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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 19, 2020 11:11:49 GMT 1
ESR played the pass of the match with his low cross to set up grant He also played the quick freekick to play in grant down the left to which we should've done a lot better. he attempted two long range shots 10's are there to create and score - in 45 mins he has done as much or more than pritchard in the last 2 years. Invisible first half but overall I'm relatively happy with his debut; i'm sure a goal will give him even more confidence. That 'pass of the game' was inexcusably left by the Brentford defender who went to clear it but seemed to pull out of the clearance whether he's had a shout from the keeper or he didn't realise Grant was there, I don't know but watch the replay closely. The actual pass was perfect for a striker making a near post run - you know, the sort we never make - which Campbell should have been making.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 11:14:10 GMT 1
That 'pass of the game' was inexcusably left by the Brentford defender who went to clear it but seemed to pull out of the clearance whether he's had a shout from the keeper or he didn't realise Grant was there, I don't know but watch the replay closely. The actual pass was perfect for a striker making a near post run - you know, the sort we never make - which Campbell should have been making. Oh yeah it was an excellent pass but if the defender does what he should be doing Grant never gets the chance to miss the Gobber. We are very static in forward positions.
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Post by ram on Jan 19, 2020 11:24:24 GMT 1
We require another 21 points to achieve Cowley's target of 50 points.We won't get them by playing for draws each week..not enough games left.I reckon we need some wins as no doubt we will lose a few of the remaining games.Team still needs some recruitment.
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Post by rocky on Jan 19, 2020 11:28:06 GMT 1
I spent the first half wondering how Brentford can have a side with so many players with technical ability far superior to many of our players when we've just spent two years in the Premier League I thought Brentford were really poor today they just looked extremely average, I assume they were having an off day or they are seriously over hyped. They seemed intent on walking the ball in the net. Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 11:53:56 GMT 1
I thought Brentford were really poor today they just looked extremely average, I assume they were having an off day or they are seriously over hyped. They seemed intent on walking the ball in the net. Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team.
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Post by crux on Jan 19, 2020 11:59:10 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. Pretty sure the shot that hit the post was a decent chance!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 12:15:56 GMT 1
How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. Pretty sure the shot that hit the post was a decent chance! That was their only one, we can give credit to Town for keeping them to that only strike but you would expect better from a team who were 3rd in the league and being lauded for their top football.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 19, 2020 12:16:30 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. You must be on the wind up. Leeds with a decent striker would be miles clear. Bielsa has that team playing miles better than the sum of the parts. Exactly like Wagner did with us. High fast pressing, and they get numbers in the box. Put it this way if we play anything like those two sides, next season, I’d be delighted.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 12:43:52 GMT 1
How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. You must be on the wind up. Leeds with a decent striker would be miles clear. Bielsa has that team playing miles better than the sum of the parts. Exactly like Wagner did with us. High fast pressing, and they get numbers in the box. Put it this way if we play anything like those two sides, next season, I’d be delighted. Yeah but that's the thing though, they are one player short of being a great team so currently that doesn't make them a great team, that makes them nearly men.
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Post by townatheart on Jan 19, 2020 12:46:49 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. Again must say, sad you can not see that the efforts of the Town players just might have played some little part in how the match was played.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 13:00:11 GMT 1
I thought Brentford were really poor today they just looked extremely average, I assume they were having an off day or they are seriously over hyped. They seemed intent on walking the ball in the net. Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. Aye, probably the best footballing side in the division. We were compact and organised, and did well to contain them. Credit to the Cowley's again.
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Post by rocky on Jan 19, 2020 13:00:40 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. You’re right about one thing - I am going to tell you Leeds are a good team! 😊
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 19, 2020 13:08:16 GMT 1
How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. You’re right about one thing - I am going to tell you Leeds are a good team! 😊 I think we established many years ago that Albert Steptoe has a "high bar"
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 13:13:44 GMT 1
You’re right about one thing - I am going to tell you Leeds are a good team! 😊 I think we established many years ago that Albert Steptoe has a "high bar" But the bar is set low at Town, always has been. As I said previously it was a nothing match really, we weren't bad but nor were we good and Brentford were the same.
