesterfield and Cheltenham for example, where demand for tickets were obviously high - the allocations meant not everyone got a ticket. If we had taken thousands down, effectively bumping the average up, would that have helped my cause? - simply because we had took X amount to whoever gave us a feasible allocation? Aaaanyway...... 8,000? Give it a rest mate. How you lot can go on about away support given your pathetic followings at Valley Parade down the years is comical to say the least. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 19, 2014 3:31:04 GMT 1
Bit unfair that. Cup - Watford - 1,200 Wigan - 5,100 Arsenal - 19,500 Villa - 18,000 Villa (a) - 6,700 Cap Cup Final - 33,000 Play off (h) - 15,000 Play off (a) - 2,000 Play off final - 26,000 All contributed to a very expensive season - oh, and very small league allocations. Poor numbers in the past mirror the effort on the field - goes without saying really - Accrington Stanley for six straight seasons becomes a little tedious after a while. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 13, 2014 17:27:18 GMT 1
We don't have that problem. Yeah yours are shite away as well. Rumour has it, 'Take me home, Midland Road' can be heard on the outskirts of the town centre on match day - our away support, well, vocally and numerically, top notch. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 13, 2014 17:00:35 GMT 1
We don't have that problem. well, you have a bigger stadium than us.. More home fans in attendance too. Okay, point taken. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 13, 2014 16:53:20 GMT 1
no surprise seeing as the away atmospheres are usually really good and the home atmosphere is usually shite We don't have that problem. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 13, 2014 16:52:53 GMT 1
Bradford count all the people "who really want to be there but cant make it" as in the ground "in spirit" and they click the turnstiles for them.. Its not illegal as its widely used in elections in Bradford where upwards of 10 thousand "dead" people vote at each election because "its what they would have wanted"... In India this rises to almost 5 million dead people who have people who continue to vote for them as it "keeps their memory alive"... Continuing to claim benefits for people who may have passed on is also a way of "remembering them ". !!!!!! {yawn} |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Mar 1, 2014 10:26:19 GMT 1
When was the last time they actually bought a player though? They can thank us for the Wells money subsidizing their season ticket money for another year. The funny thing is they don't realise we are lightyears ahead of them and they still have to stick to the old 'attendance' cliche. That cup final of there's hasn't done much for em either has it? Selling their best player to those dog botherers down the road. Woof Woof. I am sure that I heard a quote from Mark Lawn stating that one of the reasons they sold Wells was to subsidise the season tickets for 2014/15 if that's the case they are going nowhere fast Do you honestly believe that? Lawn has NEVER and never will say anything remotely like that, because it isn't true. The scheme works wonders for our club and support - hence why we've kept them at a reasonable price for 8 seasons now. If it weren't financially beneficial, we wouldn't launch then so cheap, would we? Given the troublesome years we've had trying to make up the six weeks of madness in 2001, we are a club who're debt free. Not many clubs can say that. With the sale of club shop, the cup money and Wells transfer, the income received from that alone is £6.2m alone - that's without taking into consideration we've sold 23,000 ST's in the last two seasons Talk of money troubles and cash flow issues and the old 'it's only a matter of time' talk is long gone. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 19:28:50 GMT 1
Haha, alright pal. Town averaged 3,600 in 1979 - aren't facts great. where have I said Town get big crowds? Where have I said anyone cares apart from Bradford fans on the internet? just responding to the usual crap you lot post younger ones only - older City fans dont do go on about it because they remember: 1981 4 2858 1980 4 5774 1979 4 3924 1978 3 5103 1977 4 5630 1976 4 2916 1975 4 3191 1974 4 3797 1973 4 3498 1972 3 5042 the 70s werent great for you were they? Where did I say we get big crowds? Where did I say that I cared? Was there a post regarding Bradford City that was factually incorrect? Yes. Did I reply in the right manner and rightfully correct a users post? Yes. Is this a forum? Yes Am I 'Firthy'? No. Do I like cheese? Yes, but only when it's melted. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 17:51:12 GMT 1
