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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:19:09 GMT 1
Whilst I agree with most of what Rambo says there is always room for improvement.
But without the charity work we do we wouldn't get the media attention such as Henry Winter tweeting about p4p5 or the breakfast clubs. Also IMO football clubs have a duty to do work in the community, after all that's where they will pick up their fan base.
BUT - (apologies for getting off topic) The marketing has been poor for a while, whilst ATT is a terrific idea I doubt it will deal with the inherent problems that aren't to do with match day experience. Things such as charging students full whack now when they off Hudds Uni students (often not Town fans)£10 tickets, you lose your original fan base.
Clibbens might go on twitter but doesn't like it when you pull him up on something, same goes for Jarvis who was showed info about commercial revenue and got very defensive, had that tweeter been more critical he's have been made to look silly.
How could it be improved Tog? Rather than getting random fans who take a survey involved with 'fan engagement' get people or fans with good ideas involved with the club, in fact why not employ them because they would probably do a better job than whoever's working for the club now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:20:58 GMT 1
Tog definitely agree with all you say as for the marketing I think there are areas of improvement in their CRM, ie they spam the username with partner emails that dilutes the proper messages they want to sent. The strategy seems throw it at everyone and hope some sticks Also the targeting is poor, eg I have a season ticket but still get emails about pay on the day for the next home game. It's sloppy and gives the impression that you're a number rather than a valued fan There are also ways the club could geo target fans with adverts on Facebook and other online display networks - worth a punt around season ticket renewal time? I also posted a while back on the lack of joined up thinking with these promo offers. Ie I took a friend to Reading via a promo but the offer was in the Riverside Upper and to sit with my mate cost me a tenner in a admin fee (£5 to move my seat and my Dad who I sit with). It should have been waived IMO for that game for ST holders moving to Riverside Upper Tier. It's no incentive to encourage your mates down when it costs you a tenner to sit with them Versus Burnley I again tried to intro a new fan but was slow taking up the friend for a fiver offer( my fault i admit)I rang the ticket office a few days before the game and was told "offer closed you can only pay full price". The girl literally couldn't get off the phone fast enough. Not how to treat a loyal customer but more inportantly why close the offer in any case. I understand on the day but a few days before would make sense. Club lost a fiver and more importantly the chance to win a new fan I also don't see much "value ad" as a fan on htafc.com a lot of the interesting articles are buried under commercial partner stories. I think they need to relook at the balance of content I think the club have come on leaps and bounds but IMO there are areas for improvement I think constructive and structured feedback like this should always be encouraged. It's not a moan or a whine on your part, but good honest feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:42:24 GMT 1
Marketing could definitely be improved massively. Our one size fits all approach seems to concentrate on the older demographic. That's fine, and we are an absolute credit when it comes to charitable work BUT our future lies in the younger generation, teenagers who are spoon fed premier league and world football at the highest level.
We do NOTHING to market this demographic. It doesn't take long to put some goal videos together with a banging soundtrack or something even remotely 'cool' - as a 35 year old who still refuses to grow up, I see Town as a club run by traditionalists, who market the club in the same manner. Whilst I love that, I can't help but feel we are way off target if we want to build a larger fan base. Let's face it, to the non town fan, we are as uncool as it gets.
Find and target the most rewarding demographic and we will succeed, carry on as we are and we will have to happy with our lot because we will never grow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:46:29 GMT 1
Think that is a fair and genuine reflection of the club at the minute.
I often read many threads and decide not to contribute my own views but felt compelled to add my twopenneth to this discussion. Speaking as a fan, what are the club not doing to engage the fans that they should be doing?
