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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2019 10:06:31 GMT 1
be nice to see Pep take on a different kind of managerial 'challenge'... my opinion is due to money spent and wages, if Liverpool win the league then Pep has failed as badly as any of the 3 managers that go down. if its clear to the 'experts' that relegated managers have failed and someone else 'needs' to come in and freshen it up with new ideas etc, then Pep should be sacked and another bloke brought in to spend the national debt of Mexico on players and wages a true 'genius' with no financial limits has to win the league and by some distance, every year? it's the difference between the haves and the have nots. Pep gets to be like a kid in a sweet shop. Any player he wants he could have. Money is no object. Clubs like ours have no chance of competing on a level playing field until the arabs get bored of it all. if you never manage a have not or at least a team that has a budget, you are never a great manager... you might be a very good coach but the days of 'great managers' has gone at the top of the money(game)...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 10:11:55 GMT 1
Fergie would finish you in less than 30 secs. Pep would laugh out of sympathy Ever noticed how none of these guys ever worked their way up from non-league? Wondered why? Really? East Stirling..St Mirren,.. Aberdeen... Man Utd. What is that if its isn;t working your way up from a low level?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 10:22:32 GMT 1
On yesterday my main concern was that we would be humiliated, so was relieved rather than disappointed with a 0-3. It would have been easy for our players to show up with their chins on their chest.. relegation a near certainty, 8 defeats in 9, the manager just gone, the owner absent... but they didn;t. They gave it their all and put a great shift in. Obviously we aren;t good enough but at least the attitude can't be faulted ( with maybe the exception of Mbenza who will go out of his way to not risk being hurt IMO )
As usual the bad luck ( a deflected goal and offside goal ) outweighed the good luck ( the pen they should have had ) and i thought not starting Mounie was an error in hindsight, as hed have had a fiel;d day aerially against their centre backs- even Diakhaby was beating them at times!
And Johnny Hogg- what a great performance. Was just everywhere. His distance covered and tackling stats in that game must have been off the scale. Our best player by a country mile yesterday.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 21, 2019 10:40:34 GMT 1
Mounie had 2 decent chances in the time he came on and missed both so I think 'field day' might be slightly optimistic ;-) Diakhaby had an excellent chance, just needed to get some contact on the ball with his head and somehow managed to miss it completely. I'm sure Mounie will be back in place as starter for the next game but I'm not expecting him to somehow become prolific under a new manager. I'm more concerned what his goal tally is going to be in Championship. Hopefully Depoitre will be moved on in the summer and we will get someone in who is head and shoulders better than both him and Mounie.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 10:48:14 GMT 1
Field day, as in winning all his aerial duels, not taking his chances! Think he won pretty much every header he went for after he came on. Citys 2 CBs looked weak in the air so not starting with our best player at winning headers was a mistake IMO.
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Post by Town Duppy on Jan 21, 2019 10:48:19 GMT 1
Sorry everyone I tried my best but the task was too monumental yesterday, stick with me............….Diakhaby and Mbenza is on the rise!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 10:53:42 GMT 1
OK, seeing as you've taken this on another ego trip... Thick skinned describes someone who has to have the ability to fend off criticism, it's not a measure of handling stress. Stress tends to come from inside and when that situation is portrayed outwardly (& publicly as football mgmt is) it will be pounced on by those critics. Being thick skinned is only a hairs breadth from dogma as well... Richard Branson, you mean that bloke born with a silver spoon who somehow has managed to become some sort of sound bites guru? See his sage advice on LinkedIn all the time. Easy to give all that reach for the stars shit when putting food on the table is never going to be in the back of your mind. I can't dispute the one about surrounding yourself with good people, him and a few other of the landed gentry class would be nowt without them. Not saying people shouldn't aspire either, just there has to be context with your personal circumstances & Branson is about as close to 99% of the population as I am to your greatness... The rest of your post(s) are just the usual boastful arrogance. I know this is only a football forum but I can't believe how, for such a learned & travelled man who cites some amazing stories, that you haven't considered writing your memoirs? You'll have to arrange for some signed copies to be auctioned on here... You might earn ten bob for the YAA... Anyway, apologies for interrupting you... Why on Earth could i not manage a football club? Why is it always ex-footballers? One of the reasons it goes wrong so often is BECAUSE they set on ex-players. Arrigo Sacchi said "i did not know that to be a jockey you have to be a horse first". Bill Nicholson was the Spurs physio. He became manager, they scored TEN v Everton in his first game and he went on to win the double. Houllier, Parreira, Sacchi, Villas-Boas, Mourinho, Rodgers, Roux, Bill Struth...all amazingly successful managers who never played professionally. Didn't say you couldn't. Sounds like you've a lot of other stuff to do before you attempt it though. Anyway, NASA have been on and said they need you to go back to Florida as you've parked the space shuttle in the wrong hangar...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 11:01:07 GMT 1
