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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 13:05:10 GMT 1
Nobody would sack him, all we want is for him to pull his head out of his arse and recognise what has happened to our side, then sort it. I'm not saying they would,I'm merely saying I couldn't not for what hes done. But if we went winless until the end of the season and went down, winless say 6 or 7 games in.... Then someone has to. All ifs and buts,but statistics at Town show that loyalty only goes so far. Pereoanlly I think we will beat Liverpool and the board will start creaming again Are you serious? After what you responded to my earlier post in this actual thread? (page 29!). Make your mind up!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 13:07:53 GMT 1
Did you actually read what was written? "That said, no way does Wagner deserve to be removed. Not a chance. What we've achieved on the back of his philosophy has been phenomenal. He didn't leave to go to Wolfsburg as he wanted to finish the job and I believe it's only fair to support him now until the end of the season. Regardless what happens, I doubt we'll have DW next season anyway." Just because I suggest we may have a better chance for the rest of this season with change, it does not mean I want DW to go. Not everything is black and white. F*cking Idiots are those who respond out of context without reading a post thoroughly. But you think certain posters are correct that a change in manager gives us a better chance staying up. Does it fuckers. Get these lot to give a name that would do the job A realistic one. Wagner is here if we are 5 adrift, I couldn't care less. Sean Dyche, look at him with Burnley, relegated,knew what to do should they bounce back and voilà they're playing unreal football. The clowns you think are correct are most certainly not. Upsetting the applecart of german players,not to mention new purchases brought in. Absolute horse shit (for reference).
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 13:10:18 GMT 1
I'm not saying they would,I'm merely saying I couldn't not for what hes done. But if we went winless until the end of the season and went down, winless say 6 or 7 games in.... Then someone has to. All ifs and buts,but statistics at Town show that loyalty only goes so far. Pereoanlly I think we will beat Liverpool and the board will start creaming again Are you serious? After what you responded to my earlier post in this actual thread? (page 29!). Make your mind up! Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroad
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 13:12:57 GMT 1
But you think certain posters are correct that a change in manager gives us a better chance staying up. Does it fuckers. Get these lot to give a name that would do the job A realistic one. Wagner is here if we are 5 adrift, I couldn't care less. Sean Dyche, look at him with Burnley, relegated,knew what to do should they bounce back and voilà they're playing unreal football. The clowns you think are correct are most certainly not. Upsetting the applecart of german players,not to mention new purchases brought in. Absolute horse shit (for reference). Dyche started out life in the Championship well, kept the same squad etc and won. If we go down and lost our first 6 games say,then it needs reevaluating. He won't though,it was all hypothetical.
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Post by wtd on Jan 21, 2018 13:31:13 GMT 1
Hi Graham. I have no interest in antagonising you, but it has to be said you took the same stance and asked the same questions of Wagner in our promotion season when things got sticky and tough. You were proved wrong then. You’ve every right on such a forum as this to ask questions of the team, club, manager... but MAYBE it’s also us, the fans, who need to ask questions of ourselves at such times, too. If we begin to carp and moan and doubt en masse, doesn’t that, even in a tiny way, begin to undermine the manager and his players at a time when they are desperately seeking and wanting the utmost unity and support? I feel the guy has done enough (in little over two years at the club!) for us to afford him more respect than to be questioning his position after his first REALLY difficult patch in what is notoriously the hardest league in the world to survive in, especially when you are the poorest member of the group. If you think what is said on here and in the stands doesn’t eventually drip down through to the players and management, then I think you are wrong. You may, of course, NOT think that... in which case, why should we be putting the manager’s position up for discussion at all in what is such a difficult time for him? It really doesn’t help him or the club one bit. I'm a bit baffled by that final para....are we to believe that our players/management are only aware of how crap they are performing when fans draw it to their attention? The Premier League is "notoriously the hardest league in the world to survive" if you are a manager.....they fall like flies when they don't deliver. The manager's position being questioned is just par for the course amongst numerous sets of fans....it's nothing unique to us. And why shouldn't fans complain? Many pay for the privilege of watching their team, irrespective of whether the latter produce good performances/results, or crap. And the players/management trouser their wages, irrespective of whether....etc, etc. Complaining, or staying away, is about all the average fan has to offer in response to that crap. I’m sure the manager and players are fully aware of ‘how crap they are performing’ without the need for us to draw it to their attention. Maybe support rather than vilification is what they need at this time. Getting your act together is a little easier when you feel fully supported than when you feel attacked and berated. However, I’ve already stated that this is the place for people to have their say about all sorts of matters. My beef was entirely with calling in to question, at this stage, this particular manager’s position. I think that is knee-jerk and a step too far. I think that shows a lack of respect and support for his remarkable achievements thus far.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 21, 2018 13:40:18 GMT 1
