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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 17:52:51 GMT 1
The whole performance was terrible.
Bacuna's inexperience was really showing, however I do feel like he will be a good player.
Puncheon reminds me of a retired ex-professional player that now plays sunday league.. alright on the ball but looks as though he's carrying a few pounds.
Zanka and Flo were massive weak links and have been for a while now. Notice that we won away at Wolves without him at CB?
Not sure what the positives were from the performance exactly but lets hope it's a lesson learnt. UTT
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 18:16:14 GMT 1
Worrying when IMO the three worst performances last night were from 3 of the key stalwarts of recent years - Hogg, Schindler, Kachunga I didn't see that. Katchunga got stuck in and being in the position he was for the header at least showed attacking intent. Schindler had a few off moments but generally he moved the ball around well from the centre and won plenty of battles when high balls were lobbed in. Hogg's passing will never be great. He didn't need to break their attacks up much as after their goal they were not that threatening. If the two good efforts we had had gone in there would be no postmortem on players performances.
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Post by impact on Jan 30, 2019 18:18:18 GMT 1
Worrying when IMO the three worst performances last night were from 3 of the key stalwarts of recent years - Hogg, Schindler, Kachunga You thought Schindler was worse than Zanka? Or Puncheon or Flo weren't worse than both Schindler and Kachunga?
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 18:18:59 GMT 1
The whole performance was terrible. Bacuna's inexperience was really showing, however I do feel like he will be a good player. Puncheon reminds me of a retired ex-professional player that now plays sunday league.. alright on the ball but looks as though he's carrying a few pounds. Zanka and Flo were massive weak links and have been for a while now. Notice that we won away at Wolves without him at CB? Not sure what the positives were from the performance exactly but lets hope it's a lesson learnt. UTT A lot of our attacks came through Flo. He sees a lot of the ball so comes under more scrutiny. Agree about Puncheon, not a midfield general. Zanka has played a lot worse than that. I thought if anything he had a quiet game.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 30, 2019 18:36:27 GMT 1
New manager - same shit
Could see exactly the attacking game plan that Jan was trying to enforse by getting balls into the box ,but sadly " not through lack of effort " he maybe has yet to realise that most of the squad do not have the "ABILITY " to compete at the higheat level thus the reason why Wagner called it a day.
What a difference when Mooy came on similar to that of a heart coming back to life after a person being given the kiss of life.
Sadly any fire sale will make it difficult for Jan to build for next season , but there are to many players in this squad that previously have badly let the club and Wagner down .
Not worth spending silly money now as the gap is to big , and "SADLY FEEL " that this load of rubbish are about to re write the premier league record books for all the wrong reasons
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2019 18:42:21 GMT 1
Schindler gets a lot of slack because of how good hes been in the past, but IMO hes been gradually getting worse pretty much all season. Looks a pale shadow of the player we had in the 2nd half of the promotion season or first season in the prem. Zanka and Kongolo too for that matter- neither look a patch on the players they were last season.
I genuinely don;t think playing alongside a weak link like Flo has helped them at all. Doesn;'t directly excuse them for their blunders but I think it unnerves them and has effected their game.
2 poor sides last night. Don;t think there was much between them. We huffed and puffed but our lack of quality shone through. Even Hogg was miles off his game. Went straight down the tunnel when subbed so maybe was heading for treatment or the toilet? He just didn;t seem right at all from kick off.
Puncheon looks like a player well past his best. Still knows what he should do, just doesn;t have it in him to actually do it anymore. Diakhaby worked very hard and has bags of pace but just lacks the footballing brain to use it effectively. Gets himself in the right positions but keeps picking the wrong options. Bacuna just looks like a bang average Championship/ league 1 midfielder to me. Not seen anything particularly impressive about him yet.
The only positive last night was Mooy, who almost instantly stood out as our best player on the pitch as soon as he came on.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Jan 30, 2019 19:21:42 GMT 1
First chance I've had to post since last night, no time to read all of the above so here's my take on it.First half was as poor as I've seen this season, no shot til'the 44th minute and that was three yards wide.Second half improvement but only because of the sending off, I reckon Pickford was the happiest person on the pitch when this happened as he must have been close to getting frost bite.A cold miserable night and anybody who thinks we are staying up is on cloud cuckoo land, 4-5 players barely up to championship standard, massive job for the new coach and a major clear out required before next season. Agree about Mooy, great to see him back.
