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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 16, 2019 6:54:25 GMT 1
Boring. Wow. You wil never be pleased if you think 16/17 was boring. You may as well go and support Liverpool now if so because you will never enjoy it. And I guess you never have. I never said it was boring to win promotion but in the main his football is boring, it's very conservative, based on high percentage of possession. That week we played Brighton and Leeds at home was a million miles away from boring. That promotion season was thrilling; late winners all over the shop and tight victories. When we were on it, we were a very exciting team to watch.
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 16, 2019 7:06:34 GMT 1
Boring. Wow. You wil never be pleased if you think 16/17 was boring. You may as well go and support Liverpool now if so because you will never enjoy it. And I guess you never have. I never said it was boring to win promotion but in the main his football is boring, it's very conservative, based on high percentage of possession. Jesus AR. Stop it please We won circa 50% of our games playing high tempo possession football. We beat our nearest and dearest home and away. Beat the wendies in their own back yard in the playoffs and took 40k to Wembley If that’s boring you must be a billionaire gigolo ffs
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Post by hthtafs on Apr 16, 2019 7:30:55 GMT 1
It’s at fair comparison Karanka and Wagner. Would be a great acquisition. I’m not sure what the set up is like @ Boro probably needs a good DOF in place to florish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 7:37:38 GMT 1
Football is a low-scoring game, and personally I find odd-goal victories far more exciting than hammerings. Much as it might have been nice to beat our near-neighbours by several goals in the promotion season, I wouldn't change the way that game panned out for the World.
Hefele at Villa.
Hogg's last-gasp winner at home to Barnsley.
Smith's injury-time winner at Rotherham.
Billing's late goal at home to Reading.
Quaner's 96th minute winner at home to Preston.
Hell - even the attritional, ugly, holding-on-for-dear-life, narrow win at home to a poor Rotherham team.
Magnificent.
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Post by digs on Apr 16, 2019 7:48:48 GMT 1
Quite a few boro fans seem to think Wagner is a likely option we will go for once ‘he (not saying that name’ finally leaves in summer. There is a debate into how Wagner sets teams up though, we’ve had our fair share of defensive managers lately and many want someone a bit less cautious (boring). Was Wagner that way inclined? Ignoring the premiership season he got you promoted with a very low goals scored figure and you sneaked through the play offs scoring 1 goal. Was he limited by budget/the attacking players he could attract? Or did he just set up to defend first and hope to snatch a 1-0? I read through a few posts from the Wagner thread and tbh it sounds like a carbon copy of when we had Karanka, split opinions, some defend him because he was successful, others don’t like him because the football was boring. Also suffering from disasterous recruitment! i bet your pissing yourself at the squabbling on here,youve thrown a worm into the chicken coop
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 16, 2019 7:50:02 GMT 1
Football is a low-scoring game, and personally I find odd-goal victories far more exciting than hammerings. Much as it might have been nice to beat our near-neighbours by several goals in the promotion season, I wouldn't change the way that game panned out for the World. Hefele at Villa. Hogg's last-gasp winner at home to Barnsley. Smith's injury-time winner at Rotherham. Billing's late goal at home to Reading. Quaner's 96th minute winner at home to Preston. Hell - even the attritional, ugly, holding-on-for-dear-life, narrow win at home to a poor Rotherham team. Magnificent. And that win away at Norwich. We played fantastic that night.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 7:58:18 GMT 1
Football is a low-scoring game, and personally I find odd-goal victories far more exciting than hammerings. Much as it might have been nice to beat our near-neighbours by several goals in the promotion season, I wouldn't change the way that game panned out for the World. Hefele at Villa. Hogg's last-gasp winner at home to Barnsley. Smith's injury-time winner at Rotherham. Billing's late goal at home to Reading. Quaner's 96th minute winner at home to Preston. Hell - even the attritional, ugly, holding-on-for-dear-life, narrow win at home to a poor Rotherham team. Magnificent. And that win away at Norwich. We played fantastic that night. How could I forget that!?! I'm not much of a betting man, but my go-to bet that season was a 2-1 win, with Kachunga scoring first. That result paid for Christmas.
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Post by impact on Apr 16, 2019 10:17:29 GMT 1
I hated watching this boring football. No atmosphere, everyone glued to their seats, nothing to shout about.
