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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 30, 2019 8:55:05 GMT 1
Those saying there was nothing different must have missed us almost playing with 4 up front first half. It was far more attacking than previous but our passing was so dire it didn't really matter I nearly fell off the sofa when after about 20 minutes I counted three of our players in the penalty area during an attack.
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Post by gymroidspump on Jan 30, 2019 9:10:10 GMT 1
Bit of frustration here but I am disappointed that a striker was not lined up to be signed in the very early part of January, even on loan Yes, it looks like Grant is incoming which is good news but we cannot score to save our lives yet from the same division we have Payne on loan banging them in and O'Brien even getting on the score sheet. Payne always gave 100% which is more than can be said for the current crop. He should have been recalled and given a chance! Bit of frustration and extremely rare I have a go at Town but I just feel somewhat disappointed Rant over! I think the decision was made not to bother attempting to stay up, irrespective of the sound bites and tub-thumping
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Post by terrier70 on Jan 30, 2019 9:12:06 GMT 1
Bit of frustration here but I am disappointed that a striker was not lined up to be signed in the very early part of January, even on loan Yes, it looks like Grant is incoming which is good news but we cannot score to save our lives yet from the same division we have Payne on loan banging them in and O'Brien even getting on the score sheet. Payne always gave 100% which is more than can be said for the current crop. He should have been recalled and given a chance! Bit of frustration and extremely rare I have a go at Town but I just feel somewhat disappointed Rant over! I think the decision was made not to bother attempting to stay up, irrespective of the sound bites and tub-thumping Moved my post to Recruitment, looks more appropriate
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:13:21 GMT 1
We’ve employed the German Thomas Christiansen. Woefully out of his depth...it’s becoming more apparent every time he talks. Give him a chance ffs. He’s only been here a week. He needs time to change the mentality of the players and that isn’t going to happen in a week. It doesn’t matter, he’s out of his depth at this level, it’s far too difficult and intense for someone new to the proper grown up game. If the Wagner situation was so agreeable, we should have arranged for him to stay a few more weeks so that Hudson would have been able to look after things to the end of the season and have Siewert take over in summer when he’s got a chance of not being destroyed by the drain of losing every game in his learning period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:16:22 GMT 1
We’ve employed the German Thomas Christiansen. Woefully out of his depth...it’s becoming more apparent every time he talks. First prize. I was wondering who would be the first to criticise the manager... but after one game in charge? Do you think he’s not out of his depth?? If Wagner had come in to a Premier League team he would have been out of his depth too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:28:53 GMT 1
Give him a chance ffs. He’s only been here a week. He needs time to change the mentality of the players and that isn’t going to happen in a week. It doesn’t matter, he’s out of his depth at this level, it’s far too difficult and intense for someone new to the proper grown up game. If the Wagner situation was so agreeable, we should have arranged for him to stay a few more weeks so that Hudson would have been able to look after things to the end of the season and have Siewert take over in summer when he’s got a chance of not being destroyed by the drain of losing every game in his learning period. Yep, then Siewert could have spent the entire close season running the rule over which players to keep. (Bit difficult when there are no games) Instead of that he goes into the summer knowing who's up for the job and what needs to be brought in, hopefully get the business done early to hit the ground running. You've actually written him off after one game. Bloody hell! Wagner lost his first three games in this 'proper grown up game'.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 30, 2019 9:33:03 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter, he’s out of his depth at this level, it’s far too difficult and intense for someone new to the proper grown up game. The sad fact is we can’t prove right or wrong this stupid comment you have made as we will lose pretty much every game this season anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:34:04 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter, he’s out of his depth at this level, it’s far too difficult and intense for someone new to the proper grown up game. If the Wagner situation was so agreeable, we should have arranged for him to stay a few more weeks so that Hudson would have been able to look after things to the end of the season and have Siewert take over in summer when he’s got a chance of not being destroyed by the drain of losing every game in his learning period. Yep, then Siewert could have spent the entire close season running the rule over which players to keep. (Bit difficult when there are no games) Instead of that he goes into the summer knowing who's up for the job and what needs to be brought in, hopefully get the business done early to hit the ground running. You've actually written him off after one game. Bloody hell! Wagner lost his first three games in this 'proper grown up game'. I haven’t written him off...I hope he goes on to get the support needed to sustain us in the middle of the Championship for a few years. He’s goimg to learn nothing this season other than how to sound stupid in press conferences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:41:48 GMT 1