Trying to work out whether you actually want a change of manager or not. Your first paragraph indicates that you do. And the second sort of that you don't. Your third paragraph goes on to suggest there are teams about who provide examples of it being a good thing to get rid of a manager - the fourth attempts to underline that suggestion. Your fifth suggests that when viewed in all impartiality, we are on an unstoppable slide, and know it to boot. On the face of it, there's not much working out to do. Sounds to me like you want to wheelbarrow our David back to Germany. Wagner deserves the season, and would have done had we gotten zero points. What he achieved last year was amazing. Loyalty isn’t common in football but DW showed some last season and we should do now. My positivity or negativity of how I think we will go in the last few games is irreevent to whether I want DW to stay or not. I do. I hope he proves me and the other doubters wrong and that we do indeed stay up. It is certainly going to be close. If this year was a standalone season and DW had only joined in August, then it would be very different. I understand, though again I don’t agree we should, the view of people wanting change to give us a chance to stay up. Maybe because I feel as though we look pretty doomed and have done for a while (aside from the Watford game). Players look lost of confidence and IMO it is getting worse, not better. Not many teams beat such a slide down the EPL table without change. Regardless of how this season goes I do think he’ll leave this summer. He’ll be in demand and how much further can he take us? I’m not for one second saying we’d make the call, I’m saying I think he’ll walk no matter which way it goes. Relegation to me isn’t the end of the world, and DW has done so much that he should be given every opportunity to see out the job and succeed. To others, survival is the most important thing and legitimate questions over DW’s ability to keep us up are apparent. Oh, alright - you hope that he'll stay, but can understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. I hope he stays, but can't understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. At the end of the day, it'll probably be between DH and DW (and various other unknown factors) as to how he goes. But you're probably right in that a wheelbarrow ultimately won't be needed (mainly owing to what he's done for us), plus I'm sure we all would want a ceremonious ending when the time for him to go actually comes - BUT (if you don't mind me going off on a tangent, slightly) until that time, we have to stand behind him and accept that he'll be trying his damnedest to keep us up. And we, as fans, have to play a part in lifting morale now. Next week, I'm trying to make Birmingham my first game this season, so the last thing I want to see is a big cloud of gloom descending on the JSS. Chin up, Town - keep on fighting!
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Post by canuckterrier on Jan 21, 2018 13:42:30 GMT 1
Quick question for you: Why was Kongolo brought in if he isn’t deemed better than either Malone at full-back or Zanka at centre-back? We have been saying exactly the same. I dread to think what his wages are and surely this expensive 'slot' could have been used for another Player / Position with an eye on them regularly starting?. On the feed I was watching it was mentioned that DW thought his fitness wasn't yet up to speed due to the French holiday break and lack of playing time.
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Post by E4b on Jan 21, 2018 13:53:04 GMT 1
Agree with this but at least Malone puts a shift in unlike many others. Contrary to my last post offering full support to DW I have to say Malone is so far out of his depth it’s untrue I think he hides his first touch is poor not good in the air and probably our worst investment of all the players we have brought in Definitely the scapegoat, the rest of the team are world beaters aren’t they?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 21, 2018 15:03:06 GMT 1
Worked well for Brighton today. Are we Brighton! Am I on the wrong fans forum! Incidentally Brighton were playing Chelsea! Not bloody Stoke! Grass is always greener on the other side with these system changes. All we need to do is get back to what we were and I'm sure that's what DW will be working on. We are not losing games because of systems or individuals imho.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 21, 2018 15:09:24 GMT 1
Wow, i did not believe i would see so many Wagner "out" shouts...that really is a step too far. We are our own worst enemy. Depoitre clearly needs to play. Lets go two up front. Lets be positive and go 3-5-2...you can still press and we are under the cosh so much anyway that countering will happen as a matter of consequence. 2nd half Stoke just came alive, they were energetic, busy...thats all. They have Allen, Mouting, Shakira and Kouma...the rest..including Shawcross are shite. I genuinely believe we are as good as them. VLP and Mooy have gone AWOL, Mounie too. Something is amiss behind the scenes. It was awful today but rivals lost and we still have time. At least they dropped the back-passes and Lossl kicked long and immediately....a start!! I like this post. I agree we need to go positive. 3-5-2 is the way forward. We don't have the players to play 4-2-3-1 as this leaves our midfield overrun. It might not be coincedence mooys game has dropped off lately as teams are becoming aware of our tactics and overload the middle of the park. we have 2 strikers, so lets use em. Pick a side to get us all back on the same side. If it ain't good enough then at least lets give it a go. At the moment we're just going through the motions like boro did. Never understand this idea that 4-2-3-1 leaves our midfield overrun. We have 3 in midfield same as most teams. We overran most midfields last season with 4-2-3-1. 3-5-2 is different but I can see little point in playing Mounie and Depoitre upfront together. We will just cut down their already meagre supply.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 15:12:41 GMT 1
Are you serious? After what you responded to my earlier post in this actual thread? (page 29!). Make your mind up! Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroadLike a large proportion of the people who post on here? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at there.
