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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 18, 2022 21:56:10 GMT 1
Maybe Sorbas cryptic post last night was a reference to the players finally getting rid of MF? Was that the one about seeing the light or something Proably got to grips with his first Welsh lesson.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 18, 2022 21:57:04 GMT 1
Seems to me that the players are united against him rather than playing for him. Are they though? We came out of the traps well the other day against Watford. The effort was there if the quality wasn't quite there to match it. Aided by a vociferous home crowd too. It was only as the match wore on that there proved to be a fairly noticeable gulf in quality between the two sides. Did you have your hearing aids turned up to 11?
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Post by hthp on Dec 18, 2022 21:57:34 GMT 1
Seems to me that the players are united against him rather than playing for him. Because someone on social media says so? Really? No, just my own theory. I was reading Chris Jones' book recently and he talks about his time at York under Tom Johnston. He said the players hated Johnston, and despite York having the best period of their history under Johnston, Jones reckoned that the players being united against the manager was the reason they did well rather than it being anything to do with Johnston. It just made me think, that's all.
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Post by aca00js on Dec 18, 2022 22:02:56 GMT 1
A free transfer to get him off of the books? Would it make a difference if he did go? We aren't creating chances and the few we do, he doesn't look like converting. Another sign we are clearing the decks for league one. This rebuilding project is going to be massive. But we won't have any money to carry it out. Bromby has been punting him, Rhodes and Holmes about for a few weeks. All about cost cutting now. You make your own mind up what the club are preparing for with 24 games to go. Keep buying your tickets and half season cards though. I was hoping that these players names getting put around was with the intention of creating funds but I'm now thinking its either as you say or Bromby backing MF by getting rid of the trouble makers. Neither are in the interest of the club. Sooner we get a clean slate the better
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 18, 2022 22:05:17 GMT 1
Are they though? We came out of the traps well the other day against Watford. The effort was there if the quality wasn't quite there to match it. Aided by a vociferous home crowd too. It was only as the match wore on that there proved to be a fairly noticeable gulf in quality between the two sides. Did you have your hearing aids turned up to 11? I'm referring to the first 20-30 minutes. When the referee kept fucking up, for example. I get your point though, it's been louder.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Dec 18, 2022 22:11:00 GMT 1
Maybe Sorbas cryptic post last night was a reference to the players finally getting rid of MF? Was that the one about seeing the light or something Yeah he posted last night "we are getting closer to our light 🤔"
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Post by leroy212 on Dec 18, 2022 22:25:19 GMT 1
Was that the one about seeing the light or something Yeah he posted last night "we are getting closer to our light 🤔" YeAh saw that and thought it was an odd thing to post
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Post by deo1 on Dec 18, 2022 22:35:45 GMT 1
Should he go? I’m undecided but what I have seen is that town haven’t improved at all since he came in. He’s even had a mini preseason and got some of the injured players back and we now look worse. I’m just hoping that with a few winnable games coming up we start to improve and get some points on the board quick sharp. If not he should be gone by mid January if no improvement and points. The hope would be to bring in someone who knows what they’re doing and gives us a fighting chance of staying up. As for next season be it in the Championship or League 1 I think I’m done with town and will pick and chose my games very carefully.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 18, 2022 23:10:10 GMT 1
Because someone on social media says so? Really? No, just my own theory. I was reading Chris Jones' book recently and he talks about his time at York under Tom Johnston. He said the players hated Johnston, and despite York having the best period of their history under Johnston, Jones reckoned that the players being united against the manager was the reason they did well rather than it being anything to do with Johnston. It just made me think, that's all. Lets hope, if that is the case, that history repeats itself.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 18, 2022 23:13:59 GMT 1
Did you have your hearing aids turned up to 11? I'm referring to the first 20-30 minutes. When the referee kept fucking up, for example. I get your point though, it's been louder. There was a pretty vocal response to the ref and Watford's shithousery at the start. Their big centre back flattening Danny Ward for instance. It got quieter as the match progressed though. I think we all have a feeling of impending doom.