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 30, 2019 19:32:12 GMT 1
Schindler gets a lot of slack because of how good hes been in the past, but IMO hes been gradually getting worse pretty much all season. Looks a pale shadow of the player we had in the 2nd half of the promotion season or first season in the prem. Zanka and Kongolo too for that matter- neither look a patch on the players they were last season. I genuinely don;t think playing alongside a weak link like Flo has helped them at all. Doesn;'t directly excuse them for their blunders but I think it unnerves them and has effected their game. 2 poor sides last night. Don;t think there was much between them. We huffed and puffed but our lack of quality shone through. Even Hogg was miles off his game. Went straight down the tunnel when subbed so maybe was heading for treatment or the toilet? He just didn;t seem right at all from kick off. Puncheon looks like a player well past his best. Still knows what he should do, just doesn;t have it in him to actually do it anymore. Diakhaby worked very hard and has bags of pace but just lacks the footballing brain to use it effectively. Gets himself in the right positions but keeps picking the wrong options. Bacuna just looks like a bang average Championship/ league 1 midfielder to me. Not seen anything particularly impressive about him yet. The only positive last night was Mooy, who almost instantly stood out as our best player on the pitch as soon as he came on. Not just our best player on the pitch he was the best player to take to the pitch from either side.
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Post by marshterrier on Jan 30, 2019 19:49:28 GMT 1
Not trawling through pages of this match thread but overall I felt it was another very disappointing, toothless display. Everton were there for the taking and we should have collected at least a point but got nil again. Bacuna is a development squad player and should be with Deano. We were sloppy and ponderous in possession on the whole. We tried to up it second half but lacked the quality and ingenuity to break through. The only real positive I can think of was Mooy who looks a PL player. Sadly the rest of the team all looked capable of serious errors and lacking in confidence and ability. We keep complicating good positions instead of getting a shot off that could result in a deflection and a goal or a rebound and a chance. I could sense the fans frustration but we seem incapable of changing. That said Pickford produced two great saves from the two efforts that were on target. Things may get worse before they get better but the new Manager needs time to change things and get rid of the dead wood.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:28:09 GMT 1
The whole performance was terrible. Bacuna's inexperience was really showing, however I do feel like he will be a good player. Puncheon reminds me of a retired ex-professional player that now plays sunday league.. alright on the ball but looks as though he's carrying a few pounds. Zanka and Flo were massive weak links and have been for a while now. Notice that we won away at Wolves without him at CB? Not sure what the positives were from the performance exactly but lets hope it's a lesson learnt. UTT A lot of our attacks came through Flo. He sees a lot of the ball so comes under more scrutiny. Agree about Puncheon, not a midfield general. Zanka has played a lot worse than that. I thought if anything he had a quiet game. I don’t think we can even call it attacks to be honest. He does get a lot of the ball but he is so incapable of beating a man or run with any drive. Zanka’s passing was also very poor. Fingers crossed we can get Grant to make darting runs to the corners and get us further up the field, thought Tosun done that well for them yesterday.. as much as I think he’s a pr*ck.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 20:37:21 GMT 1
A lot of our attacks came through Flo. He sees a lot of the ball so comes under more scrutiny. Agree about Puncheon, not a midfield general. Zanka has played a lot worse than that. I thought if anything he had a quiet game. I don’t think we can even call it attacks to be honest. He does get a lot of the ball but he is so incapable of beating a man or run with any drive. Zanka’s passing was also very poor. Fingers crossed we can get Grant to make darting runs to the corners and get us further up the field, thought Tosun done that well for them yesterday.. as much as I think he’s a pr*ck. I think one of the problems for Flo is the lack of options. He often had two defenders on him and no teammates. Mooy is still getting his fitness back but did offer an outlet. When the team are poor it is hard to point the finger at one player, especially when they see more of the ball than most of the others. I am not saying he is a world beater but not as bad as most seem to think.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 30, 2019 20:37:37 GMT 1
A lot of our attacks came through Flo. He sees a lot of the ball so comes under more scrutiny. Agree about Puncheon, not a midfield general. Zanka has played a lot worse than that. I thought if anything he had a quiet game. I don’t think we can even call it attacks to be honest. He does get a lot of the ball but he is so incapable of beating a man or run with any drive. Zanka’s passing was also very poor. Fingers crossed we can get Grant to make darting runs to the corners and get us further up the field, thought Tosun done that well for them yesterday.. as much as I think he’s a pr*ck. I think one of the problems for Flo is the lack of options. He often had two defenders on him and no teammates. Mooy is still getting his fitness back but did offer an outlet. When the team are poor it is hard to point the finger at one player, especially when they see more of the ball than most of the others. I am not saying he is a world beater but not as bad as most seem to think.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2019 20:38:08 GMT 1
I lost count of the times Flo got the ball out wide in a good position but had neither the pace, tricks, or just ability to get past the full back. Hes does basically all he can do, which is to turn round and play it backwards.