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Post by griffa on Jan 19, 2020 14:44:40 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. Look at the Championship Table, it doesn't lie! - UTT.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 19, 2020 14:45:18 GMT 1
I think we established many years ago that Albert Steptoe has a "high bar" But the bar is set low at Town, always has been. As I said previously it was a nothing match really, we weren't bad but nor were we good and Brentford were the same. First 15/20 of the second half. The rest was eminently drab and forgettable. I understand pressing is hard to do for long periods but trying to win the game in a 20 minute period is a tough ask. Our front 3 are more effective when we press. Any gaps between them and the rest of the team and we are totally ineffective. I like Brentfords style and the way they leave players well up the pitch, especially wide, they had plenty of the ball but our inability/lack of desire to commit many forward for long periods just negated their breaking style. We are still playing the other team rather than having much of a set way of Town playing at home.?
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 19, 2020 14:47:04 GMT 1
Can’t believe anyone would describe Brentford as poor. I thought their passing and movement were a cut above and they’re definitely right up there on merit. If you really do think they’re poor, then you must be seeking a type of footballing perfection that simply doesn’t exist in the Championship. How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. They are one of the two best teams I’ve seen at JSS this season - Fulham being the other. The reason they didn’t cut us open was a magnificent defensive effort from the 4-2 of our 4-2-3-1 formation. Stearman was exceptional both in personal performance and organising others. Toffolo had a terrific debut (Danger-man Mbuemo was taken off because he got no joy) and Schindler was also very solid. In front of them O’Brien and, yes, Chalobah did sterling work.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 15:22:35 GMT 1
How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. Look at the Championship Table, it doesn't lie! - UTT. If Brentford win promotion I'll show my arse on the Town Hall steps.
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Post by blueandbrightside on Jan 19, 2020 15:24:43 GMT 1
Pretty sure the shot that hit the post was a decent chance! That was their only one, we can give credit to Town for keeping them to that only strike but you would expect better from a team who were 3rd in the league and being lauded for their top football. So all credit to us for stopping them. (Sadly) Given where we are that’s not a bad outcome from the game. After recent results many were expecting the worst so the performance and result should be looked at in that context.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 15:27:49 GMT 1
How many really good chances did they create? I mean real good chances? None. I thought at times their close ball control was dreadful, next you'll be telling me Leeds are a good team. They are one of the two best teams I’ve seen at JSS this season - Fulham being the other. The reason they didn’t cut us open was a magnificent defensive effort from the 4-2 of our 4-2-3-1 formation. Stearman was exceptional both in personal performance and organising others. Toffolo had a terrific debut (Danger-man Mbuemo was taken off because he got no joy) and Schindler was also very solid. In front of them O’Brien and, yes, Chalobah did sterling work. Yes I fully accept this, I did say we were solid defensively yesterday and I did say Steersman was excellent but if that's all there is to do to stop one of the best teams in the league creating nothing then Brentford will win nowt. We need to couple our defensive solidity with some creative attacking nous now and start to win games, we have two tough away games coming up now, ideally we need to take something from them, historically we never seem to win at either places. The offensive tactics need to be better, I'm all for grinding out results to keep is up but we are chuffing garbage to watch at times. We need to be less risk averse.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 19, 2020 15:30:19 GMT 1
Steersman is my favourite Stearman spelling so far
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 19, 2020 15:34:47 GMT 1
Steersman is my favourite Stearman spelling so far Predictive text there Ted.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 19, 2020 17:43:32 GMT 1
1st half performance was dreadful and could only see a Brentford win coming. 2nd half - so much better. We competed and gave them something to think about. Draw was a fair result in the end. Grabara - 6.5/10. Stearman - 9/10. Schindler - 7/10Toffolo - 8/10 Chalobah - 7/10O'Brien - 7/10Smith-Rowe - 6/10Kachunga - 3/10Grant - 5/10Campbell - 6/10SUBS: Hadergjonaj - 6/10Bacuna - 5/10King - 5/10The Cowley Brothers - 8/10Fans - 4/10I think it is very hard to judge players individually in a game where we struggled to get possession. Brentford had their three attackers between our area and the half way line making playing out from the back very hard. They had quality all over the pitch and a lot of our work was containment, we played pretty deep most of the game. Katchunga helps Simpson with that down our right side, and they were good down both wings so we needed that. We played quite narrow probably because they are good at cutting through the middle so we squeezed their midfield, and ours. None of this makes for anyone but the defenders having a stand out game. Other than a couple of loose passes at the back nobody played badly. Grabara you gave a 6.5 but his positioning for all their shots was spot on. His catching was good and I remember one decent punch so he didn't do much wrong for me. Brentford have the best goal difference in the league, and you could see why from their quality. If Grant had put his chance away we could have come away with a win against a side who are top of the form charts for the last 10 games having won 6, drawn 2, and lost 2 with 22 goals for and 7 against. As a team performance, which is what I think it should be judged on, it was damn good.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 19, 2020 18:55:18 GMT 1
One extra mention for Stearman...