I realise they're not everybody's cup of tea, but how many chairmen/owners, chief execs, commercial directors, club secretaries/director of operations and directors of football operations arrange regular QnA sessions for both member's groups (HTSA, Patrons etc) and for the whole fanbase prior to home fixtures. And at a recently purchased/expensively and extensively refurbished venue to facilitate such gatherings. Not to mention the director of football operations attending such a QnA when the first team are on their worst run for ? - over a decade I'd guess? And not ducking any of the questions? And the only one he didn't know the answer to, was answered by the chief exec who was in attendance at the back of the room, and was fielding questions in person from the supporter base? Etc, etc, etc....... And how many football club chief execs engage in twitter discussions with supporters? Is the current perceived lack of engagement by the football club with its' fans - "As things stand, Hudds Town is a club that does cycle rides, feeds kids and supports helicopters, all very worthy, but it fails on the most important job of engaging the actual fans of the football team" - down to the poor run of the 1st XI since March 2nd rather than the actual lack of engagement with the fans by the board? The implication here is that all that matters is the results of the 1st XI - everybody knows this is paramount - but I'm bloody proud to be a lifelong fan of a football club which uses its position in the local community for the benefit of so many in the community, and not just their own supporters. If this is lack of engagement by my football club with my fellow supporters, then I'm all for it. HTAFC are probably the best bar none at engaging with their supporters, IMO, of course. But it can no doubt be improved, so' I'll repeat the question: how should HTAFC be engaging with its' supporters in a way it currently isn't? Which if you're in amongst that every Sat morning probably leaves you feeling very positive. However, the *vast* majority of fans are not at Canalside. The other point of course is that is public relations, and not marketing, which is what I was on about, which has DEFINITELY taken a few steps backwards in the last year or two. We had slick and inventive kit launches, effort and engagement around season ticket sales, and it's more or less gone. To be honest, I think a lot of it has to do with the club taking what seems to be a slight dereliction of duty and commitment to the stadium operations... We had the ludicrous situation where the match day announcer didn't acknowledge the stadium sponsor for an entire season for example... Whilst at the same time the club were publicly lambasting a local pub for "refusing" to support Town financially... Why on earth would they, ignoring that it's a pub managed by Leeds supporters. I think whilst it's easy to focus on as the brand new shiny thing, the club would do well to remember that most fans will never visit "the training facility and social club just off Leeds Road".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:52:58 GMT 1
If they performed any slick marketing campaign, it would only be met with cynicism or at best apathy anyway. I'm sure some incomprehensibly believe DH is pocketing the Rhodes cash or somehow expecting to make a profit from Canalside. Having lost interest with poor football and results, exacerbated with the the awful atmosphere this creates, no 'promises' are going to make much difference. Scrap most of the marketing budget and just use the money for improving the first eleven, or wait til after 2 or 3 decent signings when the awful vibe we have now has faded. However, if I was DH I wouldn't be delving far into my own pockets anymore. I suspect most of the same people will moan no matter high we get, as they adjust their expectations and those who don't attend will still find an excuse not to open their wallet or get off their fat arse. Just to add I find so called 'fans' threatening the club with not renewing their season tickets abhorrent. If you don't want to renew then fine but don't use it as a stick to beat the club with. The club have done all they can for the supporters over the past 5 years and it's such a smack in the face to hold your club to ransom like that. If you genuinely cannot afford then fine but don't be an arse with the club you supposedly support. I will miss plenty of games next season due to my shifts but have still decided to get a ticket on the drip, they are my club and will always get my support. I`m witholding my ST money at the moment. I don`t want to be paying out yet again IF we end up in L1 .ST have IMO to be renewed far too soon? plus I`m sick to death of being reminded by e-mail and text to renew!! I might end up not renewing? ?? and pay on the day being selective about which matches I go to and how we are playing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:01:04 GMT 1
2 x loanees on £8k a week for 16 weeks since January = £256k. Equates to roughly 750 season tickets next season. If we were chasing a top half finish having avoided our slump would they have more than paid for themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:05:38 GMT 1
The flaw in introducing SC's so far ahead of the seasons end I think...and the free interest offer, which has now expired means pay on the day will be considered more of an option for some. If and when the Pick n MIx comes out, that too might be better holding off for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:21:29 GMT 1
Just to add I find so called 'fans' threatening the club with not renewing their season tickets abhorrent. If you don't want to renew then fine but don't use it as a stick to beat the club with. The club have done all they can for the supporters over the past 5 years and it's such a smack in the face to hold your club to ransom like that. If you genuinely cannot afford then fine but don't be an arse with the club you supposedly support. I will miss plenty of games next season due to my shifts but have still decided to get a ticket on the drip, they are my club and will always get my support. I`m witholding my ST money at the moment. I don`t want to be paying out yet again IF we end up in L1 .ST have IMO to be renewed far too soon? plus I`m sick to death of being reminded by e-mail and text to renew!! I might end up not renewing? ?? and pay on the day being selective about which matches I go to and how we are playing. Youre sick to death of contact, but us non season ticket holders that are on the database have received NO communication encouraging us to come back. The balance is wrong somewhere. (Not that im complaining, i can see the price, i know the product, and how often i'll be able to partake, THATS what makes my decision...although i'm sure theres ex or never had a season ticket holding fans out there more responsive to encouragement to buy again). Obviously retaining existing customers is important, but look at any other subscription service, the focus is on the *potential* customers.