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 16, 2019 11:19:49 GMT 1
Boring. Wow. You wil never be pleased if you think 16/17 was boring. You may as well go and support Liverpool now if so because you will never enjoy it. And I guess you never have. I never said it was boring to win promotion but in the main his football is boring, it's very conservative, based on high percentage of possession. That’s the way football had gone now though, it’s how all the top teams play. Granted we didn’t have the extra quality up top like the big boys have but in the championship we passed most teams to death and not just with pointless possession either. The link up play/ passing and movement he introduced to us was astonishing. Sorry but I can only think that the people who don’t see this either don’t understand the technical side of the game and/or are the gerrit forward brigade.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2019 11:30:10 GMT 1
I never said it was boring to win promotion but in the main his football is boring, it's very conservative, based on high percentage of possession. That’s the way football had gone now though, it’s how all the top teams play. Granted we didn’t have the extra quality up top like the big boys have but in the championship we passed most teams to death and not just with pointless possession either. The link up play/ passing and movement he introduced to us was astonishing. Sorry but I can only think that the people who don’t see this either don’t understand the technical side of the game and/or are the gerrit forward brigade. It's shit having the ball. Much better when the opposition have it.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 16, 2019 12:36:53 GMT 1
Too good for boro I'm afraid.
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 16, 2019 12:58:35 GMT 1
That’s the way football had gone now though, it’s how all the top teams play. Granted we didn’t have the extra quality up top like the big boys have but in the championship we passed most teams to death and not just with pointless possession either. The link up play/ passing and movement he introduced to us was astonishing. Sorry but I can only think that the people who don’t see this either don’t understand the technical side of the game and/or are the gerrit forward brigade. It's shit having the ball. Much better when the opposition have it. Bring back playing off flick ons and knocking the ball into channels. If people don’t buy into what Wagner did for us and wouldn’t want Grayson or Powell back its time to call it day.
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 16, 2019 13:05:56 GMT 1
Too good for boro I'm afraid. I’m a massive fan of what Wagner did but it was the perfect storm for him here, I’m not sure he’d get other top division teams to buy into it. I kind of agree with Kongolo too that he struggled with anything other than plan A, most frustrating thing for me is that he was trying different things in the Prem (didn’t usually work like) but had he stuck with us I think he’d have developed that side in time. His next job could be a similar outcome to what happened when we tried Mark Robbins.
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Post by scoffsablue on Apr 16, 2019 13:13:40 GMT 1
Quite a few boro fans seem to think Wagner is a likely option we will go for once ‘he (not saying that name’ finally leaves in summer. There is a debate into how Wagner sets teams up though, we’ve had our fair share of defensive managers lately and many want someone a bit less cautious (boring). Was Wagner that way inclined? Ignoring the premiership season he got you promoted with a very low goals scored figure and you sneaked through the play offs scoring 1 goal. Was he limited by budget/the attacking players he could attract? Or did he just set up to defend first and hope to snatch a 1-0? I read through a few posts from the Wagner thread and tbh it sounds like a carbon copy of when we had Karanka, split opinions, some defend him because he was successful, others don’t like him because the football was boring. Also suffering from disasterous recruitment! Wagner was top notch on and off the field of play...And he once told me that Huddersfield was the furthest North he would go to manage any club!
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Post by Stewpot on Apr 16, 2019 13:19:52 GMT 1
And that win away at Norwich. We played fantastic that night. How could I forget that!?! I'm not much of a betting man, but my go-to bet that season was a 2-1 win, with Kachunga scoring first. That result paid for Christmas. Also the 1-0 win over Derby at home in October. McLaren using every trick in the book in the last 10 minutes to settle for a point, then the winner in injury time from Kachunga, then him whinging more time wasn't added on at the end!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 16, 2019 13:21:37 GMT 1
I bet all you Wagner naysayers are Flat Earthers an’ all. guaranteed anti-vaxers
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Post by htafctaunton on Apr 16, 2019 14:12:43 GMT 1
So who is then? Name some names. Steven Hawking, Da Vinci, Michael Faraday, Darwin and Dave bloody Wagner. Michael Faraday !! ...some people reckon he was ok when involved with electromagnetism and electrochemistry...and he seemed to understand the principles behind electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism AND electrolysis... ...but fer me, he were nothin' but a chuffin' long-ball merchant !! ...and certainly never got Walsall into Europe, did he...!!!
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Post by theguy5 on Apr 16, 2019 15:15:09 GMT 1
I hated watching this boring football. No atmosphere, everyone glued to their seats, nothing to shout about. Oh. Here’s an example of some equally boring Karanka football
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 16, 2019 20:44:31 GMT 1
I hated watching this boring football. No atmosphere, everyone glued to their seats, nothing to shout about. Oh. Zzzzzz boooooring. That was a good strike,no one can deny but that game was the height of boredom in my opinion. Even that Barnsley fan came on here said we were as dull as ditch watter afterwards.
