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Post by mickydombat on Mar 5, 2017 20:43:37 GMT 1
We can debate this all day /night /weeks/ months but Newcastle don't give a monkeys. However, why they are so smug at winning f all since 1969 is the real question. Massive losers on the grand scale of things they think they belong in, so pipe down Geordies and enjoy your continued failures and your empty cabinets of non glory. Oh,unless you want to include the Intertoto cup in 2006 which is off the Richter scale it's so underwhelming. We, will continue to revel in our season and your good fortune on Saturday is but a minor transgression.
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 20:48:34 GMT 1
I so don't want to sound bitter and you've been one of the best opposition fans, but 'best in the league by miles'...... Seriously, what a load of bullshit. He's going into a war with men equipped with machine guns against men using muskets. Makes his job a little bit easier. You can look at a lot of teams who don't perform as well as they should, Rafa has us doing an efficient job and he's doing what he was brought in to do, get us promotion. Was he not brought in to keep you up? Benitez has had a good career, granted, but I'd take Wagner every time.
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 20:50:20 GMT 1
How are Norwich and Villa doing? No idea what he would do with your squad other than that I think he would do a good job for you and he would make the most of what he had. I didn't admit that we didn't play counter attacking football, I've maintained that we did. What I said was that we didn't do it with slick passing football. What is counterattacking football then in your eyes? Hoofing it long? Wow- genius tactics Rafa!! You said he got his tactics right.. yet you don't seem to know what they were- other than relying on mistakes and hanging on. You were outplayed, got the lucky breaks and defended manfully. Nowt wrong with that, but please stop trying to pretend that was down to some genuis by your manager. Its horseshit. Do you really think hed do as good a job at town as Wagners done? seriously?!! Youve been a good poster but you're showing a lack of honesty and humility now in my opinion Lack of humility? It's Garry bloody Monk isn't it!
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 20:54:16 GMT 1
Newcastle are a good side with quality players for this division but I guarantee those tactics will see you relegated from the premier league again as better teams than us would pick you apart We're not playing in the Premiership and if we do go up we'll have a few different players so you can't guarantee anything. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. We played Hull away in the cup and we didn't play that way, we were the better team and lost on penalties at their ground. At this stage of the season the points are more important than the performances and we haven't played the way that we did against you when we've been playing other teams. Rafa adapted and came up with a winning formula, it seems that when Rafa does something it's a fluke but when your manager does something it's a good plan. Rafa adapted and came up with a winning formula? There is no way his magic winning formula included being played off the pitch all game. This was not a tactical bloody master class. You held on. Just. Granted, you got the 3 points, but the better team/tactics on the day lost. The key decisions went your way, not 50/50s, just blatantly wrong decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:59:24 GMT 1
You can look at a lot of teams who don't perform as well as they should, Rafa has us doing an efficient job and he's doing what he was brought in to do, get us promotion. Was he not brought in to keep you up? Benitez has had a good career, granted, but I'd take Wagner every time. Benitez went from Real Madrid to Newcastle not the other way round. Id suggest hes peaked and could be past his best
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 21:01:14 GMT 1
We're not playing in the Premiership and if we do go up we'll have a few different players so you can't guarantee anything. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. We played Hull away in the cup and we didn't play that way, we were the better team and lost on penalties at their ground. At this stage of the season the points are more important than the performances and we haven't played the way that we did against you when we've been playing other teams. Rafa adapted and came up with a winning formula, it seems that when Rafa does something it's a fluke but when your manager does something it's a good plan. I love the way it doesn't even occur to you that how a game goes is not entirely down to newcastle and how they and your manager choose to have it go. That a game might have gone a certain way outside of your control. Its a wonder other managers haven't adapted rafas formula of getting mistakes to go in their team favour. seriously, can you just not fuck off now? Your fake humility has got tiresome. You should just accept you are wrong. Just because Newcastle haven't played this way against any other team, it was clear that Rafa set them up to make us look like Barcelona again. He wanted to lull us in to a false sense of security by giving us the ball for 75% of the game, and having the most over the top, blatant, timewasting I've ever seen. I also have it on good authority that Rafa had put on his tactics board, before the game: 1) win penalty by diving, 2) score goal when free kick should be given, 3) tire them out by giving them all the ball/shots, 4) waste as much time as possible. If Rafa was lucky enough to have our squad he'd already have won the division. These are the facts.