Yep, then Siewert could have spent the entire close season running the rule over which players to keep. (Bit difficult when there are no games) Instead of that he goes into the summer knowing who's up for the job and what needs to be brought in, hopefully get the business done early to hit the ground running. You've actually written him off after one game. Bloody hell! Wagner lost his first three games in this 'proper grown up game'. I haven’t written him off...I hope he goes on to get the support needed to sustain us in the middle of the Championship for a few years. He’s goimg to learn nothing this season other than how to sound stupid in press conferences. You haven't written him off, yet your first sentence says "Out of his depth". Aye alright then. Roll on the train to Chelsea.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 30, 2019 9:52:22 GMT 1
One thing I noticed tonight was that Mounie didn't jump properly for a header until injury time. He's got a massive leap on him so it's clear when he isn't trying fully and all night he was hardly getting off the ground. Finally got a bit angry towards the end and leapt about 300ft in the air and won the header easily Pretty galling to watch someone on ridiculous money not try regardless of the season already being over he is not a player for the 'bad days'.. he mooches to the box and then you have to hit him, he wont move far.. we press in the corner but he fails everytime to come across and they were able to clear every time.. as nobody good is going to sign him, he may have to drop back down again to get easier chances and less need to move much? Agree, he had what was actually a decent chance in the first half when Pickford made a hash of coming to clear. He's not a tall keeper so with a bit of effort and skill from Mounie it should have been possible to lob the keeper but Mounie made little effort and nothing came of it.
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Post by willo on Jan 30, 2019 10:25:00 GMT 1
he is not a player for the 'bad days'.. he mooches to the box and then you have to hit him, he wont move far.. we press in the corner but he fails everytime to come across and they were able to clear every time.. as nobody good is going to sign him, he may have to drop back down again to get easier chances and less need to move much? Agree, he had what was actually a decent chance in the first half when Pickford made a hash of coming to clear. He's not a tall keeper so with a bit of effort and skill from Mounie it should have been possible to lob the keeper but Mounie made little effort and nothing came of it. Those with longer memories will recall but shades of Terry Austin with Mounie for me.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 30, 2019 10:30:35 GMT 1
Not the start everyone had in mind but c'mon lets give the guy some time to put his stamp on the team, not an easy job to come into and it could have been much worse given they have clearly been told to play differently in only a short space of time. If I'm looking for a positive then I quite liked the speed in which the ball was going forwards once past the halfway line, a few weeks and who knows it may start coming off..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 10:30:41 GMT 1
I haven’t written him off...I hope he goes on to get the support needed to sustain us in the middle of the Championship for a few years. He’s goimg to learn nothing this season other than how to sound stupid in press conferences. You haven't written him off, yet your first sentence says "Out of his depth". Aye alright then. Roll on the train to Chelsea. Out of his depth in the Premier League - will hopefully be fine in the League below. If we were 8th in the EPL, with no danger of relegation, and Wagner left, do you honestly think we would/should have brought Siewert in? In fact, imagine we’ve just been promoted to the Premier League but our manager has left,, do we bring in the version of David Wagner from Dortmund without the skills and experience he’s gained learning the game with us these last couple of years and just throw him at it and hope we get away with it ?? I don’t think we do. He’s out of his depth.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 30, 2019 10:37:05 GMT 1
Didn't look a great deal different to the way Wagner was setting us up. Same baffling subs (1-0 down at home against a team with 10 men and he brings Löwe on 😬😬😂😂), same risk averse tactics, same brain melt at the back costing a goal. Diakhaby is getting grief on here and was taking abuse from the stands but I actually thought he did OK. He's raw, ridiculously one footed and tactically naive but he looked to get in behind and take a man on. After the sending off there were three or four occasions where he made a similar run when Puncheon or Bacuna had the ball in midfield only for them to ignore him and pass sideways. Safe, boring, shite. We are just so dull to watch. Going down without a whimper and no one will miss us. Completely agree re diakhaby. I'd play just behind Mounie, has pace to burn and looks like he can handle a ball over the top to run onto. lets be honest, when flo gets the ball on the wing he does'nt look like he has a clue what to do with it, almost does'nt want it and gets rid as early as poss towards lossl. Time me to try some different tactics and I'd like to see us try to go long with balls over the top and pacy players running on to it. What have we got to lose? When he gets the ball, Flo looks like the kid from Home Alone confronted by a burglar