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 20, 2014 12:33:38 GMT 1
HTAFC are probably the best bar none at engaging with their supporters. I'll repeat the question: how should HTAFC be engaging with its' supporters in a way it currently isn't? Not sure how you'll have arrived at the first conclusion I've quoted or how much of a conclusion can be reached from the comment. How much exposure do you have to how other clubs engage with supporters & how much interest do you actually take in how supporters of other clubs are treated. I can only speak from personal experience but if we are the best the God help the worst because I've no real reason to believe we're that good. In recent years I had cause to contact the club in writing on three separate occasions (including one serious matter and one very relevant to me) . Each time the response was (IMHO) very very poor and nothing like the picture some portray of how open and fan orientated we are. So responding appropriately to written communication would be a start. I'm a season ticket holder (renewed) travelling many miles to watch Town each year. These responses and their attitude has undoubtedly soured my feelings towards the organisation. With these and other actions over the years, I really struggle to see them as a club these days as they act so much more like a business than a club. Sh8*te football hasn't put me off supporting Town over many years but the attitude of people involved in the administration of the club is starting to wear very very thin. I wouldn't accept it from any other business and only feelings buried deep inside grown over many years mean I tolerate it now. If my lad were to stop supporting Town now for whatever reason, I don't believe I would continue bothering to travel so far to be a customer of just a mere business (which is I'm afraid increasingly how I feel about Huddersfield Town these days).
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Post by terrier1987cas on Apr 20, 2014 12:39:27 GMT 1
Our marketing has been the same for a while - we seem to know what we want to do but have no actual strategy in place to achieve it. A lot of what we do has a 'make it up as you go along' feel to it which suggests a lack of a proper marcomms plan as much as anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:52:25 GMT 1
Fed up hearing people use the wage budget excuse
Every season there are teams that go up with smaller budgets and ones that go down with massive budgets. There is far more to it than just money
I get the feeling many on here expect and accept that we are going to be like Barnsley have during the last ten years, fighting relegation every single season. But why can't we be a Burnley, a club of similar size to Barnsley, who have spent plenty of time around mid table but also managed to achieve promotion on a small budget twice.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 20, 2014 13:00:18 GMT 1
Speaking personally I'm not that bothered about going to Q an A sessions or listening to marketing strategies. I just want to go for a few beers with my mates and watch a bit of half decent footy with some semblance of attacking intent, IMO this has been sadly and the dross being served up by the manager and players has been pathetic.
It's not saying much though for next season when the club has now resorted to the Director of football trying to placate the fans by stating transfer targets that he's knows we can't / won't pay the wages of before he's even started. Why come out and say we'd Chris Wood when we know full well we won't pay his wages ? Smacks of desperation to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 13:07:18 GMT 1
Speaking personally I'm not that bothered about going to Q an A sessions or listening to marketing strategies. I just want to go for a few beers with my mates and watch a bit of half decent footy with some semblance of attacking intent, IMO this has been sadly and the dross being served up by the manager and players has been pathetic. It's not saying much though for next season when the club has now resorted to the Director of football trying to placate the fans by stating transfer targets that he's knows we can't / won't pay the wages of before he's even started. Why come out and say we'd Chris Wood when we know full well we won't pay his wages ? Smacks of desperation to me. Because it was an honest answer to a direct question at the Q+A.Not a case of the club trying to get the fans hopes up.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 20, 2014 13:10:03 GMT 1
Fed up hearing people use the wage budget excuse Every season there are teams that go up with smaller budgets and ones that go down with massive budgets. There is far more to it than just money I get the feeling many on here expect and accept that we are going to be like Barnsley have during the last ten years, fighting relegation every single season. But why can't we be a Burnley, a club of similar size to Barnsley, who have spent plenty of time around mid table but also managed to achieve promotion on a small budget twice. Burnley were tipped for relegation at the start of the season I think we should aspire to do our best and win every game - that's a obvious statement - and "hope" rather that "expect" to be able to do a burnley
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 20, 2014 13:24:21 GMT 1
