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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:22:48 GMT 1
Three lucky goals, two of which arguably shouldn't have stood, a soft ref who let them get away with fouling Brown every time he got the ball, the amount of possession we had in good areas and you conclude the better team won? Makes no sense, yes they were solid but they should be, they're top of the league, the only reason we are praising their defensive performance is because they weren't allowed to pose a threat offensively because they couldn't get the ball. Next you'll be telling us rafa planned on getting the spawny goals and that was part of the game plan also, maybe they allowed Kachunga to win the pen also to make it more interesting and maybe they decided to try and get both their centre midfielders sent off to make it more entertaining. Take the lucky goals away and you have a different game all together, might have finished 0-0, we might have won as they may have been a bit more open or they may have but I'm sorry concluding they were the better team because we only scored one goal against them is bollocks. They're a very good team, as are town, they're also very lucky at the moment which is why they won yesterday. The ref played a big part also, that's a fact. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I keep hearing how this ref was soft on us, we committed 68% of the fouls yet received 83% of the cards. Maybe he wasn't as soft on Newcastle as you think, maybe it's just easy to blame the referee. Bookings are not only proportionate to fouls, it's the nature of those fouls, handballs etc. If you're not careful you'll start sounding like a Wed fan...
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 5, 2017 17:27:11 GMT 1
Newcastle are a good side with quality players for this division but I guarantee those tactics will see you relegated from the premier league again as better teams than us would pick you apart We're not playing in the Premiership and if we do go up we'll have a few different players so you can't guarantee anything. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. We played Hull away in the cup and we didn't play that way, we were the better team and lost on penalties at their ground. At this stage of the season the points are more important than the performances and we haven't played the way that we did against you when we've been playing other teams. Rafa adapted and came up with a winning formula, it seems that when Rafa does something it's a fluke but when your manager does something it's a good plan. What nonsense, if we'd have got a point out of the game Rafa would have been lambasted by your fans for adopting such tactics. Newcastle defended well & we weren't clinical enough, but the first 2 goals were very lucky indeed. Clear handball for the first & trod on the keeper for the second.. Tactical formula? Not having that, sorry. You were lucky to get away with a win imo. Good luck for the rest of the season though, Newcastle have a good team & will deserve the inevitable promotion 👍
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 17:31:37 GMT 1
How many times did he do that? He had three or four goes at back-heeling him and appeared to connect with two, perhaps. But, usually, one kick is enough eg Beckham v Argentina. Have I really imagined this? Anyway, while you maybe consider a reply, please add a goalkeeper to this list of bad boys that Newcastle have employed in the past, with any additions I may have missed: Tino Asprilla - What did Tino do while at Newcastle?Lee Bowyer - He was an awful person and should never have been brought to the club Jonathan Woodgate - He did nothing wrong while we had him, which wasn't very longDuncan Disorderly - Same as aboveDavid Batty - Good footballer and I can't remember him doing anything bad away from the game.Micky Quinn - Same as aboveNile Ranger - A complete arse.Craig Bellamy - A good footballer who I can't remember doing anything too bad until after he'd left us.Joey Barton - Another complete arse.Paul Gascoigne - One of the best footballers produced by this country and no problem until after he left us.Manager: Supermac (I know he didn't manage you, but he did manage us, although he has no recollection of it) - I'm not sure why you've even mentioned him.Chairman: Mr Ashley. - Awful personRather top heavy with attackers and just try getting past that midfield without one of Tino's machine guns. Leaving out your former youth player who got 40 years for leading the heroin ring was deliberate. I also have a list of Huddersfield Town bad boys from 1964 onwards: Facey, D So no repeated kicks to the head, I don't even remember one. As for the rest of your post, it's fairly meaningless and has no bearing on this season or any of my posts what so ever.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 5, 2017 17:35:46 GMT 1
Agree, I'm not really knocking him, but not having your exaggerated claim either. Getting you promoted with his resources won't necessarily make him the best manager in the division, let alone by miles. His (Rafa) CV suggests that he is the best, it's not just what he's doing now. Resources are no good in the wrong hands as can be seen in most leagues and it's a good thing that resources aren't the be all and end all or life in football would be boring. Wagner could go on to be better and win more in the game, at the minute he's a rookie manager who is doing a great job for you and I hope that you enjoy the ride. He's definitely got the best CV by a mile, i'll give you that, he's just not proved the exaggerated claim or you'd be even further in the lead. Anyway, semantics. Good luck, not that you probably need it now.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 17:37:39 GMT 1
Over the season Newcastle have been the best team. Their position at the top of the league shows that. And they will probably win the league. Fair enough.
