Should Fotheringham be sacked?

[Deleted]

Should he be sacked?

[westislandterrier]

I’ve went no - or not yet anyway... I think January will be defining for him as after Preston North End on Boxing Day there is a run of ‘winnable’ games and he may well be able to start digging Town out of bottom place -

But lose the majority of them and I doubt he will be able to see out the rest of the season !

[DutchTownFan]

I've gone yes.

Can't stand another ¨on another day..."

[est1908]

ooooooooo look at me I've started a sack him poll...cringe worthy,

[Deleted]

He should have been sacked twice already and should never have been given the job. He is so obviously out of his depth I don't understand how he could convince Bromby or Hoyle he was th man for the job. Its embarrassing.

If there is not a significant and immediate change we are down.

[robinvar]

He should never have been appointed in the first place. Too late now.

[wildhogg]

I agree with the point made by someone else on a different thread. He's a patsy, a fall-guy who obviously wasn't going to cut the mustard and has been set up to take the fans' flak. The decision to appoint him was absolutely illogical. He's said a lot about his ambition to become a successful manager, well his best option would be to resign.

[Terrier Ramone]

Is there any point in paying more money to get him out? I doubt Dean will do that.

Who would come who could actually make a difference, knowing that when we do get a new owner, he'll probably be sacked anyway?

[dugnet]

What has happened since Wembley, and has ultimately led to MF being our coach, beggars belief. I feel he's been given an impossible job.

I am not surprised that we have had the break and, still, don't look like winning games.

We are in a complete mess.

We continue to look to off load players so unless, much, better are coming in what is going to change? I would suggest nothing at all.

I found his assessment of yesterday's game, although positive, complete nonsense and for that reason alone I'd make a change.

The only solution in our circumstances ie I don't see us appointing anyone credible, is to ask Chico to take the reins and see what he can do. I think the fans would support him and he can take a "nothing to lose" outlook.

Unless there is a footballing miracle we are in League One and we need to accept that and look forward to preparing for it.

[boooothy]

I don’t know, because i’ve absolutely zero clue what’s going on behind the scenes. I don’t even know who owns my football club.

[space hardware]

Incredibly, we look even worse than we did before the World Cup break, and that's quite impressive in its own horrifying way.

For a club which hasn't got two farthings to rub together, what exactly was the point of that expensive Jolly Boys Outing to Spain? Money just spaffed up against the wall, at a time where every conceivable penny is being wrung out of the playing staff.

I genuinely don't think Fotheringham would be a success coaching a team at the level of a Farsley or a Liversedge. His pre and post match interviews are embarrassing to the point of being unwatchable now. He can't honestly believe what he's saying, surely.

He should be sacked (he should never have got the job, to be fair) but he won't be. We'll just bumble along at the bottom until the mess off the field is resolved. At that point he'll be relieved of his duties, unless the next owner is another know-nothing charlatan.

[mids]

Someone is running the club on a day to day basis.

Whoever that is needs to realise we have 24 league games left, and a new manager/coach might get a different tune out if this group, and get us enough points to scrape to safety.

The longer Fat Paddy fumbles through more days and matches the less likely we are to stay up.

He is without doubt the worst manager in my time since 1979. He's like a competition winner who is wholly out of his depth. Clueless. No plan, no ideas, unable to change things, and clearly struggling from day one.

His comments are also imbecilic jibberish...and laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Sack him today and bring in someone who can lead men. Experienced, or not. I don't care. But someone who can lead, who has ideas, and can be both reactive and proactive.

[iangreaves]

Dec 18, 2022 10:55:01 GMT 1 mids said:

Someone is running the club on a day to day basis.

Whoever that is needs to realise we have 24 league games left, and a new manager/coach might get a different tune out if this group, and get us enough points to scrape to safety.

The longer Fat Paddy fumbles through more days and matches the less likely we are to stay up.

He is without doubt the worst manager in my time since 1979. He's like a competition winner who is wholly out of his depth. Clueless. No plan, no ideas, unable to change things, and clearly struggling from day one.

His comments are also imbecilic jibberish...and laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Sack him today and bring in someone who can lead men. Experienced, or not. I don't care. But someone who can lead, who has ideas, and can be both reactive and proactive.

Who are you going to replace him with? If you are looking for someone who knows what they are doing, the first question they will ask is, ‘What have I got to spend in January?’