Speaking personally I'm not that bothered about going to Q an A sessions or listening to marketing strategies. I just want to go for a few beers with my mates and watch a bit of half decent footy with some semblance of attacking intent, IMO this has been sadly and the dross being served up by the manager and players has been pathetic. It's not saying much though for next season when the club has now resorted to the Director of football trying to placate the fans by stating transfer targets that he's knows we can't / won't pay the wages of before he's even started. Why come out and say we'd Chris Wood when we know full well we won't pay his wages ? Smacks of desperation to me. Because it was an honest answer to a direct question at the Q+A.Not a case of the club trying to get the fans hopes up. I just can't understand the logic. You can understand someone on here suggesting unrealistic transfer targets as us 'laymen' are purely speculating on the wages that said players are on. He might just as well say we'd like to sign Xavi and Inesta but their wage demands fall out of our means. If Ross Wilson is spending his time looking at transfer targets miles out of our reach he's not being very productive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 13:34:59 GMT 1
Fed up hearing people use the wage budget excuse Every season there are teams that go up with smaller budgets and ones that go down with massive budgets. There is far more to it than just money I get the feeling many on here expect and accept that we are going to be like Barnsley have during the last ten years, fighting relegation every single season. But why can't we be a Burnley, a club of similar size to Barnsley, who have spent plenty of time around mid table but also managed to achieve promotion on a small budget twice. Burnley were tipped for relegation at the start of the seasonI think we should aspire to do our best and win every game - that's a obvious statement - and "hope" rather that "expect" to be able to do a burnley Along with Bournemouth by the experts on here
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 20, 2014 13:41:00 GMT 1
Burnley were tipped for relegation at the start of the seasonI think we should aspire to do our best and win every game - that's a obvious statement - and "hope" rather that "expect" to be able to do a burnley Along with Bournemouth by the experts on here More went for Blackpool (and some came on here to remind them after a good start). Suspect they may well be proved right.
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Post by Melc on Apr 20, 2014 14:31:33 GMT 1
Just to add I find so called 'fans' threatening the club with not renewing their season tickets abhorrent. If you don't want to renew then fine but don't use it as a stick to beat the club with. The club have done all they can for the supporters over the past 5 years and it's such a smack in the face to hold your club to ransom like that. If you genuinely cannot afford then fine but don't be an arse with the club you supposedly support. I will miss plenty of games next season due to my shifts but have still decided to get a ticket on the drip, they are my club and will always get my support. I don't understand why so many fans are throwing their toys out of the pram? We're on for our highest finish in 14 years, sure we've hit a speed bump lately, but surely every fan must have faith in a chairman who's constantly put his hand in his pocket for the past 6 years to do the right thing? If we lose our last 3, then Robins may go... If they think it's the players, then more will be brought in. Do a lot of these threatening to not renew have ridiculous expectations? I sometimes think that some Town fans don't deserve Dean Hoyle, the stadium, Canalside and Championship football. Perhaps they've become accustomed to being a big fish in a small pond and winning more than our fair share, because a lot don't seem to understand that about 90% pay better wages and pay more money than what Town do in this league and ergo we're probably in a position where our wage bill reflects - a wage bill subsidised by an excellent chairman. Buy yer season tickets you miserable lot, and lets give it a go next season. Many fans are frustrated by the run of current form and who can blame them, but going on about how the club has lost it's way regarding the fans etc is simply plain daft! The club has come on leaps and bounds behind the scenes commercially etc, but as many point out the first team and how it is doing come first in many supporters eyes. Hopefully we have enough in us to get over the line and stay in the Championship, but lessons have to be learned as next season we can not be in another battle at the bottom. I suspect Robins will still be here and if that is the case he has got to learn from his mistakes especially in the transfer market, as this season has proved to be a disaster with the likes of Paterson, Stead, and Lopez. Quality and winners are needed in the summer and with a little luck who knows, Burnley fans where calling for their managers head this time last year so you never know. Season ticket for next season already sorted we have to believe!!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 20, 2014 15:18:21 GMT 1
Someone made a good point about Canalside earlier on in the thread about not everyone wanting to go and use the facilities there. I'd count myself in that, I've no intention of ever going down there on a matchday and I'm willing to bet that the fans that do go all live on that side of Huddersfield Bradley/HD2 areas and in Mirfield/Heavy Woollen. I live in Almondbury and its the wrong side of Town for me, its just easy to go into town before the game as I use public transport to get to games I'd have to hop on a bus down there too.