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 18, 2022 23:42:40 GMT 1
I don't think the question is should we sack Fotheringham, it's more a case of can we afford to sack him? Also, when he was appointed, I thought to myself it's with League 1 in mind. I wouldn't be completely surprised if Hoyle sticks to his budget long-term plans. Look at the rumoured offloading of senior players. The club have given up. Completely thrown the towel in, or that's how it appears in December. Maybe January will bring cause for optimism but I'm not holding my breath. Can we afford not to Stan ? Sorry for delay, Phil. Good question. I can only offer my opinion. I think if we keep Fotheringham, we go down. 90% I think if we replace him wisely (big ask) we could stay up. Depends who it is and how much our illustrious chairman is prepared to back him. Long term, Fotheringham might be a good option for league one. I think much of our problems are down to our forwards simply not being good enough and defensively we're better but not by much. I know plenty on here don't rate him but he's a coach, not a miracle worker. Dean Hoyle has stripped us to bare bones, a tough ask for any coach/manager. Hearing today that the players are not completely onboard with the manager is not good though and doesn't bode well for him. Bottom line, it doesn't appear to me that Dean Hoyle is prepared to fund a Championship club. I think he's resigned us to league one and is gearing us down exactly for that end.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 18, 2022 23:43:08 GMT 1
And the majority thought it was bad under Chris Powell lol. The football under this clown is fucking diabolical, it’s pure shite devoid of all ideas. Never look like scoring mixed with crap sound bites in post game interviews. As others have said with miller being brought in the guy is here for the long haul. Clap your clappers and suck it up as we are finishing bottom of the league 15+ points a drift.
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Post by alexdire on Dec 18, 2022 23:47:42 GMT 1
Was that the one about seeing the light or something Yeah he posted last night "we are getting closer to our light 🤔" January transfer window?
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 18, 2022 23:47:46 GMT 1
Adrift. It's all one word.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 19, 2022 0:11:54 GMT 1
Can we afford not to Stan ? Sorry for delay, Phil. Good question. I can only offer my opinion. I think if we keep Fotheringham, we go down. 90% I think if we replace him wisely (big ask) we could stay up. Depends who it is and how much our illustrious chairman is prepared to back him. Long term, Fotheringham might be a good option for league one. I think much of our problems are down to our forwards simply not being good enough and defensively we're better but not by much. I know plenty on here don't rate him but he's a coach, not a miracle worker. Dean Hoyle has stripped us to bare bones, a tough ask for any coach/manager. Hearing today that the players are not completely onboard with the manager is not good though and doesn't bode well for him. Bottom line, it doesn't appear to me that Dean Hoyle is prepared to fund a Championship club. I think he's resigned us to league one and is gearing us down exactly for that end. I understand that Fotheringham has been dealt a really poor hand but personally I don't think he is the man whatever the squad. I haven't been convinced by him since the very first interview and that I guess makes it very hard to be won over, especially when we are playing the football we are. Then there are his post match press conferences ! If we have even 10% more chance of staying up by replacing him then my view is that we have to replace him. We cannot afford to not sack him is therefore my view. I take your opinion and can see your reasoning though.👍
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 19, 2022 0:44:11 GMT 1
Likewise. At the end of the day we all want what's best for the club and that is trying to find a solution to this mess.
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2022 1:26:56 GMT 1
Can we afford not to Stan ? Sorry for delay, Phil. Good question. I can only offer my opinion. I think if we keep Fotheringham, we go down. 90% I think if we replace him wisely (big ask) we could stay up. Depends who it is and how much our illustrious chairman is prepared to back him. Long term, Fotheringham might be a good option for league one. I think much of our problems are down to our forwards simply not being good enough and defensively we're better but not by much. I know plenty on here don't rate him but he's a coach, not a miracle worker. Dean Hoyle has stripped us to bare bones, a tough ask for any coach/manager. Hearing today that the players are not completely onboard with the manager is not good though and doesn't bode well for him. Bottom line, it doesn't appear to me that Dean Hoyle is prepared to fund a Championship club. I think he's resigned us to league one and is gearing us down exactly for that end. The way you foresee it as playing out is the same way I can see it going. My only shred of hope is that Fotheringham is bulletted first thing Monday morning, a replacement is lined up (and not another rookie please!) with decent contacts in the game and is given a little money to spend in the January window. The fans unite behind him and we fight tooth and nail to retain our Championship status. Honestly, we keep on keeping on going into next month and we have had it. The fans will lose any remaining hope and the attendances will drop and drop which given there is still half a season to go is downright criminal. And I hope members of the hierarchy do read this forum and can still look at themselves in the mirror. Fuckin shame and fuckin shameful what’s been going on. Professional football club? Do me a favour. We’ve been run like a circus these last 6 months.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 19, 2022 1:27:46 GMT 1
A thought about a changing out Fotheringham, the same people who thought he and Schofield were good for the club will be making the selection of his replacement.