[specialun]

He should never have been appointed

Whilst partly responsible for this debacle, I can’t imagine Bromby was stupid enough to give him a 3 year contract without suitable conditions - and therefore assume we can afford to get rid

MF is in a difficult position with a much weaker squad than last year (but he knew that) and issues off the pitch - this isn’t an easy job for anyone. I said last season if we failed to get promoted we’d be lower half this season

But not 7 adrift! The squad as weak as it is, is better than that

He has been here 13 games and had a pre season. Whilst he’s cringy / uncomfortable to listen to, talks about himself too much and you feel like he’d fall out in an empty room - he could get away with all that & operating like Cowdenbeath under 7s if we looked like a football team on the pitch

We have no consistent shape, attacking pattern. If we did anything in 4 week break, that should have been it. I see no improvement or plan

We have scored 3 goals in 9 games - all from left back. One was a cross & two from Ruffels at QPR. Disgraceful.

[duncfost01]

Dec 18, 2022 1:37:45 GMT 1 est1908 said:

ooooooooo look at me I've started a sack him poll...cringe worthy,

Ooh look at you from your pompous position of self righteousness. If he wants to start a poll he can.

[captainblack]

Dec 18, 2022 1:37:45 GMT 1 est1908 said:

ooooooooo look at me I've started a sack him poll...cringe worthy,

The thread states "should he be sacked?" it does not say sack him,
to be fair to the poster.

[wiltshireterrier]

Exactly who do we replace him with? We've backed ourselves into a corner of our own making. What respectable championship experienced manager will want to take this shit show over?

Ownership issues, no brass, actively offloading our more experienced players, bottom of the league adrift by 5 points and the list could go on.

All we would be left with would be some chancer from league 1 and below who fancy a crack at a higher level. I know nothing really about football below championship level(wait till next season) so can't offer a potential name.

[scutcher]

For those of you who stayed to the end you would have seen Rhodes fire over the bar from a few yards! Wouldn't have made any difference of course. But this summed it up for me. We can't score when we get the chance. We will pass it to someone else rather take on a shot etc. The confidence is rock bottom just as it was before Fotheringham arrived. Watford broke with 5 or six players at speed and our defence isn't good enough to cope. We were lucky to concede only 2!
So to all you experts out there who could turn this around?

[mids]

Dec 18, 2022 11:05:07 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Dec 18, 2022 10:55:01 GMT 1 mids said:

Someone is running the club on a day to day basis.

Whoever that is needs to realise we have 24 league games left, and a new manager/coach might get a different tune out if this group, and get us enough points to scrape to safety.

The longer Fat Paddy fumbles through more days and matches the less likely we are to stay up.

He is without doubt the worst manager in my time since 1979. He's like a competition winner who is wholly out of his depth. Clueless. No plan, no ideas, unable to change things, and clearly struggling from day one.

His comments are also imbecilic jibberish...and laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Sack him today and bring in someone who can lead men. Experienced, or not. I don't care. But someone who can lead, who has ideas, and can be both reactive and proactive.

Who are you going to replace him with? If you are looking for someone who knows what they are doing, the first question they will ask is, ‘What have I got to spend in January?’

There would be many applicants. Plenty of them will back themselves to organise this group to pick up enough points. As for investment the person in charge would tell them and the applicant would accept or not.

Either way there won't be much/anything to spend. I'd trust the club's future in anyone's hands more than Fat Paddy...money or not.

In fact giving him any money to spend would be scary. I wouldn't trust him to go the corner shop and buy some coffee...he'd probably come back with some crayons... and chocolate smudged all over his face.

[detox]

It seems increasingly like the club has gone dormant, so who would make the decision to sack him anyway..nobody is making any decisive decisions are they. And if he's sacked , and we pay up the 2.5 years ;eft on his contract..who do we bring in that can get a tune out of the broken strings of a squad we have ?

So I've said no...there's no point..we look like we're already relegated and come January we won't sign anyone because we'll be 15 points adrift of safety..

[Yuta be a terrier]

Dec 18, 2022 11:20:18 GMT 1 scutcher said:

For those of you who stayed to the end you would have seen Rhodes fire over the bar from a few yards! Wouldn't have made any difference of course. But this summed it up for me. We can't score when we get the chance. We will pass it to someone else rather take on a shot etc. The confidence is rock bottom just as it was before Fotheringham arrived. Watford broke with 5 or six players at speed and our defence isn't good enough to cope. We were lucky to concede only 2!
So to all you experts out there who could turn this around?

What would a relegation escapolgist like Warnock do? He'd get his team to put as much pressure on the opposition as possible, get them turned around with long balls and rough them up a bit. Not suggesting we go for Warnock but my point is there is a way of playing when you're scrapping at the bottom and we ain't doing it at present.

[tepidterrier]

He's crap, but he shouldn't be sacked. Nobody with half a brain would see this as an attractive proposition- a near enough guaranteed relegation on the CV, with no money for much needed reinforcements in January, with the club planning to use it to asset strip.