Mate of ours and his kids sit behind the goal. The loudest voice from Town was Stearman, all half, never shut up, ordering and encouraging the others. He told Grabara off, chalobah and o brien very strongly at different times. What we might have been missing??
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 19, 2020 18:59:11 GMT 1
One extra mention for Stearman... Mate of ours and his kids sit behind the goal. The loudest voice from Town was Stearman, all half, never shut up, ordering and encouraging the others. He told Grabara off, chalobah and o brien very strongly at different times. What we might have been missing?? How to make yourself popular with your new teammates? He has probably been told it is one of the reasons he has been recruited. It is a good trait in a centre back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:59:31 GMT 1
Steersman is my favourite Stearman spelling so far At least nobody called him Sheerman yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:00:06 GMT 1
One extra mention for Stearman... Mate of ours and his kids sit behind the goal. The loudest voice from Town was Stearman, all half, never shut up, ordering and encouraging the others. He told Grabara off, chalobah and o brien very strongly at different times. What we might have been missing?? Somebody has to do it when Hogg's out.
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 19, 2020 19:12:02 GMT 1
One extra mention for Stearman... Mate of ours and his kids sit behind the goal. The loudest voice from Town was Stearman, all half, never shut up, ordering and encouraging the others. He told Grabara off, chalobah and o brien very strongly at different times. What we might have been missing?? Over the last few years we’ve tried time and again to get an influential aged centre half and failed every time This lad might just be the one. Incredible debut. Bossing folk about. Ffs. What’s that all about?? Bloody brilliant stuff
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Post by King Curtis on Jan 19, 2020 19:49:45 GMT 1
1st half performance was dreadful and could only see a Brentford win coming. 2nd half - so much better. We competed and gave them something to think about. Draw was a fair result in the end. Grabara - 6.5/10. Stearman - 9/10. Schindler - 7/10Toffolo - 8/10 Chalobah - 7/10O'Brien - 7/10Smith-Rowe - 6/10Kachunga - 3/10Grant - 5/10Campbell - 6/10SUBS: Hadergjonaj - 6/10Bacuna - 5/10King - 5/10The Cowley Brothers - 8/10Fans - 4/10 I think it is very hard to judge players individually in a game where we struggled to get possession. Brentford had their three attackers between our area and the half way line making playing out from the back very hard. They had quality all over the pitch and a lot of our work was containment, we played pretty deep most of the game. Katchunga helps Simpson with that down our right side, and they were good down both wings so we needed that. We played quite narrow probably because they are good at cutting through the middle so we squeezed their midfield, and ours. None of this makes for anyone but the defenders having a stand out game. Other than a couple of loose passes at the back nobody played badly. Grabara you gave a 6.5 but his positioning for all their shots was spot on. His catching was good and I remember one decent punch so he didn't do much wrong for me. Brentford have the best goal difference in the league, and you could see why from their quality. If Grant had put his chance away we could have come away with a win against a side who are top of the form charts for the last 10 games having won 6, drawn 2, and lost 2 with 22 goals for and 7 against. As a team performance, which is what I think it should be judged on, it was damn good. It's still a game of football - 11 v 11. We had a negative GD despite being the 3rd best team in the league in 16/17.
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Post by captainblack on Jan 19, 2020 19:57:35 GMT 1
Steersman is my favourite Stearman spelling so far I have come to the conclusion fans spell players names wrongly on purpose , Steermen is a prime example.
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