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 21:02:55 GMT 1
What is counterattacking football then in your eyes? Hoofing it long? Wow- genius tactics Rafa!! You said he got his tactics right.. yet you don't seem to know what they were- other than relying on mistakes and hanging on. You were outplayed, got the lucky breaks and defended manfully. Nowt wrong with that, but please stop trying to pretend that was down to some genuis by your manager. Its horseshit. Do you really think hed do as good a job at town as Wagners done? seriously?!! Youve been a good poster but you're showing a lack of honesty and humility now in my opinion Counter attacking football is when you defend on mass and hit the opposition on the break which we did. How you attack is irrelevant, it could be a series of slick passes or it could be hoofing it long with a ball over the top. No way did he say to the players "just hoof it", the players take his instructions and they have to carry them out the way they see fit at that time. I haven't said at any time that you didn't play well yesterday, you did play well. I haven't said at any time that you don't have a good manager, you have a good manager. What Rafa would do is something I can't comment on in detail as it's hypothetical, I think it's safe to say that he would do the best job that he could do and he would get the most out of games for you the way he has for us. I don't know how that would work, I would guess that you wouldn't be as free flowing going forward and tougher to beat at the back, at a guess. Counter attack is when you set up to soak up pressure and hit on the break. You had no choice but to defend, as you couldn't get the ball off us. This was not a tactical choice. Twatting it forward and time wasting is not counter attacking, it's desperation.
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Post by aksaiblue on Mar 5, 2017 21:12:33 GMT 1
Judging by some of the love-in posts and threads on here this won't go down particularly well but for me there's no doubt that the best team won yesterday. Essentially Newcastle were far better able to defend against us than we were in our ability to break them down. I would go as far as saying that that was the best (defensive) performance I've seen at the John Smith's, especially under the circumstances of two promotional rivals going head to head. Don't get me wrong I was immensely proud of our team last night and in many ways I'd rather play like we did and fail than play like Newcastle did and succeed but let's not be fooled that the best team lost. That's a pretty blinkered view. The stats look favourable for us and we were easy on the eye but from 10 minutes on Newcastle allowed us to have the ball and restrict us to long range efforts. We constantly kept coming up against a brick wall (Shelvy, Colback & Diame) and that's before we even got a look at breaching their back four, even for our penalty Kachunga was going nowhere. Their game management was superb and we all know that stats and possession don't necessarily win games. Mourinho won Premier League titles from a similar defensive base and it looks like Newcastle will win our league. I don't like it but fair play to them. Our own performance was not dissimilar to Barnsley last week where we definitley were the better team but also didn't win. Barnsley looked shakey at the back, we got round them several times and bar a few blocks, good saves, poor finishing and a dose of bad luck we deserved to win. Last night Newcastle were superb defensively, allowed us to play in front of them and fully deserved the victory. Of course, they were helped by an early goal which was a penalty but it shouldn't have got to that stage because of the Shelvy handball. A ref has cost us there not for the first time but shit happens. Wells clipped him no doubt but what infuriates me most is that we didn't get a similar one against Wigan. If we'd have taken a 10 minute lead, and/or gone two up after half an hour, do you think we'd have seen it out as comfortably as Newcastle did? So, well done Newcastle. Very well played. Good luck next season in the Prem and I hope we get chance to avenge this defeat then by gunning down Brighton or going up via the Play-Offs. I think we will because we are a very good team despite not being the best one last night. Good post - but the way I see it, Newcastle were given 2 goals by the officials, Town were playing catch up, had we gone in 0 0 at half time, dominating the game as we did, I think we would have nicked it, despite Newcastle defending well.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 21:25:41 GMT 1
Was he not brought in to keep you up? Benitez has had a good career, granted, but I'd take Wagner every time. Benitez went from Real Madrid to Newcastle not the other way round. Id suggest hes peaked and could be past his best And Real got rid because they didn't like the shit football he plays.
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 5, 2017 23:29:54 GMT 1
Some of this is getting embarrassing.
Yes, Newcastle employed a fair bit of gamesmanship. Gamesmanship is not desperation, it's a common tactic used to frustrate the opposition. I don't like it, it's against the spirit of the game imo but until the authorities clamp down on it, it's a valid tactic.
Rafa past his best? Maybe (not definitely), but his best got him the jobs at Real, Inter etc al in the first place and it's not that long ago that he was there.