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 11:00:02 GMT 1
Not the start everyone had in mind but c'mon lets give the guy some time to put his stamp on the team, not an easy job to come into and it could have been much worse given they have clearly been told to play differently in only a short space of time. If I'm looking for a positive then I quite liked the speed in which the ball was going forwards once past the halfway line, a few weeks and who knows it may start coming off.. My thoughts as well. The two problems I saw last night were we rarely knew what to do around the goal to break through their back line but when we did we created chances, Katchunga's header and the sending off for two. Other times we dithered and I am not sure if it is lack of movement going forward or, the other problem, the awful final ball, of which we played quite a few shockers. Confidence was low, I saw Diakhaby's head drop a few times when things did not work, and we all groaned so many times when a pass went astray. We did break more quickly though, which is encouraging. How we turn that into end product will be the real test.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:08:52 GMT 1
You haven't written him off, yet your first sentence says "Out of his depth". Aye alright then. Roll on the train to Chelsea. Out of his depth in the Premier League - will hopefully be fine in the League below. If we were 8th in the EPL, with no danger of relegation, and Wagner left, do you honestly think we would/should have brought Siewert in? In fact, imagine we’ve just been promoted to the Premier League but our manager has left,, do we bring in the version of David Wagner from Dortmund without the skills and experience he’s gained learning the game with us these last couple of years and just throw him at it and hope we get away with it ?? I don’t think we do. He’s out of his depth. You've written him off after one game in the Premier League which we lost one nil. In answer to all those questions who knows, maybe. Like it or not we were never going for the usual suspects.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 30, 2019 12:36:57 GMT 1
Everton and their fans have held a desire for a few years now to cement a place as the 7th team to go with the established top 6 in the PL. I thought they were terrible, aided (yet again ) by clowns masquerading as officials and yet for the 2nd time running they've taken 3 points from the JSS and we were powerless to stop them. The red card did us no favours, they were already time wasting and quite content to protect their one goal lead, going down to 10 men only reinforced that, had we scored from the free kick it may have been different but......
I maintain that our overall standard of play isn't that bad,but for whatever reason and I'm sure confidence is now one of them we are far too slow to get forward, we don't get there in sufficient numbers and nobody wants to take responsibility for a shot at goal, whenever we get close there's always one pass too many and the chance is gone, fan's would probably cheer a shot from 20 yards out if it hit the corner flag because at least it was a shot.
Back to my original point, the overall standard isn't that bad, people will shout it down as Bollox, it's shite, we're rubbish- I understand that, we have had the worst ever run in our history with no sign of it ending soon but in recent weeks we've been as good as Everton, Newcastle, Burnley, Bournemouth and more, with one exception goal scoring and it's killing us and that exception is massive, Everton were shite, as were Newscastle last month, one shot, one goal, three points.
I thought the crowd tried again last night, even conceeding so early but you've got to give a flame oxygen for it to burn, when we got the red card free kick 3 or 4 players tried to encourage some noise but they've got to realise they have to do their part this season is demoralising and draining, most of us have seen Town struggle in lower leagues than this, against much worse teams but an average of one point and one goal every two games is hard for anyone to endure.
Let's hope our new manager can come up with some solutions to the goal famine because he's not going to see out his contract if he can't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:06:12 GMT 1
First prize. I was wondering who would be the first to criticise the manager... but after one game in charge? Do you think he’s not out of his depth?? If Wagner had come in to a Premier League team he would have been out of his depth too. what qualifies you are many on here to make such a silly statement.yourpost alone tells its own story
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Post by impact on Jan 30, 2019 14:20:37 GMT 1
We will never, ever get a penalty, will we? Another probable point an official has cost us.