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 15:14:19 GMT 1
Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroadLike a large proportion of the people who post on here? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at there. Like a large proportion of the board would prefer me being abroad? FlappyCrapper you're the last person to say that you absolute spanner
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 15:17:34 GMT 1
Like a large proportion of the people who post on here? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at there. Like a large proportion of the board would prefer me being abroad? FlappyCrapper you're the last person to say that you absolute spanner are you on about? You make no sense. Why do you wish you were still abroad? Do you have no Internet there, do you think DATM is only available in the UK? You don't need to be in the UK to see a barrage of knee jerk reactions on DATM you know? Half the admin team are in the US aren't they? Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroad
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 15:19:21 GMT 1
Like a large proportion of the board would prefer me being abroad? FlappyCrapper you're the last person to say that you absolute spanner are you on about? You make no sense. Why do you wish you were still abroad? Do you have no Internet there, do you think DATM is only available in the UK? You don't need to be in the UK to see a barrage of knee jerk reactions on DATM you know? Half the admin team are in the US aren't they? Flappy I've been in the middle east for the last 8 months working in Close Protection and also training an Army who oppose IS. Forgive me if I haven't had time for DATM
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 15:24:31 GMT 1
are you on about? You make no sense. Why do you wish you were still abroad? Do you have no Internet there, do you think DATM is only available in the UK? You don't need to be in the UK to see a barrage of knee jerk reactions on DATM you know? Half the admin team are in the US aren't they? Flappy I've been in the middle east for the last 8 months working in Close Protection and also training an Army who oppose IS. Forgive me if I haven't had time for DATM Where abouts in Kent are you?
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 21, 2018 15:24:46 GMT 1
We have been saying exactly the same. I dread to think what his wages are and surely this expensive 'slot' could have been used for another Player / Position with an eye on them regularly starting?. On the feed I was watching it was mentioned that DW thought his fitness wasn't yet up to speed due to the French holiday break and lack of playing time. Makes sense, thanks for explanation.
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 15:27:22 GMT 1
Flappy I've been in the middle east for the last 8 months working in Close Protection and also training an Army who oppose IS. Forgive me if I haven't had time for DATM Where abouts in Kent are you? Based at Chatham, currently on leave to see family. Any other questions here?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 15:30:13 GMT 1
Where abouts in Kent are you? Based at Chatham, currently on leave to see family. Any other questions here? Yes, Why have you started following me? Oh, I see, you're trying to pick a fight by PM. Yawn....Grow up Rambo.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 21, 2018 15:35:38 GMT 1
DW should definitely be given the chance to sort out his own mess, that's for sure. But I do have a feeling that if we're in the bottom 3 with 5 games left he might see the door...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 15:35:47 GMT 1
Jackanory Jackanory !!! Wankers🔵⚪️🔵⚪️ UTT
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 21, 2018 15:36:50 GMT 1
DW should definitely be given the chance to sort out his own mess, that's for sure. But I do have a feeling that if we're in the bottom 3 with 5 games left he might see the door... Waggers ?