Some of this makes us look very churlish.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2017 23:33:45 GMT 1
Some of this is getting embarrassing. Yes, Newcastle employed a fair bit of gamesmanship. Gamesmanship is not desperation, it's a common tactic used to frustrate the opposition. I don't like it, it's against the spirit of the game imo but until the authorities clamp down on it, it's a valid tactic. Rafa past his best? Maybe (not definitely), but his best got him the jobs at Real, Inter etc al in the first place and it's not that long ago that he was there. Some of this makes us look very churlish. I think he is past his best, he's certainly not going to command another top four job like he did five years ago. However, he's still clearly a fantastic manager and deserves credit for not immediately bailing out on Newcastle at the end of last season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:54:52 GMT 1
Whats bloody annoying about time wasting tactics is they become fully justified when the idiots in charge do not add any of the time on at the end. There should have been about 10 minutes added on yesterday. As long as this continues then players will push it as far as they can. An early booking for the keeper or whoever would soon put a stop to these antics. But most of these refs are shit scared of big club managers and just see being friends with top players and managers secures their future. They're not too bothered about being friends with players they have never heard of.
I dont want video technology, I can live with genuine mistakes, I just want refs to be made to justify some of their game changing calls, and some kind admittance when they have clearly made dreadful decisions.
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Post by griffa on Mar 6, 2017 0:49:13 GMT 1
Whats bloody annoying about time wasting tactics is they become fully justified when the idiots in charge do not add any of the time on at the end. There should have been about 10 minutes added on yesterday. As long as this continues then players will push it as far as they can. An early booking for the keeper or whoever would soon put a stop to these antics. But most of these refs are shit scared of big club managers and just see being friends with top players and managers secures their future. They're not too bothered about being friends with players they have never heard of. I dont want video technology, I can live with genuine mistakes, I just want refs to be made to justify some of their game changing calls, and some kind admittance when they have clearly made dreadful decisions. Dream on, video technology will arrive in the Championship, next season. Professional Football, is too fast for most ref's to keep up, how can referee's in their 40's, keep up players in their 20's, it's impossible. Video Technology will support the referee & therefore improve our game, highlighting where teams are cheating, what's not to like. It's inevitable that further video technology will, be used in Professional Football, ie for offside decisions & penalties. Many sports have embraced video technology, such as Tennis, Cricket, Super League & Rugby Union, wake up football, it's 2017, not 1917 - UTT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 1:00:19 GMT 1
Top post. Sooner the better. Too much at stake now. TV is making officials look like scout leaders.
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Post by paullow1 on Mar 6, 2017 1:05:30 GMT 1
We can debate this all day /night /weeks/ months but Newcastle don't give a monkeys. However, why they are so smug at winning f all since 1969 is the real question. Massive losers on the grand scale of things they think they belong in, so pipe down Geordies and enjoy your continued failures and your empty cabinets of non glory. Oh,unless you want to include the Intertoto cup in 2006 which is off the Richter scale it's so underwhelming. We, will continue to revel in our season and your good fortune on Saturday is but a minor transgression. You don't seem to big a fan mate?
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Post by htfctx on Mar 6, 2017 1:06:19 GMT 1
The better team won, just like up at st James park. Time for the character of the dressing room to solidify, in backs to the wall unity. Live as a terrier, die as a terrier! UTT
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Post by griffa on Mar 6, 2017 1:24:23 GMT 1
The better team won, just like up at st James park. Time for the character of the dressing room to solidify, in backs to the wall unity. Live as a terrier, die as a terrier! UTT You are entirely entitled to express your opinion, however that was not the game that I watched, time wasting, dodgy referee & lino decisions, that was the game I watched. I hate losing, but if & when we are beaten by a better team, that's fair do's, that wasn't the case yesterday - UTT.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 6, 2017 1:26:18 GMT 1
What is counterattacking football then in your eyes? Hoofing it long? Wow- genius tactics Rafa!! You said he got his tactics right.. yet you don't seem to know what they were- other than relying on mistakes and hanging on. You were outplayed, got the lucky breaks and defended manfully. Nowt wrong with that, but please stop trying to pretend that was down to some genuis by your manager. Its horseshit. Do you really think hed do as good a job at town as Wagners done? seriously?!! Youve been a good poster but you're showing a lack of honesty and humility now in my opinion Lack of humility? It's Garry bloody Monk isn't it! Gary Monk tried to make out his team were the better side aswell. He was talking shit too. This guys been camped out on here for days and whilst he pretending to be straight and honest, its turned out hes just the usual billy big bollocks we usually get. He just writes better than most. "benitez's tactics worked"-- what a crock of shit. The tactics of being gifted goals by mistakes whilst hanging on. Of playing on the counter by hoofing it away down field. The prick can't even see the reason they couldn't do anything else was because of how WE played. "Benitez is the best manager in this division by miles" another crock of shit. How many of us would swap Wagner for benitez? Fucking none! And why, because benitez wouldn;'t do anywhere near as well here as wagner is.. because he doesn't have tens of millions to splash around on a massive squad on prem wages. theres a few managers in this division who are doing better jobs at their clubs than benitez would manage. About time he bored off. Hes like their version of acetripper, spouting shite on other clubs boards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 7:51:48 GMT 1