I can factually state that City, like most clubs including Town, include all ST holders not in attendance in their gate figure. City also have the flexi scheme and they all get counted too whether they're there or not. I can factually state therefore that he figure they give out is ALWAYS more than the actual attendance and the suggestion it is less is laughable. I can factually state that its logical that the cheaper the tickets were to start with, the bigger the gap is between actual attendance and published 'gate' figure, as the incentive to attend is reduced. We had the same effect in our centenary season when STs were £100. A respected poster on here is friends with one of your ticket office staff and was told 2 or 3 years ago that the true gates were usually between 8500-9500, even though the published gate figure was always around the 11000 figure. Like I say- ask your CEO. You'll get a shock. You still haven't proved that I'm wrong - and for the third consecutive reply, you've completely missed the point. So, our total number or ST's and Flexis for this season is just over 13,100 - so tell me, of we include all ST holders and flexis on to the attendance whether they're there or not, why, WHY, have we had couple of 12,000+ attendances this season? What a redundant statement to make. I have already conceded the fact that we USED to include them - that was never in question, OR the point I was making. So, factually back up your point like I have, and I'll reconsider whether you're wrong or WRONG. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 14:47:42 GMT 1
Write to Lawn and ask him what the actual crowd figures are. You'll get a shock. Given your confidence, I was sort of hoping you would factually state them instead? Afterall, you have written to him already, haven't you? |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 14:41:02 GMT 1
Yes queeny, City actually give out a figure thats SMALLER than the number who were there! LOL £350 season tickets and we'll see if Im right. I will be. You don't know for a FACT just as much as I don't. But, what I do know is, I've been attending home games for many a year. I know what the stadium holds and I've seen crowds as low as 3,500 and high as 24,000. Never has the attendance looked suspiciously high for a couple of seasons, now. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 14:32:48 GMT 1
Haha, alright pal.
Town averaged 3,600 in 1979 - aren't facts great.
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 14:25:29 GMT 1
Just one of the games this campaign...but really, there's only about 6,000 there and if we put ticket prices up to £400, we'd probably only average 3,217 or summet - but sold 6,000 at £400 the last time we were in L1.   |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 14:23:12 GMT 1
Why, what's so poor about our sales. 10,500 ST holders and 2,500 Flexis? Our crowds are up by 4,000 currently. Crowds? No. Like a lot of City fans you think the figure they give out is how many are there. Theres a big difference between tickets sold ( the figure they give) and the actual attendance and as a rule of thumb, the cheaper the tickets the bigger the gap is, as its not a big deal to miss a game if you haven't paid much for it. If you suddenly almost doubled your prices to a more normal price and made it £350 for a standard season ticket (and £25 on the door), I think you'd be shocked at how low your attendances would drop. And AGAIN my point is completely bypassed. Pointlessly even trying to make debate when I'm repeating myself every other post. At times this season, there has looked be more in the ground than the official attendance given. Get your head round that one. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 13:17:48 GMT 1
Why, what's so poor about our sales. 10,500 ST holders and 2,500 Flexis? Our crowds are up by 4,000 currently. Think your sales a pretty good if you don't think about Bradford being the 8th biggest city in the uk, theres only one club, and yours are the cheapest ST prices by some way. If you charged a 'normal' rate i doubt your average figure would be more than 8000. We haven't averaged less than 8,300 for 18 years, so I think your prediction is wayward. Hudders fans look at our attendances in recent years and think cheap ST's. All well and good, but the support is still there - season after season. We haven't sold less than 10,000 ST's for 7 years - and look what we've been served up barring last season. If it's not cheap ST's that are the topic of convo, it's comparing what we used to average in L1 when we were both there. Except, you were on the up and we were on an unstoppable downward spiral. There's a massive difference. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 24, 2014 12:26:54 GMT 1
This is why st sales are vital - pay on the gate is virtually non existent now. If bradford can only shift what they have after a wembley finale and promotion season combined with dirt cheap prices, they might as well pack up. Why, what's so poor about our sales. 10,500 ST holders and 2,500 Flexis? Our crowds are up by 4,000 currently. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 23:08:04 GMT 1
source? Link? If you look at our attendances in the last couple of years, there's a massive difference on midweek games as opposed to Saturday fixtures. We had one as low as 8,000 last season - very low compared to previous years....I wonder why. The source was your chairman. The link WAS your official board that your club closed down. Last season city had something like ten REPORTED consecutive 12,000 crowds. And this season your REPORTED crowds are 13-14,000 The only time you give your true crowd figure, is cup games. Like the Northampton game where your attendance was 3,000something. But, the official messageboard has been closed for years? Like I keep saying, we haven't included ST holders in to the attendance whether they're there or not for a number of seasons. Last season we averaged just over 10,000 - bar the Rotherham game and playoffs, attendance were around 10,000ish. Infact, I don't think we had an attendance of 12,000 once. Just accept what I'm telling you is factually correct. Like most loyal fans, I know virtually everything there is to know about my club. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 21:00:34 GMT 1