On Canalside too, why do you have to pay to get in? Isn't that you're buying the beer and food enough?
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Post by terrierng on Apr 20, 2014 15:30:31 GMT 1
Someone made a good point about Canalside earlier on in the thread about not everyone wanting to go and use the facilities there. I'd count myself in that, I've no intention of ever going down there on a matchday and I'm willing to bet that the fans that do go all live on that side of Huddersfield Bradley/HD2 areas and in Mirfield/Heavy Woollen. I live in Almondbury and its the wrong side of Town for me, its just easy to go into town before the game as I use public transport to get to games I'd have to hop on a bus down there too. On Canalside too, why do you have to pay to get in? Isn't that you're buying the beer and food enough? Members dont pay mate, and if your a blue and white member your membership is free, totally understand you not going as using buses is bad enough without an extra one but there is plenty of parking if you drive down and its free for members, I come in from that end as im from brighouse so its convenient for me but it is a fair walk from the town centre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 17:13:56 GMT 1
I`m witholding my ST money at the moment. I don`t want to be paying out yet again IF we end up in L1 .ST have IMO to be renewed far too soon? plus I`m sick to death of being reminded by e-mail and text to renew!! I might end up not renewing? ?? and pay on the day being selective about which matches I go to and how we are playing. Youre sick to death of contact, but us non season ticket holders that are on the database have received NO communication encouraging us to come back. The balance is wrong somewhere. (Not that im complaining, i can see the price, i know the product, and how often i'll be able to partake, THATS what makes my decision...although i'm sure theres ex or never had a season ticket holding fans out there more responsive to encouragement to buy again). Obviously retaining existing customers is important, but look at any other subscription service, the focus is on the *potential* customers. I agree that if you are in anyway on Town`s books then you should also be contacted. Its all a bit "cack handed" to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 17:28:20 GMT 1
I don't understand why so many fans are throwing their toys out of the pram? We're on for our highest finish in 14 years, sure we've hit a speed bump lately, but surely every fan must have faith in a chairman who's constantly put his hand in his pocket for the past 6 years to do the right thing? If we lose our last 3, then Robins may go... If they think it's the players, then more will be brought in. Do a lot of these threatening to not renew have ridiculous expectations? I sometimes think that some Town fans don't deserve Dean Hoyle, the stadium, Canalside and Championship football. Perhaps they've become accustomed to being a big fish in a small pond and winning more than our fair share, because a lot don't seem to understand that about 90% pay better wages and pay more money than what Town do in this league and ergo we're probably in a position where our wage bill reflects - a wage bill subsidised by an excellent chairman. Buy yer season tickets you miserable lot, and lets give it a go next season. Many fans are frustrated by the run of current form and who can blame them, but going on about how the club has lost it's way regarding the fans etc is simply plain daft! The club has come on leaps and bounds behind the scenes commercially etc, but as many point out the first team and how it is doing come first in many supporters eyes. Hopefully we have enough in us to get over the line and stay in the Championship, but lessons have to be learned as next season we can not be in another battle at the bottom. I suspect Robins will still be here and if that is the case he has got to learn from his mistakes especially in the transfer market, as this season has proved to be a disaster with the likes of Paterson, Stead, and Lopez. Quality and winners are needed in the summer and with a little luck who knows, Burnley fans where calling for their managers head this time last year so you never know. Season ticket for next season already sorted we have to believe!! Ugh, not these "mistakes" again... Again it goes to too much expectation for me. Lopez, Stead and Paterson came in because we had to reduce the wage bill by 2m to get in line with FFP. Vaughan took the majority of the budget, so with limited funds, what else is MR supposed to have done? He's certainly not going to sign Chris Wood on 25k pw as well is he. Plus again, why are we too good to be scrapping at the bottom? Wolves will come up and replace Yeovil, that's a club coming up with more clout than us again.. We'll be in the bottom 5 for budgets and transfers again - so why should we expect to be pushing on even more? Where is this divine right? We might get a clean run with no injuries and things might click, but there are no guarantees. If less renew their season tickets then we'll be coasting towards bottom 3 for budgets.. Unless people get off their arses, get down to the ground and bring friends to push the crowds and match day income up then we'll continue to be hamstrung by FFP and be scuttling around the bargain bins trying to uncover hidden gems. People need to understand what we are and taper expectations, and the more that start doing that and get behind the team, then the better we'll become.