All credit to Mark for openly stating that there's no money, but he's up for the challenge. And it's a good thing he is, because I can't think of another manager in the 92 that would be.

If it was known that this takeover situation would be happening, we shouldn't have appointed someone inexperienced to learn on the job, especially after already making that mistake once this season. We needed a good firefighter who'd been round the block a few times and could work better with the squad he was given. Too late now.

[Waterloo Terrier]

Warnock would also have a better relationship with his players. The first thing Fotheringham did after Watford’s first goal was berate Ward. Hardly the actions of a guy trying to inspire his team.

[captainblack]

I don't enjoy seeing managers being sacked , but obviously at
times it becomes necessary , I remember when things started
going wrong for Brian Horton, I watched Town at home and
the football was dreadful, and not unlike now we looked
unlikely to score, ,I said to a friend "he's got to go".
He was sacked on the Monday.

I feel MF is in a similar position , I feel for him , we have
a weak squad , who if not bolstered in January look to be on
the way down. If he manages to keep his position I don't
believe he has a lot of time left , I could see him being
sacked on Monday , It really has become that bad.

[heffingdream44]

I think that he should go, but I’d be surprised if he isn’t the last manager under the DH era. Personally I think he’s here because it works for the club. Our chairman has given up, so no reputable manager would ever want to work for him (and in the conditions the club expect the manager to work under). DH has a man that avoids any questions asked to him, tries to big up the crap players we have, big up his own abilities and is happy to keep doing so until further notice. It also works for the manager. He has a job at a championship club, where as soon as the ownership changes he will be sacked. As soon as that happens he’ll walk away with a tidy financial package and a championship club on his CV.

The only people it doesn’t work for is the fans. Unfortunately now that the club doesn’t care, the fans will suffer. Season ticket prices will go up, the communication will be zero and most of our players will be sold. We can only hope that things are getting worse, to eventually get better. I do think that Dean will sell to anyone that will give him his money back, which worries me. But that’s his decision to make.

Fingers crossed for that Saudi prince! Have a great Christmas guys!

[rockwall]

I have gone yes, simple reason, it is an absolute bore fest and his interviews are laughable.

[Million Dollar Babies]

We need to win games to survive. To win games you have to score goals. His style of play is creating zero in open play. Yes the players aren't great but they're not as bad as 1 goal from open play since he took over.

We would have a better chance of staying up going all out 90s Wimbledon route 1 tactics.

[joek]

Absolutely not. We’re in a total mess but I don’t think much, or indeed any of it, is of his own making.

- This is not the same team as last year
- He did not sign any of the players
- He is not responsible for the finances
- He is not responsible for freak injuries incurred in matches
- He is not responsible for Huddersfield having some of the most entitled and short-sighted supporters in the football world (look at the arrogance/naivety/sheer not-on-this-planet mentality on the ‘which owners do we want thread’
- He is not responsible for our abysmal start to the season
- He is not responsible for off-the-field issues at board level

I think he’s playing a bad hand as well as anyone else would or could. Not sure what sacking another manager achieves, especially after a 4-week mini pre-season.

Lads behind me at Birmingham in game 2 of the season chanting about Forest Green away sort of sum up the Town fans that drive me mad. They’d given up already. Support the players, support the manager: what else is there to do?

Appreciate I’m in a small minority here by the way! Merry Christmas!!!

Edited because I forgot to say that I think a lot of ill will towards him is because he’s not media savvy. I couldn’t give a shiny shit about that. Look at the early comments about his appointment if you need proof.

[Dan]

If ever there was a time to press the Warnock button it is now.

The cost of pressing that button however will be through the roof. Just think of the amount he would need paying to come out of retirement and move back to Holmfirth from Cornwall for 6 months, for a club 7 points adrift, and for a club where all the top earners are being binned off in January for some loans. Why on earth would he choose to come out of retirement for that?

[overtonterrierspirit]

Dec 18, 2022 10:30:37 GMT 1 dugnet said:

What has happened since Wembley, and has ultimately led to MF being our coach, beggars belief. I feel he's been given an impossible job.

I am not surprised that we have had the break and, still, don't look like winning games.

We are in a complete mess.

We continue to look to off load players so unless, much, better are coming in what is going to change? I would suggest nothing at all.

I found his assessment of yesterday's game, although positive, complete nonsense and for that reason alone I'd make a change.

The only solution in our circumstances ie I don't see us appointing anyone credible, is to ask Chico to take the reins and see what he can do. I think the fans would support him and he can take a "nothing to lose" outlook.

Unless there is a footballing miracle we are in League One and we need to accept that and look forward to preparing for it.

When Chico was in charge , just for that very short time, things looked great. Electric atmosphere in the ground, team playing with aggression and positivity etc.