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Post by jjamez on Jul 30, 2014 15:29:10 GMT 1
Maintain anything you lopez. We haven't made a selection error we have picked the side we think could win a test match. 4 seamers doesnt say we are expecting a wicket to seam. It says we believe our seam bowlers are better and more likely to get wickets than the spin bowlers we have in this country
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:02:35 GMT 1
Have to say with England not using a recognised spinner that all the wickets bar the defeat at Lords have been pants for a 4 man seam attack. Partly due to the drainage issues but also because grounds dont want to lose money and need a test to last at least 4 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:03:42 GMT 1
Maintain anything you lopez. We haven't made a selection error we have picked the side we think could win a test match. 4 seamers doesnt say we are expecting a wicket to seam. It says we believe our seam bowlers are better and more likely to get wickets than the spin bowlers we have in this country Still got 10 wickets to take... lets see who does the damage, Jordan and woakes or the rank part time spin of Ali and Balance?
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Post by jjamez on Jul 30, 2014 16:19:07 GMT 1
I agree we need a spinner but we havent got one thats anywhere near good enough so we have to avoid picking one and we have to stick to the plan that at this moment suits us and that is a four pronged pace attack regardless of the wicket in england
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Post by pieeater on Jul 30, 2014 16:35:43 GMT 1
Maintain anything you lopez. We haven't made a selection error we have picked the side we think could win a test match. 4 seamers doesnt say we are expecting a wicket to seam. It says we believe our seam bowlers are better and more likely to get wickets than the spin bowlers we have in this country Still got 10 wickets to take... lets see who does the damage, Jordan and woakes or the rank part time spin of Ali and Balance? For a rank part time spinner, that was a jaffa to get rid of Pujara!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:45:57 GMT 1
Still got 10 wickets to take... lets see who does the damage, Jordan and woakes or the rank part time spin of Ali and Balance? For a rank part time spinner, that was a jaffa to get rid of Pujara! Yeah exactly... the rank spinning of ali and balance will do more damage than woakes and jordan so..... We should have had a front line spinner.
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Post by jjamez on Jul 30, 2014 17:07:01 GMT 1
For a rank part time spinner, that was a jaffa to get rid of Pujara! Yeah exactly... the rank spinning of ali and balance will do more damage than woakes and jordan so..... We should have had a front line spinner. We dont have one!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:51 GMT 1
Yeah exactly... the rank spinning of ali and balance will do more damage than woakes and jordan so..... We should have had a front line spinner. We dont have one! Rashid, Rafiq, Kerrigan all better bowlers than Ali and he is Englands leading wicket taker this summer. We have missed a trick going in with 4 seamers every game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 9:36:26 GMT 1
Rashid, Rafiq, Kerrigan all better bowlers than Ali and he is Englands leading wicket taker this summer. We have missed a trick going in with 4 seamers every game. The same Kerrigan that got pummelled all over against the Crims at the oval?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 9:42:13 GMT 1
Rashid, Rafiq, Kerrigan all better bowlers than Ali and he is Englands leading wicket taker this summer. We have missed a trick going in with 4 seamers every game. The same Kerrigan that got pummelled all over against the Crims at the oval? Happened to shane warne first 3 or so games. Went for over 300 without taking a wicket.
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Post by buckers on Jul 31, 2014 10:14:17 GMT 1
The same Kerrigan that got pummelled all over against the Crims at the oval? Happened to shane warne first 3 or so games. Went for over 300 without taking a wicket. Bloody hell they weren't playing us then
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 10:46:00 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 10:55:12 GMT 1
Sorry My bad. It must be he had an average of over 300 after the first 3 tests he played. I think. Its along time (2003) since i read his autobiography.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:00:25 GMT 1
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Post by jjamez on Jul 31, 2014 11:02:51 GMT 1
Lopez none of them spinners are better than ali especially rafiq and kerrigan. Rashid maybe given time could be a decent Test spinner, but then so could ali and so could his batting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:04:08 GMT 1
Sorry My bad. It must be he had an average of over 300 after the first 3 tests he played. I think. Its along time (2003) since i read his autobiography. Kerrigan bowls left arm spin not wrist spin, he was awful on his debut and he's struggles this year in county cricket. Pieterson at the end of last season launched him everywhere and got a double hundred. Kerrigan isn't better than Ali but Ali is no Swann.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:08:38 GMT 1
Sorry My bad. It must be he had an average of over 300 after the first 3 tests he played. I think. Its along time (2003) since i read his autobiography. Kerrigan bowls left arm spin not wrist spin, he was awful on his debut and he's struggles this year in county cricket. Pieterson at the end of last season launched him everywhere and got a double hundred. Kerrigan isn't better than Ali but Ali is no Swann. I wasnt comparing the two, just saying warne had a bad start to his test career and look how it turned out for him. He had Yips on his big day. Nerves got the better of him. simple. You cant write him off on one showing. Ali is a part time spinner, average at best. We need to blood a full time spinner and have Ali as back up. Whoever that may be... Rashid, Rafiq or Kerrigan
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Post by jjamez on Jul 31, 2014 11:35:41 GMT 1
Kerrigan bowls left arm spin not wrist spin, he was awful on his debut and he's struggles this year in county cricket. Pieterson at the end of last season launched him everywhere and got a double hundred. Kerrigan isn't better than Ali but Ali is no Swann. I wasnt comparing the two, just saying warne had a bad start to his test career and look how it turned out for him. He had Yips on his big day. Nerves got the better of him. simple. You cant write him off on one showing. Ali is a part time spinner, average at best. We need to blood a full time spinner and have Ali as back up. Whoever that may be... Rashid, Rafiq or Kerrigan Kerrigan and rafiq are nowhere near good enough to play for england. Rashid maybe if he got consistent, but atm he isnt and as such shouldn't be considered. Theres always tredwell...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:39:39 GMT 1
I wasnt comparing the two, just saying warne had a bad start to his test career and look how it turned out for him. He had Yips on his big day. Nerves got the better of him. simple. You cant write him off on one showing. Ali is a part time spinner, average at best. We need to blood a full time spinner and have Ali as back up. Whoever that may be... Rashid, Rafiq or Kerrigan Kerrigan and rafiq are nowhere near good enough to play for england. Rashid maybe if he got consistent, but atm he isnt and as such shouldn't be considered. Theres always tredwell... Hmmmm and Butler isnt a good enough keeper.........