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 20, 2014 17:43:13 GMT 1
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Post by terrierng on Apr 20, 2014 17:43:59 GMT 1
Many fans are frustrated by the run of current form and who can blame them, but going on about how the club has lost it's way regarding the fans etc is simply plain daft! The club has come on leaps and bounds behind the scenes commercially etc, but as many point out the first team and how it is doing come first in many supporters eyes. Hopefully we have enough in us to get over the line and stay in the Championship, but lessons have to be learned as next season we can not be in another battle at the bottom. I suspect Robins will still be here and if that is the case he has got to learn from his mistakes especially in the transfer market, as this season has proved to be a disaster with the likes of Paterson, Stead, and Lopez. Quality and winners are needed in the summer and with a little luck who knows, Burnley fans where calling for their managers head this time last year so you never know. Season ticket for next season already sorted we have to believe!! Ugh, not these "mistakes" again... Again it goes to too much expectation for me. Lopez, Stead and Paterson came in because we had to reduce the wage bill by 2m to get in line with FFP. Vaughan took the majority of the budget, so with limited funds, what else is MR supposed to have done? He's certainly not going to sign Chris Wood on 25k pw as well is he. Plus again, why are we too good to be scrapping at the bottom? Wolves will come up and replace Yeovil, that's a club coming up with more clout than us again.. We'll be in the bottom 5 for budgets and transfers again - so why should we expect to be pushing on even more? Where is this divine right? We might get a clean run with no injuries and things might click, but there are no guarantees. If less renew their season tickets then we'll be coasting towards bottom 3 for budgets.. Unless people get off their arses, get down to the ground and bring friends to push the crowds and match day income up then we'll continue to be hamstrung by FFP and be scuttling around the bargain bins trying to uncover hidden gems. People need to understand what we are and taper expectations, and the more that start doing that and get behind the team, then the better we'll become. Whilst your spot on in everything you say the 11 on the pitch have to match any effort off it, the main reason people may not renew isnt just results its the way the players actually play. ..most folk will accept losing if they can see the effort has been put in, too many times this season the players havnt done that and some of them have been disgraceful despite having obvious talent. ..donny Blackpool Ipswich are no way better than us but made us look like a pub team....if the players cant be arsed and make no mistake some can't how can anyone be expected to pay to watch it,?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 18:13:05 GMT 1
I don't want big names just 11 players who get stuck in and look like they give a shit.we have 3 or. 4 who do at the moment
when Holmes came on the other week he ran his arse off and got the crowd going.its not that hard to do that once a week for 90mins is it ? Really
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 18:58:00 GMT 1
Ugh, not these "mistakes" again... Again it goes to too much expectation for me. Lopez, Stead and Paterson came in because we had to reduce the wage bill by 2m to get in line with FFP. Vaughan took the majority of the budget, so with limited funds, what else is MR supposed to have done? He's certainly not going to sign Chris Wood on 25k pw as well is he. Plus again, why are we too good to be scrapping at the bottom? Wolves will come up and replace Yeovil, that's a club coming up with more clout than us again.. We'll be in the bottom 5 for budgets and transfers again - so why should we expect to be pushing on even more? Where is this divine right? We might get a clean run with no injuries and things might click, but there are no guarantees. If less renew their season tickets then we'll be coasting towards bottom 3 for budgets.. Unless people get off their arses, get down to the ground and bring friends to push the crowds and match day income up then we'll continue to be hamstrung by FFP and be scuttling around the bargain bins trying to uncover hidden gems. People need to understand what we are and taper expectations, and the more that start doing that and get behind the team, then the better we'll become. Whilst your spot on in everything you say the 11 on the pitch have to match any effort off it, the main reason people may not renew isnt just results its the way the players actually play. ..most folk will accept losing if they can see the effort has been put in, too many times this season the players havnt done that and some of them have been disgraceful despite having obvious talent. ..donny Blackpool Ipswich are no way better than us but made us look like a pub team....if the players cant be arsed and make no mistake some can't how can anyone be expected to pay to watch it,? That's a very valid and fair point. I'd just say trust in Dean, he's a fan, and one who's never let us down before. If the product on the pitch is garbage with half arsed players, then I trust him to act on it, either by chopping the manager or allowing scope to wheel and deal.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Apr 20, 2014 19:12:27 GMT 1