Yesterday though they were defensively sound but terrible going forward. I cannot believe a team worth that amount of money could attack like a lower league team. Every ball was just pumped up the pitch. Take out a soft pen and two goalkeeping mistakes, one of which came when we were chasing the game and Newcastle don't score. Our pen was soft too. It should have been a 0-0 draw. Neither attack was effective but Newcastle got the luck. I still can't believe a team at the tip of the league played so negatively. Play that way every week and you won't win more than a couple of times. Obviously they can't play like that every week.
I suspect Newcastle won't have won many neutral fan's admiration with that sort of football.
Anyway, the game has gone. Newcastle can do what they want. We will continue to play good, exciting football and will hopefully go up alongside the Geordies, whether that be automatically or through the play offs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:38:10 GMT 1
Seems it's probably good that we've played each other twice now as this is starting to become a pissing contest.
There's no contest really, you're where everyone was tipping you, we're about 17 places above where the pundits expected us to be.
Even allowing for the fact you were on a no win deal with the press, as a raw measure of success I think we're a little ahead of you on that score.
Happy with our expectation levels...
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Post by araucaria on Mar 5, 2017 17:41:39 GMT 1
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 5, 2017 17:50:18 GMT 1
Tactics spot on? No, not having that. Darlow was well drilled & made some great saves but that's not a tactical bit of genius. That along with the softest penalty you'll ever see & 2 goalkeeping errors won them the game - not tactics.
Defensively they were good but if you've got a 2 goal lead then parking the bus against a dangerous attack is a pretty common strategy to employ.
Ref's fault? Again, not having that. Both penalties were soft - you'd struggle to find a ref in the country who would have given either of them (although after giving theirs I think he had no choice to give us a soft pen as well). Nowt wrong with their 2nd - Ward didn't have hold of it properly).
Newcastle had the rub of the green & their keeper did his job a lot better than ours.
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Post by midge on Mar 5, 2017 17:52:45 GMT 1
Let's turn this argument on its head!!
Imagine if we had come to your place earlier in the season and the same set of circumstances would have happened- the same stats for you in terms of possession, shots, corners etc!
You play some lovely football but have little cutting edge, we defend well but can hardly string 2 passes together?
The same 2 goal lead in the same circumstances and we park the bus leading to the same ultimate 3 1 outcome!
What reaction do you think we would get if we came onto your forums saying that our manager is some kind of tactical genius!?
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 5, 2017 17:56:27 GMT 1
Seems it's probably good that we've played each other twice now as this is starting to become a pissing contest. There's no contest really, you're where everyone was tipping you, we're about 17 places above where the pundits expected us to be. Even allowing for the fact you were on a no win deal with the press, as a raw measure of success I think we're a little ahead of you on that score. Happy with our expectation levels... It would be difficult for Newcastle to be even 1 place above where the pundits expected! But yes, it's starting to turn into a pissing contest & I can't see the point. Wagner's back on Tuesday, hopefully we can get back to winning ways & put pressure on Brighton or at least cement our playoff place.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Mar 5, 2017 17:59:34 GMT 1
Got to say I was very impressed with Huddersfield yesterday, we were on the back foot for pretty much the whole game and while you may have been restricted largely to long range efforts, it was a very nervy game (for me) and seemed to go on for ages due to the constant pressure. Obviously you'll kind of expect it away to the likes of City, Chelsea etc, but i can't remember a game, certainly in the second tier (in our 2 spells in my time) where we've hardly had the ball and had to soak up so much pressure and territorial advantage. I'll certainly be watching your 3 future Sky games as I've been very impressed with the last 4 Sky league games i've seen from you (i missed the Wigan defeat and can't really remember the earlier televised Sheff Wed game) and I do genuinely hope you seal promotion whether it is automatic of through the playoffs. As for Newcastle, not taking anything for granted just yet as it is feasible we could end up with 0, 1 or 2 points from these next 2 games and then 5 and 11 point leads can dwindle in no time, but at the same time, I would be very shocked and disappointed if we didn;t go up from this position and I think you'd probably have to win about 10 of your last 12 to have a chance. Still not bothered about the title despite the 5 point gap as there's not much more advantage finishing 1st or 2nd, we basically need to go up and i don;t mind how it happens. Still not at a stage of hoping you win because of the points mentioned above but there are still some huge games coming up. Leeds play Brighton before the international break which i'm sure we will both have a firm eye on. April will be a huge month with about 7 games for most, we obviously have strength in depth after our well documented spending, and you do too as your cup run proved and players like Quanner, Payne, Billing, Lolley can all come in and not be of detriment to team, plus Palmer to come back for competition with Brown - and i'm not sure Brighton have the same strength, plus it looked like they picked up a couple of injuries yesterday. I think the 3 of us have shown we are clearly the best in this league and it would be a shame if all 3 didn't come up. We will all go up, i think we are best equiped out of the 3 for the playoffs. no expectations, no pressure & and a strong 2nd string(not just quality, squad togetherness)