Some of this is getting embarrassing. Yes, Newcastle employed a fair bit of gamesmanship. Gamesmanship is not desperation, it's a common tactic used to frustrate the opposition. I don't like it, it's against the spirit of the game imo but until the authorities clamp down on it, it's a valid tactic. Rafa past his best? Maybe (not definitely), but his best got him the jobs at Real, Inter etc al in the first place and it's not that long ago that he was there. Some of this makes us look very churlish. I dont think going from Real Madrid to Newcastle was a step up or progression in Rafas career and i doubt if anyone can convince me it was do you think he thinks hes at the top of his game scuffing around in the championship parking the bus at our place and working with superstars like shelvey and colback? Credit where credit is due, he got three points. This was not one of those magical european nights with silverware at stake. Hes put on a bit of weight too, let himself go a little, hes no spring chicken
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 7:56:33 GMT 1
Lack of humility? It's Garry bloody Monk isn't it! Gary Monk tried to make out his team were the better side aswell. He was talking shit too. This guys been camped out on here for days and whilst he pretending to be straight and honest, its turned out hes just the usual billy big bollocks we usually get. He just writes better than most. "benitez's tactics worked"-- what a crock of shit. The tactics of being gifted goals by mistakes whilst hanging on. Of playing on the counter by hoofing it away down field. The prick can't even see the reason they couldn't do anything else was because of how WE played. "Benitez is the best manager in this division by miles" another crock of shit. How many of us would swap Wagner for benitez? Fucking none!And why, because benitez wouldn;'t do anywhere near as well here as wagner is.. because he doesn't have tens of millions to splash around on a massive squad on prem wages. theres a few managers in this division who are doing better jobs at their clubs than benitez would manage. About time he bored off. Hes like their version of acetripper, spouting shite on other clubs boards. They loved him at Chelsea dont think i can remember any manager being hated quite so much thoughout his time at a club
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Post by leez on Mar 6, 2017 8:01:07 GMT 1
i quite like your manager ..maybe he could be ours sometime if he keeps the good work up ..
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 6, 2017 8:09:08 GMT 1
Some of this is getting embarrassing. Yes, Newcastle employed a fair bit of gamesmanship. Gamesmanship is not desperation, it's a common tactic used to frustrate the opposition. I don't like it, it's against the spirit of the game imo but until the authorities clamp down on it, it's a valid tactic. Rafa past his best? Maybe (not definitely), but his best got him the jobs at Real, Inter etc al in the first place and it's not that long ago that he was there. Some of this makes us look very churlish. I dont think going from Real Madrid to Newcastle was a step up or progression in Rafas career and i doubt if anyone can convince me it was do you think he thinks hes at the top of his game scuffing around in the championship parking the bus at our place and working with superstars like shelvey and colback? Credit where credit is due, he got three points. This was not one of those magical european nights with silverware at stake. Hes put on a bit of weight too, let himself go a little, hes no spring chicken Real to Newcastle isn't a step up and I doubt that even the most blinkered Geordie would claim otherwise. What I'm saying is that it's not that long ago that Real felt he was the man to bring them success. How many managers at this level have an equivalent CV?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 8:17:40 GMT 1
I dont think going from Real Madrid to Newcastle was a step up or progression in Rafas career and i doubt if anyone can convince me it was do you think he thinks hes at the top of his game scuffing around in the championship parking the bus at our place and working with superstars like shelvey and colback? Credit where credit is due, he got three points. This was not one of those magical european nights with silverware at stake. Hes put on a bit of weight too, let himself go a little, hes no spring chicken Real to Newcastle isn't a step up and I doubt that even the most blinkered Geordie would claim otherwise. What I'm saying is that it's not that long ago that Real felt he was the man to bring them success. How many managers at this level have an equivalent CV? Indeed, he has a good CV but a CV is only part of it - when you look beyond the CV there is other information as stated above by several observers unless you are the legendary Newcastle united recruitment team
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Post by jimmymac on Mar 6, 2017 8:18:38 GMT 1