He even managed to give Everton a free kick.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 30, 2019 14:24:52 GMT 1
I've already forgot we played last night & I was there. Two shots on target at home to a team that going into the game had only won twice on the road all season & played 30 mins against them with an extra player.. Fucking abysmal.
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Post by gymroidspump on Jan 30, 2019 14:42:55 GMT 1
I've already forgot we played last night & I was there. Two shots on target at home to a team that going into the game had only won twice on the road all season & played 30 mins against them with an extra player.. Fucking abysmal. Yep. Time to stop blaming officials, refs, whoever. We are where we are because of things happening a lot closer to home
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 15:01:25 GMT 1
We will never, ever get a penalty, will we? Another probable point an official has cost us. He even managed to give Everton a free kick. Should have been a pen but we are still shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 15:58:41 GMT 1
Do you think he’s not out of his depth?? If Wagner had come in to a Premier League team he would have been out of his depth too. what qualifies you are many on here to make such a silly statement.yourpost alone tells its own story Do you think Wagner straight out of Dortmund II would have been out of his depth if he’d been hrown into managing a struggling Premier League team or not?
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Post by impact on Jan 30, 2019 16:26:13 GMT 1
We will never, ever get a penalty, will we? Another probable point an official has cost us. He even managed to give Everton a free kick. Should have been a pen but we are still shit. I know. But it's more than likely another point the officials have denied us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 16:27:37 GMT 1
what qualifies you are many on here to make such a silly statement.yourpost alone tells its own story Do you think Wagner straight out of Dortmund II would have been out of his depth if he’d been hrown into managing a struggling Premier League team or not? I think Wagner would have been out of his depth if he came into our current situation. I think he was out of his depth for the last year or so to be honest. Love him to bits but we only stayed up last year because of our momentum at the beginning of the season. We were pretty terrible for the second half of the season and it has just continued on this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 16:59:04 GMT 1
Do you think Wagner straight out of Dortmund II would have been out of his depth if he’d been hrown into managing a struggling Premier League team or not? I think Wagner would have been out of his depth if he came into our current situation. I think he was out of his depth for the last year or so to be honest. Love him to bits but we only stayed up last year because of our momentum at the beginning of the season. We were pretty terrible for the second half of the season and it has just continued on this season. Indeed, so why is me suggesting someone less experienced than Wagner is likely going to be out of his depth, having listened to what he’s said over the last week or so, and seen what we did last night?? He might well turn out to be a decent manager, but to expect him to not be out of his depth this season is the silly statement in my opinion.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 17:13:39 GMT 1
Should have been a pen but we are still shit. I know. But it's more than likely another point the officials have denied us. The bugger of it is if it had been the other way around and it had been in our box it would probably have been given. I do struggle with a lot of the decisions that are given against us. Last night every time an Everton player hit the deck they got a free kick. The ref had no choice with the red card, and in truth I don't think it was bias, they just go down more convincingly than we do. It's a shit game when that is a regular tactic.
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Post by artysid on Jan 30, 2019 17:14:58 GMT 1
Worrying when IMO the three worst performances last night were from 3 of the key stalwarts of recent years - Hogg, Schindler, Kachunga
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 30, 2019 17:19:58 GMT 1
First prize. I was wondering who would be the first to criticise the manager... but after one game in charge? Do you think he’s not out of his depth?? If Wagner had come in to a Premier League team he would have been out of his depth too. The whole management and directors are out of their depth they’ve proved that shit scared of taking the gamble that would have established us in this league , we could have attracted some decent prem experience in summer but no we are the Terriers it’s our identity to do it on the cheap, naivety of the highest to say the least
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Post by space hardware on Jan 30, 2019 17:29:52 GMT 1
Worrying when IMO the three worst performances last night were from 3 of the key stalwarts of recent years - Hogg, Schindler, Kachunga Hogg looked to be carrying a knock to me. Schindler has been on a steady downward trajectory for a few weeks now. He gave the ball away a lot of times last night. I can only think it's the stress of playing alongside Zanka that has turned him into a nervous wreck. Kachunga - loved him in the promotion season but sadly not up to the PL.
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