I have already stated that we haven't done this for nearly three years. Coincidently when the flexi-cards were launched. But Mark Lawn says you do. So who is wrong, you or your chairman? source? Link? If you look at our attendances in the last couple of years, there's a massive difference on midweek games as opposed to Saturday fixtures. We had one as low as 8,000 last season - very low compared to previous years....I wonder why. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 20:41:26 GMT 1
Come the end of the season, in regards to HOME supporters on average, they'll be virtually nothing in it. In regards to away average, your only currently averting 150 more than us....yours is circa 1,500 and ours 1,350ish. The trouble is, city never declare how many supporters are really in the stadium. They add season card holders, flexi card holders, pay on the day fans, and away fans. Counting season ticket holders who are not at the game is stretching things, but counting flexi card holders who arnt there is numbers fiddling taken to professional level. I have already stated that we haven't done this for nearly three years. Coincidently when the flexi-cards were launched. Our attendances are spot on these days - and even when they weren't, there was NEVER around 6,000-7,000 in the ground like I've read from some reports on this forum. A couple of thousand out, if that. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 20:03:33 GMT 1
bradfords attendences are down to the price,now I don't care if they are higher or lower than ours but they have to be congratulated on their pricing structure,so what if it boosts them up?all clubs should take a leaf out of their book. It completely depends on where you want the club to go. If Bradford keep that pricing structure they won't be getting promotion anytime soon. Would you prefer to pay that bit extra in a higher division with a far better quality of player or pay less but have pretty much no ambition as a club to progress. I'd love for football to be cheaper but the way it is these days unless you have a very well off owner consistently cheap tickets is unrealistic. You'll find City fans will agree with you on this. We wanted a price increase for the last two seasons, and the club have just announced that prices are again the same for next season. The vast majority expected and were more than willing to pay at least £50 more. Projected sales are always around 10,000 - potentially losing out on circa £500,000. The club will have something up their sleeve - they always do. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 20:01:12 GMT 1
Fair point, but don't higher crowds appeal more to advertisers? Very much the same that Bradford add a couple of thousand onto their actual gate. It would be better to put an advertisement board in front of 12000 fans to 6000 fans. Can I just say, we haven't done this for three years or so now. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 20:00:31 GMT 1
However you compare it and sugarcoat it Town have better attendances for about 80% of our respective histories. Your fans (not you personally) have become obsessed with attendances. The fact is we're better supported. Nearly always have been. Historically speaking, there's about 1,000 difference in the all time average attendance table. From memory yours is around 13,000 and our 11,800 or something near. Yours obviously helped massively by regularly averaging 20,000-30,000 in the 50's. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Feb 23, 2014 19:56:48 GMT 1
It's all ifs and buts. You won't have a bigger home or away attendance average than us once again even in your promotion season and with cheap tickets. Bradford have never had better support than town. You always have been a smaller club in a bigger city. I'm pretty sure when we were both in that division a few years back you got crowds of 7,000/8000. We also got more than you when in league two while you were in league one. Let's forget the facts though this is Bradford City. There's no if' sand but's about it, everything I have stated thus far is true. The lowest we've averaged in recent years is 8,250 - which coincided with the clubs worst ever decade. 3 relegations and two admins in 6 years. Whilst you might've averaged 10,500 the last time you were in the bottom division, at least it was a promotion campaign, we had six seasons of dross and still managed 10,000+ - cheap tickets or not. The last time you were in that division, you averaged between 3,600-6,000...then averaging 8,700 in 1980 when promoted. Come the end of the season, in regards to HOME supporters on average, they'll be virtually nothing in it. In regards to away average, your only currently averting 150 more than us....yours is circa 1,500 and ours 1,350ish. |
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