On yesterday my main concern was that we would be humiliated, so was relieved rather than disappointed with a 0-3. It would have been easy for our players to show up with their chins on their chest.. relegation a near certainty, 8 defeats in 9, the manager just gone, the owner absent... but they didn;t. They gave it their all and put a great shift in. Obviously we aren;t good enough but at least the attitude can't be faulted ( with maybe the exception of Mbenza who will go out of his way to not risk being hurt IMO ) As usual the bad luck ( a deflected goal and offside goal ) outweighed the good luck ( the pen they should have had ) and i thought not starting Mounie was an error in hindsight, as hed have had a fiel;d day aerially against their centre backs- even Diakhaby was beating them at times! And Johnny Hogg- what a great performance. Was just everywhere. His distance covered and tackling stats in that game must have been off the scale. Our best player by a country mile yesterday. We were 10pts behind Sat evening, still ten pts behind today which is as expected, but with one game less. It's a challenge of monumental proportions but I'm sure they'll keep going until the point it's a foregone conclusion. But until then... Agree with the Mounie thing, but also found it quite ironic that the one time Diakhaby could have paid dividends for us was that long ball in the 2nd half that was being chased by a man with less pace. The game was gone by then, but in the first half we gave them a few things to think about and unsettle them, even if some of that was aided by some complacency on their part.
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Post by sudbury on Jan 21, 2019 11:23:45 GMT 1
I was disappointed with our 'closing down'. I think Wagner would have played as he did against Liverpool. Basically, it was just a pathetic effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:26:57 GMT 1
OK, seeing as you've taken this on another ego trip... Thick skinned describes someone who has to have the ability to fend off criticism, it's not a measure of handling stress. Stress tends to come from inside and when that situation is portrayed outwardly (& publicly as football mgmt is) it will be pounced on by those critics. Being thick skinned is only a hairs breadth from dogma as well... Richard Branson, you mean that bloke born with a silver spoon who somehow has managed to become some sort of sound bites guru? See his sage advice on LinkedIn all the time. Easy to give all that reach for the stars shit when putting food on the table is never going to be in the back of your mind. I can't dispute the one about surrounding yourself with good people, him and a few other of the landed gentry class would be nowt without them. Not saying people shouldn't aspire either, just there has to be context with your personal circumstances & Branson is about as close to 99% of the population as I am to your greatness... The rest of your post(s) are just the usual boastful arrogance. I know this is only a football forum but I can't believe how, for such a learned & travelled man who cites some amazing stories, that you haven't considered writing your memoirs? You'll have to arrange for some signed copies to be auctioned on here... You might earn ten bob for the YAA... Anyway, apologies for interrupting you... Why on Earth could i not manage a football club? Why is it always ex-footballers? One of the reasons it goes wrong so often is BECAUSE they set on ex-players. Arrigo Sacchi said "i did not know that to be a jockey you have to be a horse first". Bill Nicholson was the Spurs physio. He became manager, they scored TEN v Everton in his first game and he went on to win the double. Houllier, Parreira, Sacchi, Villas-Boas, Mourinho, Rodgers, Roux, Bill Struth...all amazingly successful managers who never played professionally. Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly became first team coach, then becomes manager in 1958. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 11:32:35 GMT 1
Why on Earth could i not manage a football club? Why is it always ex-footballers? One of the reasons it goes wrong so often is BECAUSE they set on ex-players. Arrigo Sacchi said "i did not know that to be a jockey you have to be a horse first". Bill Nicholson was the Spurs physio. He became manager, they scored TEN v Everton in his first game and he went on to win the double. Houllier, Parreira, Sacchi, Villas-Boas, Mourinho, Rodgers, Roux, Bill Struth...all amazingly successful managers who never played professionally. Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly becomes manager in 1955. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki. hang on a minute! Are you trying to make out Oti is talking rubbish about football?