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 18:01:03 GMT 1
Stop whinging,you got beat of a team better not just on the day but all season,top goal scorers ,least goals conceded ,most wins ,you have potentially a good team and a good manager, but that's all it is?. Rafa is the best manager outside the premier league and got his tactics spot on,you might have had the majority of possession but that was balls played across your own box and halfway line?.you will be found out very quickly when your up against good sides like yesterday and when you play villa, don't be so naive to suggest Huddersfield are the best team in the league after yesterday's performance?,we've had our top goal scorer missing for nearly 2 months and still have won games, we are we're we are because of rafas tactics and the players performing week after week,and let's not forget we played brighton away on Tuesday when your reserves were playing city so if we tired it was acceptable what's your excuse?. You're still a set off hoof it merchants. Good luck in the Premier playing like that. They're going to change that when they get there, apparently... just like that!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 5, 2017 18:03:12 GMT 1
Let's turn this argument on its head!! Imagine if we had come to your place earlier in the season and the same set of circumstances would have happened- the same stats for you in terms of possession, shots, corners etc! You play some lovely football but have little cutting edge, we defend well but can hardly string 2 passes together? The same 2 goal lead in the same circumstances and we park the bus leading to the same ultimate 3 1 outcome! What reaction do you think we would get if we came onto your forums saying that our manager is some kind of tactical genius!? To be honest after yesterday I'd have loved it to have been the other way, is playing like Newcastle did and winning 3-1 bearing down on Brighton.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2017 18:09:31 GMT 1
Like I said we played Brighton on Tuesday when your players were sitting in the house drinking tea?, we then beat Brighton and then Huddersfield,according to everyone we were lucky?, define lucky?, did you miss loads of chances? NO did your players perform like they did against Brighton?NO why?, because we've got one of the best managers in world football. As for spending millions ?, that's what very big clubs do,one of the best fan bases in Europe and the stadium up with the best in the premier league?, yes we've been relegated twice in the last 8years but this is because of mismanagement and shite players who didn't give a damn, we now have players who are proud to wear the shirt and see the toon as there only team not a stepping stone for so called bigger things?. Yes we have spent millions but we sold 15 players with a balance of 30 million in the bank and signed 13 players and stand 5 points clear in the championship,all of this is down to 1 man take a bow Rafa. Your first two goals were very lucky but you (Rafa) did a good job on us after that. One thing that surprised me in what Rafa said afterwards was that the fans would be pleased with the effort the team put in, sort of implying that you usually aren't! So a chink of hope for the us for the rest of the season 😀
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 5, 2017 18:10:03 GMT 1
Let's turn this argument on its head!! Imagine if we had come to your place earlier in the season and the same set of circumstances would have happened- the same stats for you in terms of possession, shots, corners etc! You play some lovely football but have little cutting edge, we defend well but can hardly string 2 passes together? The same 2 goal lead in the same circumstances and we park the bus leading to the same ultimate 3 1 outcome! What reaction do you think we would get if we came onto your forums saying that our manager is some kind of tactical genius!? To be honest after yesterday I'd have loved it to have been the other way, is playing like Newcastle did and winning 3-1 bearing down on Brighton. We all obviously would, that's not the point.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 18:11:54 GMT 1
Let's turn this argument on its head!! Imagine if we had come to your place earlier in the season and the same set of circumstances would have happened- the same stats for you in terms of possession, shots, corners etc! You play some lovely football but have little cutting edge, we defend well but can hardly string 2 passes together? The same 2 goal lead in the same circumstances and we park the bus leading to the same ultimate 3 1 outcome! What reaction do you think we would get if we came onto your forums saying that our manager is some kind of tactical genius!? Turning it on its head, I'd be gutted to have played so well and come out of it with nothing to show, I would probably agree with the tactical genius comments, even if I can't remember using that term.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 18:14:56 GMT 1