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 15:36:50 GMT 1
Based at Chatham, currently on leave to see family. Any other questions here? Yes, Why have you started following me? I went to message you and accidentally clicked follow. I've gone to message you as Ive asked you to make a point, you try to belittle folk and I asked in message but seemingly you're still trying to look hard. I've given valid reasons to answer your questions but you being wrong and not even accepting my responses put "Why are you following me" as you've simply fuck all left to say. The only things you contribute are Islam, Islam, Islam, moan about Town, Trump, Islam, Islam, Moan about town. You're just trying to be a little bellsniff to look good online. Like I said in the personal message,doesn't wash with me, you're a bit of a bully and a cock at best. If you see it as threatening,then report me, may get me a ban. But if you've something to get clever over, I'm all ears
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Post by griffa on Jan 21, 2018 15:43:24 GMT 1
Wagner deserves the season, and would have done had we gotten zero points. What he achieved last year was amazing. Loyalty isn’t common in football but DW showed some last season and we should do now. My positivity or negativity of how I think we will go in the last few games is irreevent to whether I want DW to stay or not. I do. I hope he proves me and the other doubters wrong and that we do indeed stay up. It is certainly going to be close. If this year was a standalone season and DW had only joined in August, then it would be very different. I understand, though again I don’t agree we should, the view of people wanting change to give us a chance to stay up. Maybe because I feel as though we look pretty doomed and have done for a while (aside from the Watford game). Players look lost of confidence and IMO it is getting worse, not better. Not many teams beat such a slide down the EPL table without change. Regardless of how this season goes I do think he’ll leave this summer. He’ll be in demand and how much further can he take us? I’m not for one second saying we’d make the call, I’m saying I think he’ll walk no matter which way it goes. Relegation to me isn’t the end of the world, and DW has done so much that he should be given every opportunity to see out the job and succeed. To others, survival is the most important thing and legitimate questions over DW’s ability to keep us up are apparent. Oh, alright - you hope that he'll stay, but can understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. I hope he stays, but can't understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. At the end of the day, it'll probably be between DH and DW (and various other unknown factors) as to how he goes. But you're probably right in that a wheelbarrow ultimately won't be needed (mainly owing to what he's done for us), plus I'm sure we all would want a ceremonious ending when the time for him to go actually comes - BUT (if you don't mind me going off on a tangent, slightly) until that time, we have to stand behind him and accept that he'll be trying his damnedest to keep us up. And we, as fans, have to play a part in lifting morale now. Next week, I'm trying to make Birmingham my first game this season, so the last thing I want to see is a big cloud of gloom descending on the JSS. Chin up, Town - keep on fighting! You're too late stuttgartjoe, a cloud of gloom, has been with us for weeks, following poor recent performances & results, whats with the wheelbarrow stuff! - UTT.
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Post by wtd on Jan 21, 2018 17:19:46 GMT 1
DW should definitely be given the chance to sort out his own mess, that's for sure. But I do have a feeling that if we're in the bottom 3 with 5 games left he might see the door... Why? What would be the point of that?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 21, 2018 17:23:04 GMT 1
DW should definitely be given the chance to sort out his own mess, that's for sure. But I do have a feeling that if we're in the bottom 3 with 5 games left he might see the door... Why? What would be the point of that? A desperate last attempt to stay in the league. Like I say, I don't want him to go, but I have a feeling if we keep losing then the pressure will really build on DW and I don't think he'd be safe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 17:26:32 GMT 1
Why? What would be the point of that? A desperate last attempt to stay in the league. Like I say, I don't want him to go, but I have a feeling if we keep losing then the pressure will really build on DW and I don't think he'd be safe. I can't see it happening. I'm sure DH announced, that he told DW his job was safe even if we went straight back down .
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 21, 2018 17:28:58 GMT 1
Oh, alright - you hope that he'll stay, but can understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. I hope he stays, but can't understand people getting their wheelbarrows out. At the end of the day, it'll probably be between DH and DW (and various other unknown factors) as to how he goes. But you're probably right in that a wheelbarrow ultimately won't be needed (mainly owing to what he's done for us), plus I'm sure we all would want a ceremonious ending when the time for him to go actually comes - BUT (if you don't mind me going off on a tangent, slightly) until that time, we have to stand behind him and accept that he'll be trying his damnedest to keep us up. And we, as fans, have to play a part in lifting morale now. Next week, I'm trying to make Birmingham my first game this season, so the last thing I want to see is a big cloud of gloom descending on the JSS. Chin up, Town - keep on fighting! You're too late stuttgartjoe, a cloud of gloom, has been with us for weeks, following poor recent performances & results, whats with the wheelbarrow stuff! - UTT. Well, January is a dull month at the best of times, but I hope the gloom is lifted after the Brum game. I used wheelbarrows in this case as a euphemism for people showing DW the door unceremoniously (i.e. a crude vehicle for removing him from the Huddersfield Town landscape), unceremonious because he doesn't deserve to be after all he's done for us. UTT
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Post by capitalterrier on Jan 21, 2018 17:33:27 GMT 1
Are you serious? After what you responded to my earlier post in this actual thread? (page 29!). Make your mind up! Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroad Why would being abroad change who you were interacting with on an internet forum?
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 21, 2018 18:34:43 GMT 1
Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroad Why would being abroad change who you were interacting with on an internet forum? Because I wouldn't be doing it, just like the last 8 months, I wouldn't be on here. Have you skipped my replies above?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 18:40:50 GMT 1
Read it you big cockwomble. Should we go winless and go down and then winless next season in the Championship after 6/7 games. Not this season. Fuck sake massive knobs occupy this board this season. Wish I'd still be bloody abroad Why would being abroad change who you were interacting with on an internet forum? Oo, don’t ask that or he’ll follow you and start offering you out via PM, then you’ll have to block him.
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