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Post by faffa on Jan 21, 2019 11:43:37 GMT 1
Not relevant I know but a quick look at our subs bench from yesterday and it would be acceptable. However the 11 that played were about the same, give or take. Our squad just isn’t good enough but it’s something to aim for
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 21, 2019 11:55:06 GMT 1
[/quote]Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly becomes manager in 1955. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki.[/quote] Coddington, I'm a little disappointed with you, fancy quoting facts to prove a point. I thought you were better than that.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 12:09:29 GMT 1
Bill Nicholson was just a physio who hadn't been a player and Alex Ferguson went straight into a top management job. I love Oti's football knowledge!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 21, 2019 12:40:39 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 12:53:57 GMT 1
if hackett is trying to say that back in his day, that offside would have always been spotted, he is deluded. It was offside, but would have been a hell of a spot by the lino to flag with any certainty.
the pen was pretty blatant though to be fair.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 13:00:52 GMT 1
if hackett is trying to say that back in his day, that offside would have always been spotted, he is deluded. It was offside, but would have been a hell of a spot by the lino to flag with any certainty. the pen was pretty blatant though to be fair. The passage of play was so quick that the linesman might be forgiven for not spotting Sane off, but Sterling must have been 'not active' for about one second... Can't argue with the pen. Not relevant, but karma for the one last season if nothing else... I couldn't understand why their lad was allowed to blatantly block our lad in the penalty area in the first half either, didn't go for the ball, just a ploy to free the space for the lad who had the header. I suppose if you employ these tactics in such large volumes in your games, you're bound to have one or two fall in your favour.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 21, 2019 13:09:34 GMT 1
Bill Nicholson was just a physio who hadn't been a player and Alex Ferguson went straight into a top management job. I love Oti's football knowledge! Couldn't swear to it but I seem to remember Fergie got sacked by East Stirling who are about as bad as you can get in Scottish football. It's up there with you 4 lads from Liverpool are never going to make it in the music business.
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Post by 4 pts on Jan 21, 2019 13:17:35 GMT 1
Fergie would finish you in less than 30 secs. Pep would laugh out of sympathy be nice to see Pep take on a different kind of managerial 'challenge'... my opinion is due to money spent and wages, if Liverpool win the league then Pep has failed as badly as any of the 3 managers that go down. if its clear to the 'experts' that relegated managers have failed and someone else 'needs' to come in and freshen it up with new ideas etc, then Pep should be sacked and another bloke brought in to spend the national debt of Mexico on players and wages a true 'genius' with no financial limits has to win the league and by some distance, every year? You make it all sound very simple Galpharm. Guardiola is up against Klopp. Both have spent roughly the same over the last 3 seasons. Flip that on its head and place Allardyce and Moyes in charge of those two sides and you would have a completely different outcome. Fernandinho aged 33 would still be passing the ball backwards, Salah would maybe get into double figures for the season, Sterling wouldn't and Ederson would be launching balls up to Aguero. Neither would be top of the table and Pochettino would be winning his first trophy at a canter. If Guardiola took on a different challenge, lets say us for example, after one year Billing wouldn't just be potential. Money makes life easier but it doesn't grant you the ability to coach
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Post by space hardware on Jan 21, 2019 13:20:15 GMT 1
if hackett is trying to say that back in his day, that offside would have always been spotted, he is deluded. It was offside, but would have been a hell of a spot by the lino to flag with any certainty. the pen was pretty blatant though to be fair. The passage of play was so quick that the linesman might be forgiven for not spotting Sane off, but Sterling must have been 'not active' for about one second... Can't argue with the pen. Not relevant, but karma for the one last season if nothing else... I couldn't understand why their lad was allowed to blatantly block our lad in the penalty area in the first half either, didn't go for the ball, just a ploy to free the space for the lad who had the header. I suppose if you employ these tactics in such large volumes in your games, you're bound to have one or two fall in your favour. City are absolute masters of those kind of shithouse tactics. The fouls in midfield that stop a counter attack before it can properly start are a particular speciality. On that front I was surprised to see Fernandinho booked before he'd committed his usual half dozen unpunished fouls, so fair play to the ref on that score.
