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Post by Tinpot on Apr 18, 2019 16:55:49 GMT 1
Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time. Lol because like I already said, if he wanted to manage Boro in the Championship he already had a better job here. He wasn't sacked and wouldnt have been had he wanted to stay after our relegation. He was better paid here due to what hed'd done for the club than he would have been going into a new job at Boro. He'd have had more money to spend here due to us being about to receive 3 years worth of parachute payments whilst yours are about to run out. Similar gates and similar chairman. It hasnt been for a long time but at this point in history (potential takeover uncertainty aside) HTFC is a bigger draw for a manager than Boro. Thats why the lol. On the other hand, he needed a break. Staying here would have meant he didn't get that break. Middlesbrough are a relatively high profile Championship club, still pushing for promotion. If he took over there in the summer, I'd be down the bookies and placing a bet on them for promotion. Wagner would likely want another promotion on his CV & chances are there wouldn't be the same amount of rebuilding work needed there as there was here. Personally, I think he'll be managing in the Bundesliga next. I doubt he'd go to Boro. But his stock will have fallen a little this season & stranger things have happened.
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Post by hthtafs on Apr 19, 2019 6:37:09 GMT 1
lol @ this guy thinking DW would go to boro Why ‘lol’? He might be a god in the eyes of your fans but to other fans we see him similar to jokanovic, Karanka, hughton. Quite a few of our fans are saying they wouldn’t want Wagner because from the outside his football is viewed as defensive minded and the main thing anyone mentions is the negative goal difference and 1 goal in 3 play off games. That’s why I came here to get the view for your eyes. We all thought Karanka would have his next job at some lower la liga team or something, he ended up at forest who had only just stayed up at the time. Looking at it objectively Wagner would be a v good fit for Boro, but you would need to give him a couple of seasons to overhaul the club. In terms of the 3 managers you mention Jokanovic is by the most expansive in terms of play. Wagner is similar in style to to Karancha. What Wagner did was completely galvanise our club, and take a smaller club with significantly less resources, up in a shorter period of time, albeit with a large slice of luck. Gibson famed for his loyalty appears to jumping from one option to another. Monk gone on 6 months - why? Pulis out in 15months? It’s becoming a less attractive job?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Apr 19, 2019 7:46:40 GMT 1
Too good for boro I'm afraid. I’m a massive fan of what Wagner did but it was the perfect storm for him here, I’m not sure he’d get other top division teams to buy into it. I kind of agree with Kongolo too that he struggled with anything other than plan A, most frustrating thing for me is that he was trying different things in the Prem (didn’t usually work like) but had he stuck with us I think he’d have developed that side in time. His next job could be a similar outcome to what happened when we tried Mark Robbins. For this reason I think he’ll take a Bundesliga job next. He’s clearly an ambitious guy and dropping down to the Championship would diminish his stock immediately. He needs a team more closely matched in quality to those around him to develop his tactics and get more goals out of his team. The Bundesliga seems a more even league and he’d probably get more time over there as well.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 19, 2019 11:09:17 GMT 1
I’m a massive fan of what Wagner did but it was the perfect storm for him here, I’m not sure he’d get other top division teams to buy into it. I kind of agree with Kongolo too that he struggled with anything other than plan A, most frustrating thing for me is that he was trying different things in the Prem (didn’t usually work like) but had he stuck with us I think he’d have developed that side in time. His next job could be a similar outcome to what happened when we tried Mark Robbins. For this reason I think he’ll take a Bundesliga job next. He’s clearly an ambitious guy and dropping down to the Championship would diminish his stock immediately. He needs a team more closely matched in quality to those around him to develop his tactics and get more goals out of his team. The Bundesliga seems a more even league and he’d probably get more time over there as well. I think Steve Gibson may be key to this. He does seem to share many similarities with Mr Hoyle, and I think he'd have the freedom to build the club just as he did here, but with a bigger budget & a higher initial baseline than he had with us. Get Middlesbrough promoted & establish them in the PL seems like a good thing to add to your CV.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Apr 19, 2019 17:36:55 GMT 1
For this reason I think he’ll take a Bundesliga job next. He’s clearly an ambitious guy and dropping down to the Championship would diminish his stock immediately. He needs a team more closely matched in quality to those around him to develop his tactics and get more goals out of his team. The Bundesliga seems a more even league and he’d probably get more time over there as well. I think Steve Gibson may be key to this. He does seem to share many similarities with Mr Hoyle, and I think he'd have the freedom to build the club just as he did here, but with a bigger budget & a higher initial baseline than he had with us. Get Middlesbrough promoted & establish them in the PL seems like a good thing to add to your CV. Can’t see Wagner going for another slog in the championship, more likely to damage his reputation that enhance it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:08:03 GMT 1
Some on here seem to think he will walk into a job in top half of Premiership/Bundesliga - that won’t happen.
His next job will be the most important of his career.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Apr 19, 2019 19:29:49 GMT 1
He was a genius for getting us promoted on a shoestrring budget and keeping us up against all the odds last season, however possession football is his main prioirity, often turning attack into defence. We won promotion with a minus goal difference, winning 22 out of 25 games by a single goal. Last summer the priority signings had to be a quality striker and a winger who could provide the ammumition but we failed to sign them and this must have been part of the reason for his decision to leave. Gibson has always come accross as being a Chairman who would support his manager and Wagner is a very likeable bloke, but if he were to become your manager, don't expect goals galore. Honestly that’s almost word for word how boro fans would describe karankas time here, it’s actually spooky how identical the situations were, even down to not getting attacking players in we needed! Tbf Karanka had Jordan Rhodes... sure, he piled on the pounds at Blackburn and might not have had an impact in the PL, but he barely even tried him.
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Post by theguy5 on Apr 20, 2019 3:35:14 GMT 1
For this reason I think he’ll take a Bundesliga job next. He’s clearly an ambitious guy and dropping down to the Championship would diminish his stock immediately. He needs a team more closely matched in quality to those around him to develop his tactics and get more goals out of his team. The Bundesliga seems a more even league and he’d probably get more time over there as well. I think Steve Gibson may be key to this. He does seem to share many similarities with Mr Hoyle, and I think he'd have the freedom to build the club just as he did here, but with a bigger budget & a higher initial baseline than he had with us. Get Middlesbrough promoted & establish them in the PL seems like a good thing to add to your CV. Gibson would (imo) give him that freedom to build the club as long as they seen eye to eye in the interview, he did exactly that with Karanka, he totally revamped the club behind the scenes. Anyway with the current rumour going round Wagner is a distant pipe dream. Woodgate manager and pulis DoF.... I just renewed my ticket aswell 🤪
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Apr 20, 2019 8:18:01 GMT 1
With better players Wagner would be an exciting attacking manager, he showed that with the way he had us playing for a while. When you have players missing shots from 3 foot out though he was forced to go more defensive.
He will end up at somewhere like West ham or Newcastle.
Forget what others have said, he was a master tactician. He just didn't have the tools.
There is a negative though. He became too focused on trying to protect a point, and he withdrew his trust in players. He didn't give people chances enough in the last season and it suffocated us.
There were young lads who would have been better options but he didn't dare give them chance.
The best way to sum it up is that he went from saying "they are good enough, they need to believe it, there are no limits" to "we have noone else ready to step up, we cannot compete"
That was the reason everything went sour. Maybe there was something behind the scenes? Who knows but if he comes back rejuvenated then fantastic.
But it won't be at Boro.
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