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 19, 2022 2:02:52 GMT 1
A thought about a changing out Fotheringham, the same people who thought he and Schofield were good for the club will be making the selection of his replacement. Maybe not.
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2022 2:08:05 GMT 1
A thought about a changing out Fotheringham, the same people who thought he and Schofield were good for the club will be making the selection of his replacement. Maybe not. 🤞
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Dec 19, 2022 8:17:27 GMT 1
I can say for a fact from leaked information the players don’t rate him, I have never posted a rumour before and no I am unable to say where the info came from but I can say for certain it’s 100% true. This is an understatement btw! So with this being said. If players (I would imagine key/first team/experienced players don't rate him (One would have to assume the likes of JR, JR, JH, DH, DW, maybe even LN, TL, ST etc and some have spoken out, thus club trying to flog them). So, the question is surely... Are the club willing/prepared/committed to keep him on as head coach? Or Can we find/attract someone who can be the hero for the rest of the season, grind out the necessary results and try to keep the club in the championship? Or Is that it? Accepting current state, relegation, clear the books (of players wages/assets (you'd have to think we would say goodbye to Lee Nicholls, Sorba Thomas, maybe some of the younger potential players too) and sell the club as a league one club? <<<What a waste of the last 5-7 years. Such a miserable, torrid, scary and depressing thought.
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Post by griffa on Dec 19, 2022 8:23:47 GMT 1
Yes please, it's not working, 2nd half last Saturday, we looked like a relegation team - UTT.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 19, 2022 9:36:44 GMT 1
This is an understatement btw! So with this being said. If players (I would imagine key/first team/experienced players don't rate him (One would have to assume the likes of JR, JR, JH, DH, DW, maybe even LN, TL, ST etc and some have spoken out, thus club trying to flog them). So, the question is surely... Are the club willing/prepared/committed to keep him on as head coach? Or Can we find/attract someone who can be the hero for the rest of the season, grind out the necessary results and try to keep the club in the championship? Or Is that it? Accepting current state, relegation, clear the books (of players wages/assets (you'd have to think we would say goodbye to Lee Nicholls, Sorba Thomas, maybe some of the younger potential players too) and sell the club as a league one club? <<<What a waste of the last 5-7 years. Such a miserable, torrid, scary and depressing thought. Option 3 is looking increasingly likely but needs, "and go back to 7 000 season tickets holders and gates of around 10 00", adding. But, that would be alright because we had a ride we didn't expect and have punched above our weight. I wonder if that happens those with that mindset will be as content?
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Post by runner76 on Dec 19, 2022 9:48:13 GMT 1
For Hoyle to leave Town with any kind of legacy and not tarnish his reputation, it can’t be Option 3!!!
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 19, 2022 10:06:40 GMT 1
For Hoyle to leave Town with any kind of legacy and not tarnish his reputation, it can’t be Option 3!!! Does Hoyle even really care about his legacy anymore though?
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Post by ruggedivy on Dec 19, 2022 10:11:39 GMT 1
For Hoyle to leave Town with any kind of legacy and not tarnish his reputation, it can’t be Option 3!!! Does Hoyle even really care about his legacy anymore though? No - he's checked out and ain't looking back
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 19, 2022 10:14:30 GMT 1
He’s got to go. The option to stay up is a proven manager who is looking for or can’t get an opportunity based on biases. Proven managers don’t come cheap but a manager who can’t get a go because of biases do. All they want is that opportunity.
I think we should go for either of Graham Arnold (Australian coach who has won the A-League and also coached the Olympic team so can work well with youngsters) or Kevin Muscat (won the A-League, won the J-League, has played football in the UK so understands what it’s about). Type of manager’s who are looking for a start in the UK.
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 19, 2022 10:16:58 GMT 1
Monday Morning - bottom of the league - 3 goals in 9 games - one a fluke - all from left back - deluded manager - no brass - selling 3 senior pro-s and a good young player - nowt coming in - cant afford to even recall some loan players -
Happy Xmas terriers
dean.
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Post by hthp on Dec 19, 2022 10:26:33 GMT 1
Monday Morning - bottom of the league - 3 goals in 9 games - one a fluke - all from left back - deluded manager - no brass - selling 3 senior pro-s and a good young player - nowt coming in - cant afford to even recall some loan players - Happy Xmas terriers dean. You are tiresome at times, Duncan.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Dec 19, 2022 10:42:42 GMT 1
Now Simpson had started playing maybe play Simpson & Rhodes up top. We all know Jordan can't play the lone striker. With the two wingers, or anybody, putting crosses in we might get a few goals that way.
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