I would imagine that mostly all of the fans who go to the Canalside are from Bradley or The Heavy Woollen area's and that's fine by me, because it's packed every week. Now if i lived in Oaks or Golcar ect i would still go to the Canalside every week rather than giving my money to some Town centre boozer or a certain club near the ground, but that's my choice and fans go where they want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 19:41:25 GMT 1
Ugh, not these "mistakes" again... Again it goes to too much expectation for me. Lopez, Stead and Paterson came in because we had to reduce the wage bill by 2m to get in line with FFP. Vaughan took the majority of the budget, so with limited funds, what else is MR supposed to have done? He's certainly not going to sign Chris Wood on 25k pw as well is he. Plus again, why are we too good to be scrapping at the bottom? Wolves will come up and replace Yeovil, that's a club coming up with more clout than us again.. We'll be in the bottom 5 for budgets and transfers again - so why should we expect to be pushing on even more? Where is this divine right? We might get a clean run with no injuries and things might click, but there are no guarantees. If less renew their season tickets then we'll be coasting towards bottom 3 for budgets.. Unless people get off their arses, get down to the ground and bring friends to push the crowds and match day income up then we'll continue to be hamstrung by FFP and be scuttling around the bargain bins trying to uncover hidden gems. People need to understand what we are and taper expectations, and the more that start doing that and get behind the team, then the better we'll become. Ugh, these mistakes again? So you class it as having to much expectation to finish this season in a mid table position when even the manager expected that! i believe you aim high and see where you go, not exept being in the bottom 6-7. Your post suggests I expect to much and for us to finish in a position that is beyond our means, with the right planning and decisions we are well capable of getting better than where we currently are end of!! Those "mistakes" were attributed at his signings. I'm sure there's a stack of quality players ready to come in on peanuts to play in the glamour town of Huddersfield. There's a reason why every bookie had us down as bottom 3 fodder at the start of the season Mel, and most experts were tipping us to go down. We might get lucky, have a run with zero injuries to key players and find ourself in mid table, it could happen. But it hasn't.. We've had shite luck, shite decisions against us and a raft of injuries to 2/3 of our best players at key times. The club can not sanction a limited amount of players to come in and cover, unless everyone spends spends spends. That's your 'end of'. If every one buys their season tickets, puts money into the club, then the chairman will do the same and things will get better - if we lose more sales, there is only 1 way this club will go.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 20, 2014 20:17:57 GMT 1
Someone made a good point about Canalside earlier on in the thread about not everyone wanting to go and use the facilities there. I'd count myself in that, I've no intention of ever going down there on a matchday and I'm willing to bet that the fans that do go all live on that side of Huddersfield Bradley/HD2 areas and in Mirfield/Heavy Woollen. I live in Almondbury and its the wrong side of Town for me, its just easy to go into town before the game as I use public transport to get to games I'd have to hop on a bus down there too. On Canalside too, why do you have to pay to get in? Isn't that you're buying the beer and food enough? Personally, I expect the chairman to put his fecking hand in his pocket, the tight wad, and fork out some serious wedge so I can go and watch quality football in the premiership. Just don't ask me to put my hand in my pocket and help him out with a quid every other week! DH is some selfish get!!
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Post by horler1 on Apr 20, 2014 22:00:55 GMT 1
Do people not understand the commercial and on the pitch aspects are related? The more money we get from partners, the more we can spend. It's as simple as that. Canalside brings in £200k a year. That pays for half of Jonathan Hogg's transfer fee.
The club has shown it will invest money earned straight into the team. I don't understand why people are so negative about the commercial sides. Developing revenue streams are the only way we can compete in the championship. I think for all Dean and the board have done for this club, they are fully entitled to expect some loyalty from the fans as they work to build up the club and develop the academy. I'll be there every year whilst the current board are in place. UTT
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