You're still a set off hoof it merchants. Good luck in the Premier playing like that. They're going to change that when they get there, apparently... just like that! We don't do it every game, we don't need to change something that is ingrained.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 18:18:20 GMT 1
Like I said we played Brighton on Tuesday when your players were sitting in the house drinking tea?, we then beat Brighton and then Huddersfield,according to everyone we were lucky?, define lucky?, did you miss loads of chances? NO did your players perform like they did against Brighton?NO why?, because we've got one of the best managers in world football. As for spending millions ?, that's what very big clubs do,one of the best fan bases in Europe and the stadium up with the best in the premier league?, yes we've been relegated twice in the last 8years but this is because of mismanagement and shite players who didn't give a damn, we now have players who are proud to wear the shirt and see the toon as there only team not a stepping stone for so called bigger things?. Yes we have spent millions but we sold 15 players with a balance of 30 million in the bank and signed 13 players and stand 5 points clear in the championship,all of this is down to 1 man take a bow Rafa. Your first two goals were very lucky but you (Rafa) did a good job on us after that. One thing that surprised me in what Rafa said afterwards was that the fans would be pleased with the effort the team put in, sort of implying that you usually aren't! So a chink of hope for the us for the rest of the season 😀 Rafa says that after virtually every game. My worry is that we'll play teams that some expect us to do well against and we'll not put the effort in. My only hope is that it's so late in the season that the players realise they'll have to fight for every point and do so.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Mar 5, 2017 18:20:08 GMT 1
Whilst I disagree with the title of this thread I do feel that despite the 2 poor refereeing decisions we have contributed to our own downfall. Prior to the handball and the penalty decision the ball should have hit Row Z from the clearance and would have avoided the resulting decisions.
Similarly, with the 2nd goal, I'm still baffled as to why the GK didn't just collect with 2 hands. Seemed easier to do so. Not that he needed to but avoids any doubt
Both simple decisions would have avoided all of this controversy and the likelihood the farcical 3rd goal would not have happened.
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 5, 2017 18:23:12 GMT 1
No we didn't hit you on the break with slick passing football but I do think that it was a tactical victory by Rafa, he's a top manager, the best in the league by miles. Best manager? Don't you mean biggest budget. If you're looking for the best manager tag, look no further than Wagner. Performing minor miracles on a tiny budget compared to most in the division. Playing Devil's Advocate here, but I get the points the geordies are making. I agree that Wagner is probably the best manager in the EFL right now - at least barring a spectacular collapse from us or something spectacular happening elsewhere he should be a shoe-in for manager of the season for this division. Rafa Benitez has the burden of expectation to deal with, whereas Wagner does not. Wagner has had other burdens to contend with though (having to manage in a league he has no experience of either as a player or coach, with one of the smallest budgets in the league & having replaced somebody that was finishing pretty much where our resources said we would). That doesn't mean Rafa isn't doing a great job though, and if he hadn't consistently been a great coach then he wouldn't have been employed at so many top European clubs. Wagner on the other hand is having a great season, but there are other managers who have had great starts to their careers too. Remember Bryan Robson when he first started out at Middlesbrough? Remember Paul Ince before he went to Blackburn? Owen Coyle at Burnley? I fully expect that Wagner will have a great managerial career. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get a succession of top jobs in the EPL, Bundesliga...etc. But I do get the claim that Rafa Benitez is a better manager than Wagner, simply because he's proven himself over a long period of time.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2017 18:26:03 GMT 1
Your first two goals were very lucky but you (Rafa) did a good job on us after that. One thing that surprised me in what Rafa said afterwards was that the fans would be pleased with the effort the team put in, sort of implying that you usually aren't! So a chink of hope for the us for the rest of the season 😀 Rafa says that after virtually every game. My worry is that we'll play teams that some expect us to do well against and we'll not put the effort in. My only hope is that it's so late in the season that the players realise they'll have to fight for every point and do so. At this time of the season I always think in general you are better off playing the good teams 😉
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 5, 2017 18:27:19 GMT 1
I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later. Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. Since when did contact equal a foul? You do realise it's a contact sport right? Video ref gives it...absolute tosh. Books Ritchie for diving more like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:19:53 GMT 1
Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. Since when did contact equal a foul? You do realise it's a contact sport right? Video ref gives it...absolute tosh. Books Ritchie for diving more like. Tele pundits have a lot to answer for in these 'modern times'. 'There was contact' 'He had every right to go down there' No he didn't!