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Post by impact on Apr 16, 2019 20:48:51 GMT 1
I hated watching this boring football. No atmosphere, everyone glued to their seats, nothing to shout about. Oh. Zzzzzz boooooring. That was a good strike,no one can deny but that game was the height of boredom in my opinion. Even that Barnsley fan came on here said we were as dull as ditch watter afterwards. 68% possession, 15 shots. Yeah terrible that.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 16, 2019 20:54:29 GMT 1
Zzzzzz boooooring. That was a good strike,no one can deny but that game was the height of boredom in my opinion. Even that Barnsley fan came on here said we were as dull as ditch watter afterwards. 68% possession, 15 shots. Yeah terrible that. And an injury time winner from a bloke that doesn't score 😁
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 16, 2019 21:36:39 GMT 1
Even that Barnsley fan came on here said we were as dull as ditch watter afterwards. ....so you're using as back up to your opinion the views of a football supporter about a game with local rivals, on their rivals website, when they conceded a last minute winning goal ...... ....and you decided to start your sentence with the word "even". Do you really think that is an unbiased view? That hole you're digging must be visible from the Moon ART.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 17, 2019 11:17:23 GMT 1
Nice guy, brought a revolutionary regime to Huddersfield, and was part of the team that gained a completely unexpected promotion. As a tactician though, he falls way short. Incredibly overrated by a lot of town fans. To change the way a team plays, to change the way players behave and improving a club from a strong base is relatively (relatively) simple. But - To change supporters as group,
- To change the ethos in a business
- To make average players good and get the maximum from each one
- To improve the performance of a club beyond the wildest dreams of an owner
- To be humble
- To be honest
- To make a club a single united entity
- To give once in a life time memories to 30k people
Is beyond the ability of an every day man.
David Wagner is a special man who made a very special, if not unique impact on a run down and "also ran" club.
It did take a special chemistry with Dean Hoyle to make these dreams become reality. We are unlikely to see this again in my life time.
UTT
So what did Wagner ever do for us?
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 17, 2019 17:34:12 GMT 1
I can't believe how ungrateful some Town fans have become.... if someone said Wagner would achieve what he did on day one of his managerial stint, there would not be one single person amongst us who would have said yes, I reckon he could do that - we would all have petitioned to get him sectioned. I don't know whether the Premier league has filled some of our fans with delusions of grandeur or just an overload of arrogance, but if David Wagner taking Huddersfield Town from where he did to the Premier League was not an act of genius, I don't know what is.
In 45+ years of watching Town, the promotion season was my favourite, & most enjoyable, ever & was the only time in history I've felt comfortable with Town having a goal lead in the final 10 minutes, no one could get the ball off us. I always just felt that if we went in front, we would win.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 17, 2019 18:11:21 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 17, 2019 19:55:22 GMT 1
According to SKY Germany Wagner is the frontrunner to take over Hertha Berlin at the end of the season.
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Post by theguy5 on Apr 17, 2019 23:29:28 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time.
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Post by El Mel on Apr 18, 2019 7:07:49 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time. Wagner would be a risky appointment for you, but they all are. Personally, I don't think Wagner will create a reputation for himself as the guy who you appoint if you want to achieve promotion from the championship. I'm not even sure what his plans are in terms of where he wants to manage - I believe he's stated the Premier League or Bundesliga, but I can't see any Premier League manager appointing him any time soon, he's not really shown enough at this level in my eyes to make him a serious contender when a position comes up. He'll probably end up back in Germany.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 18, 2019 11:14:40 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time. Lol because like I already said, if he wanted to manage Boro in the Championship he already had a better job here. He wasn't sacked and wouldnt have been had he wanted to stay after our relegation. He was better paid here due to what hed'd done for the club than he would have been going into a new job at Boro. He'd have had more money to spend here due to us being about to receive 3 years worth of parachute payments whilst yours are about to run out. Similar gates and similar chairman. It hasnt been for a long time but at this point in history (potential takeover uncertainty aside) HTFC is a bigger draw for a manager than Boro. Thats why the lol.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2019 16:45:09 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time. You've hit the nail on the head there as to what fans at other clubs and the wider game in general think of him. He may have done a better job had he had more money to spend but I'm not really sure he would have. I honestly cannot see any Premier League club appointing him unless it was Cardiff or Brighton.
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