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Post by trailingleg on Jan 21, 2019 13:24:36 GMT 1
if hackett is trying to say that back in his day, that offside would have always been spotted, he is deluded. It was offside, but would have been a hell of a spot by the lino to flag with any certainty. the pen was pretty blatant though to be fair. They seemed to spot Pritchard's 'offside' goal against Liverpool and Kachunga's against Leicester easily enough though! agree that the penalty was nailed on. It was obvious from miles away. Interesting that the Sky pundits laboured the penalty decision point ad infinitum, but scarcely mentioned the offside goal.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 21, 2019 13:35:14 GMT 1
City are absolute masters of those kind of shithouse tactics. The fouls in midfield that stop a counter attack before it can properly start are a particular speciality. On that front I was surprised to see Fernandinho booked before he'd committed his usual half dozen unpunished fouls, so fair play to the ref on that score. One thing the Mourinho got spot on was when he called out De Bruyne for it; in fairness they did it far more is last season's gave than this.
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Post by drumriggend on Jan 21, 2019 13:39:05 GMT 1
Just thinking about the financial difference between us and city.. They have 20 or more 30million pound or more players . All on at least 100k a week Then Peps huge salary That's at least a billion pounds investment. How the hell can we ever compete with that?
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Post by space hardware on Jan 21, 2019 13:40:22 GMT 1
City are absolute masters of those kind of shithouse tactics. The fouls in midfield that stop a counter attack before it can properly start are a particular speciality. On that front I was surprised to see Fernandinho booked before he'd committed his usual half dozen unpunished fouls, so fair play to the ref on that score. One thing the Mourinho got spot on was when he called out De Bruyne for it; in fairness they did it far more is last season's gave than this. Yeah, they were incredibly cynical throughout that whole game last season. They were noticeably less aggressive yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:48:55 GMT 1
Just thinking about the financial difference between us and city.. They have 20 or more 30million pound or more players . All on at least 100k a week Then Peps huge salary That's at least a billion pounds investment. How the hell can we ever compete with that? We can't and didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:51:08 GMT 1
Bill Nicholson was just a physio who hadn't been a player and Alex Ferguson went straight into a top management job. I love Oti's football knowledge! Yeah but you would fill yer pants if you met him.. apparently
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:58:23 GMT 1
The ref didnt give the sterling penalty incident which many now think was a clear penalty. That point aside. As Sterling went to the floor in a heap and appealed for the penalty does that not then constitute simulation if the foul was not given - which he should have been booked for? And given the agression in his continued appeal screaming at the ref should he have not received a second yellow?
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Post by benhomly on Jan 21, 2019 14:15:08 GMT 1
Just thinking about the financial difference between us and city.. They have 20 or more 30million pound or more players . All on at least 100k a week Then Peps huge salary That's at least a billion pounds investment. How the hell can we ever compete with that? We can't and didn't. We didn't compete at their place in August but to say we didn't compete yesterday is nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 14:58:47 GMT 1
We didn't compete at their place in August but to say we didn't compete yesterday is nonsense. We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 21, 2019 15:09:19 GMT 1
Said it before but we've been cursed. Siewert better make sure the first thing he does is pee on each corner flag.
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