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Post by blackley on Mar 5, 2017 19:30:16 GMT 1
Newcastle's defence is solid. Lascelles, Clark and Dummett are excellent. They're beating most teams on their travels. That provided them with a strong platform.
However, the major difference is the constant threat that they can knock it long and direct at any time. The killer moment of the match, the thing that made the difference on the day, was the brilliant pass from Shelvey for Murphy's goal. Take that away and it's a completely different story.
Before the match Mick Buxton was dismissive of "formations", saying football is a vary simple game. He was bemoaning backwards and sideways football, advocating a direct style using width, getting the ball heading towards the penalty spot and getting players in there on the end of it. I heard some people muttering that he's a dinosaur. Not in my book.
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Post by impact on Mar 5, 2017 19:49:24 GMT 1
Newcastle's defence is solid. Lascelles, Clark and Dummett are excellent. They're beating most teams on their travels. That provided them with a strong platform. However, the major difference is the constant threat that they can knock it long and direct at any time. The killer moment of the match, the thing that made the difference on the day, was the brilliant pass from Shelvey for Murphy's goal. Take that away and it's a completely different story. Before the match Mick Buxton was dismissive of "formations", saying football is a vary simple game. He was bemoaning backwards and sideways football, advocating a direct style using width, getting the ball heading towards the penalty spot and getting players in there on the end of it. I heard some people muttering that he's a dinosaur. Not in my book. Hardly a brilliant pass from Shelvey, it was a poor mistake from Hefele who didn't move.
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 5, 2017 19:53:28 GMT 1
Let's turn this argument on its head!! Imagine if we had come to your place earlier in the season and the same set of circumstances would have happened- the same stats for you in terms of possession, shots, corners etc! You play some lovely football but have little cutting edge, we defend well but can hardly string 2 passes together? The same 2 goal lead in the same circumstances and we park the bus leading to the same ultimate 3 1 outcome! What reaction do you think we would get if we came onto your forums saying that our manager is some kind of tactical genius!? Or..... Tactics = Park the bus & stop them playing. Check. Get an early lead. Check* Lots of niggly kicks on their creative outlet (Brown) to restrict their impact. Check. Timewasting/gamesmanship. Check. * I know, their lead did not come from a cleverly crafted goal or a sublime bit of skill but should they wait until they get one of those or just take the slice of luck when it comes? Besides, some would argue that throwing yourself to the floor in the box is a clever way to get a goal. It often works after all! Gamesmanship will often play a large role in the tactics that managers employ. You might not like it & I don't either, but it's a tactic nonetheless. On luck - strange how that goes, really. Newcastle have had large slices of luck in their last 2 games. Large slices of luck that have defined the game. Large slices of luck that have defined the game in a couple of 6 pointers. Take luck out of the equation in those 2 games & all of a sudden Newcastle & Brighton are level on 72 points with us 6 points behind both with a game in hand. Reverse the luck so that it goes the other way & all of a sudden Newcastle are 3rd. Instead, the title is theirs to lose.
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Post by impact on Mar 5, 2017 19:55:54 GMT 1
What is confusing me is these Newcastle fans are saying it's fine because things have gone against them in games against "Forest and others". Anyone any idea who these others are? Even after the Forest game they got red cards rescinded that clubs such as us would have had no hope of getting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:59:40 GMT 1
Whilst I disagree with the title of this thread I do feel that despite the 2 poor refereeing decisions we have contributed to our own downfall. Prior to the handball and the penalty decision the ball should have hit Row Z from the clearance and would have avoided the resulting decisions. Similarly, with the 2nd goal, I'm still baffled as to why the GK didn't just collect with 2 hands. Seemed easier to do so. Not that he needed to but avoids any doubt Both simple decisions would have avoided all of this controversy and the likelihood the farcical 3rd goal would not have happened. The deflections before the penalty were ridiculously unlucky and 99 times out of 100 that clearance from Wells would have cleared half way. It summed up our luck on the day unfortunately
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Post by shawsie on Mar 5, 2017 20:07:56 GMT 1
The game has gone now.....time to get ready for Tuesday. We played well but lacked a final ball they defended well and got a bit lucky!!! No excuses or recriminations now - let's fill the stadium again on tues night and put more pressure on those around and above us by picking up 3 pts.
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Post by mickydombat on Mar 5, 2017 20:37:32 GMT 1
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