Judging by some of the love-in posts and threads on here this won't go down particularly well but for me there's no doubt that the best team won yesterday. Essentially Newcastle were far better able to defend against us than we were in our ability to break them down. I would go as far as saying that that was the best (defensive) performance I've seen at the John Smith's, especially under the circumstances of two promotional rivals going head to head. Don't get me wrong I was immensely proud of our team last night and in many ways I'd rather play like we did and fail than play like Newcastle did and succeed but let's not be fooled that the best team lost. That's a pretty blinkered view. The stats look favourable for us and we were easy on the eye but from 10 minutes on Newcastle allowed us to have the ball and restrict us to long range efforts. We constantly kept coming up against a brick wall (Shelvy, Colback & Diame) and that's before we even got a look at breaching their back four, even for our penalty Kachunga was going nowhere. Their game management was superb and we all know that stats and possession don't necessarily win games. Mourinho won Premier League titles from a similar defensive base and it looks like Newcastle will win our league. I don't like it but fair play to them. Our own performance was not dissimilar to Barnsley last week where we definitley were the better team but also didn't win. Barnsley looked shakey at the back, we got round them several times and bar a few blocks, good saves, poor finishing and a dose of bad luck we deserved to win. Last night Newcastle were superb defensively, allowed us to play in front of them and fully deserved the victory. Of course, they were helped by an early goal which was a penalty but it shouldn't have got to that stage because of the Shelvy handball. A ref has cost us there not for the first time but shit happens. Wells clipped him no doubt but what infuriates me most is that we didn't get a similar one against Wigan. If we'd have taken a 10 minute lead, and/or gone two up after half an hour, do you think we'd have seen it out as comfortably as Newcastle did? So, well done Newcastle. Very well played. Good luck next season in the Prem and I hope we get chance to avenge this defeat then by gunning down Brighton or going up via the Play-Offs. I think we will because we are a very good team despite not being the best one last night. eh....what game was you watching? We murdered them.... Got robbed by the ref... out played them.... You name it we did it.... No pen... 2nd goal off side and a foul... Ref cost us that game... We were miles better than them.... UTT
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 6, 2017 8:20:08 GMT 1
Better team lost fact. Ex premier league big clubs get all the decisions. Town outplayed them most of game. That's what makes the game so interesting.
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Post by jimmymac on Mar 6, 2017 8:28:06 GMT 1
Better team lost fact. Ex premier league big clubs get all the decisions. Town outplayed them most of game. That's what makes the game so interesting. last 3 games the ref as been very very poor towards us... Barnsley Man city away... And on Saturday.... ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL DECISIONS!!!! words can't describe the feelings I have regarding the officials... We have played against 12 men in the last 3 games this includes the ref.... Under them circumstances the team the squad have done very very well... Whatever happens at the end of the season I will never forget this one... 10/10 from me each and everyone of our squad....UNBELIEVABLE FOOTBALL AND CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!UTT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 8:30:40 GMT 1
Better team lost fact. Ex premier league big clubs get all the decisions. Town outplayed them most of game. That's what makes the game so interesting. last 3 games the ref as been very very poor towards us... Barnsley Man city away... And on Saturday.... ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL DECISIONS!!!! words can't describe the feelings I have regarding the officials... We have played against 12 men in the last 3 games this includes the ref.... Under them circumstances the team the squad have done very very well... after Saturday I kinda agree. Mind you not even a dodgy referee can be to blame when your keeper has a mare.
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Post by jimmymac on Mar 6, 2017 8:37:35 GMT 1
last 3 games the ref as been very very poor towards us... Barnsley Man city away... And on Saturday.... ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL DECISIONS!!!! words can't describe the feelings I have regarding the officials... We have played against 12 men in the last 3 games this includes the ref.... Under them circumstances the team the squad have done very very well... after Saturday I kinda agree. Mind you not even a dodgy referee can be to blame when your keeper has a mare. I will not knock anyone of our squad....not this one anyway.... The last 42 years yes lol... Each and everyone of them have gave me so much entertainment it's unreal.... Hope I see this again next season... Like I say what ever happens it's been great.... Waited 42 years to actually see us play like this.... Never ever seen this before NEVER! UTT
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 6, 2017 8:40:48 GMT 1
Better team lost fact. Ex premier league big clubs get all the decisions. Town outplayed them most of game. That's what makes the game so interesting. I must say Nick big clubs do get decisions, same with Man City or that's how it appears.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 6, 2017 8:43:09 GMT 1
Better team lost fact. Ex premier league big clubs get all the decisions. Town outplayed them most of game. That's what makes the game so interesting. I must say Nick big clubs do get decisions, same with Man City or that's how it appears. Be interesting on Tuesday, another ex Prem so called big boy, just won 3 in a row first time in season. Let's hope the ref is good.
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