The fact a player SO limited as he is has started so many games this season says everything about why we are where we are in the league.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 30, 2019 20:51:40 GMT 1
Definitely have more bodies making positive runs. Noticeably, several times we had 3-4 players in their box on the first half. Granted it came to nothing, but, the intent was there.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 20:59:19 GMT 1
I lost count of the times Flo got the ball out wide in a good position but had neither the pace, tricks, or just ability to get past the full back. Hes does basically all he can do, which is to turn round and play it backwards. The fact a player SO limited as he is has started so many games this season says everything about why we are where we are in the league. I probably don't watch enough to comment but from what I have seen & from a player in that supposedly attacking position, he's incredibly one dimensional. When we do cross from the wings we rarely have more than one in the box, so you'd think that attacking a full back and trying to whip in a genuinely telling cross would allow us the time to get one or two more into the box.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2019 23:24:15 GMT 1
The most telling aspect of our transfer activity over the past year or so, is that Lolley, Ince and VLP are, IMO, all better options than any of the players we currently still have in the squad to play those wide positions!
Whoever is to blame for that, and its probably not one person's fault alone, its been a bit of a shocker all round. They weren't without fault, but Id take any of those 3 ahead of Flo, Kachunga, Mbenza or Diakhaby.
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Post by frankslegs on Jan 31, 2019 0:08:23 GMT 1
Agree with the above PLUS Wagner never wanted Hefele in the squad either from day one of last season.I,m getting pissed off with Zanka appalling distribution and we have only one spare centre half to challenge him and Schindler.I just don’t get it.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 31, 2019 8:52:03 GMT 1
Zanka seems to get plenty of stick but was BBC man of the match and that was selected from both sides. Some posters need to take the blinkers off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 10:28:00 GMT 1
Everton game been and gone. Let's most on.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 31, 2019 17:30:02 GMT 1
Zanka seems to get plenty of stick but was BBC man of the match and that was selected from both sides. Some posters need to take the blinkers off. Preconceived opinions often mean that they skew the person's view of any incidents. Schindler has like many others been poor quite often this season and trying to use his partner as an excuse for this is the perfect example. Especially when Zanka was his partner for his imperious performances in the past.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 31, 2019 17:36:44 GMT 1
450 mile round trip for that....yet again. I need my head examining. I have flights booked for the Arsenal game... For the first time I am wondering whether to put myself through the pain and expense. I know I will be there though... Don't let the poor performance and quick to judge DATM crowd put you off. A 5.5 hour delay didn't stop me getting to the Everton game and despite the result and performance it was great to see the lads from in the stadium. I'll see the Arsenal game too before heading back to Canada hopefully the polar vortex will have moved on by then. Sadly the Chelsea game was sold out before I could secure the tickets required but I am on the waiting list at least.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 31, 2019 17:45:49 GMT 1
First chance I've had to post since last night, no time to read all of the above so here's my take on it.First half was as poor as I've seen this season, no shot til'the 44th minute and that was three yards wide.Second half improvement but only because of the sending off, I reckon Pickford was the happiest person on the pitch when this happened as he must have been close to getting frost bite.A cold miserable night and anybody who thinks we are staying up is on cloud cuckoo land, 4-5 players barely up to championship standard, massive job for the new coach and a major clear out required before next season. Agree about Mooy, great to see him back. I made it 5 from the starting 11
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 31, 2019 17:51:16 GMT 1
I don’t think we can even call it attacks to be honest. He does get a lot of the ball but he is so incapable of beating a man or run with any drive. Zanka’s passing was also very poor. Fingers crossed we can get Grant to make darting runs to the corners and get us further up the field, thought Tosun done that well for them yesterday.. as much as I think he’s a pr*ck. I think one of the problems for Flo is the lack of options. He often had two defenders on him and no teammates. Mooy is still getting his fitness back but did offer an outlet. When the team are poor it is hard to point the finger at one player, especially when they see more of the ball than most of the others. I am not saying he is a world beater but not as bad as most seem to think. Flo had plenty of chances to get past Baines a good few balls were played where he was one on one with 25 yards to run into but no he turns and passes it back or he passes it then doesn't make the run for the return which is something smith does hence him and kachunga having a good understanding. With his pace Flo should be more positive and direct
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 31, 2019 19:04:36 GMT 1
I have flights booked for the Arsenal game... For the first time I am wondering whether to put myself through the pain and expense. I know I will be there though... Don't let the poor performance and quick to judge DATM crowd put you off. A 5.5 hour delay didn't stop me getting to the Everton game and despite the result and performance it was great to see the lads from in the stadium. I'll see the Arsenal game too before heading back to Canada hopefully the polar vortex will have moved on by then. Sadly the Chelsea game was sold out before I could secure the tickets required but I am on the waiting list at least. Mate if you can get over Dewsbury/Ossett/Wakefield way Saturday morning there's a spare seat in the car, parking at Stanmore, £5.60 return on tube, if you can't get a seat in the away end you'll get one in the home end. PM if you're up for it and I'll give you more details. PS put an appeal on here (a new thread) for one and keep checking, there's usually someone late in the day that can't make it trying to offload one.
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