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Post by jjamez on Jul 31, 2014 11:57:09 GMT 1
Kerrigan and rafiq are nowhere near good enough to play for england. Rashid maybe if he got consistent, but atm he isnt and as such shouldn't be considered. Theres always tredwell... Hmmmm and Butler isnt a good enough keeper......... I've never said that buttler wasn't good enough? In fact I wanted him in. Like I said rafiq and kerrigan are not good enough. A few good seasons at cc then they maybe selectable. Rashid would be okay but not a front line tc spinner. A few year ago when eng were in sa he was spare spinner, it would have been a different story had he played and been second to swann, but he wasn't and suffered confidence issues last few seasons. This season he has been better, but I feel he would break under the pressure, if he had played a few odi games then maybe, but he hasnt. I feel that england will put riley at kent ahead of him as well as ravi patel at middlesex.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:26:34 GMT 1
I imagine Ali's double wicket maiden will settle the issue for a while.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 31, 2014 12:32:49 GMT 1
Fivefer for super Moeen
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Post by pieeater on Jul 31, 2014 12:33:34 GMT 1
Superlopez, how many wickets do you think this fabled full time spinner would have taken? More than Moeen's fivefer? You really are a pillock.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 31, 2014 12:35:08 GMT 1
I imagine Ali's double wicket maiden will settle the issue for a while. And takes another to put England on verge of victory. Superlopez will be busy trying to rewrite history now that Cook has captained superbly all the way through this one.
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Post by AndySk on Jul 31, 2014 12:40:30 GMT 1
We still batted too long yest i think. We were just wasting time once we got past 370 ahead.
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Post by impact on Jul 31, 2014 12:53:26 GMT 1
Sounds like Cook's had a cracking game, let's hope there's more to come.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 31, 2014 12:57:26 GMT 1
We still batted too long yest i think. We were just wasting time once we got past 370 ahead. You are probably right but in Cook's position, a bit of copper plating of the security was a bit understandable. Even then, a long last session was very productive. Anyway, he's kept a level head while criticism became an unfair barrage, rode his luck when dropped and his decision to bat first was right and brave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:59:14 GMT 1
No I was proved correct 7 of the 2nd innings wickets fell to spin. We should have had a full time spinner in the team. Ali bowled well, but its proves we didnt need the 4th seamer, what did jordan or for that matter woakes do? We should have gone in with a proper spinner, or if you maintain we needed 4 seamers bowled first as it should be seeming around day one if you need 4 front line seamers.
To be fair to Ali, look how much his bowling has come on. Bring in genuine spinner Rashid or someone and see how he improves. We need 2 spinners in most away tests, so need to fine a genuine front line spinner. Swann was nowhere near the finished article when he started playing for England remember.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 13:01:35 GMT 1
We still batted too long yest i think. We were just wasting time once we got past 370 ahead. Wasting time or making hay while the sun shone? The top order needed confidence and to regain some enjoyment with the bat. We managed that, while also taking 4 wickets before close.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 13:04:55 GMT 1
Also, fucking hilarious that almost everything that superlopez said proved to be incorrect
Against stronger opposition we might/would have missed a "true front-line spinner", but who's saying that Ali cant become this in time? He needs games like this to refine his game - in interviews this morning he mentioned that he's totally changed the way he bowls to suit the international game. He's on an incredibly steep learning curve, so what a perfect test for him to have to settle in.
Woakes was really unlucky, beat the bat so many times, but just wasn't to be. The main concern is Jordan. Unfortunately we look very weak as soon as you take Andersnout out of the bowling lineup.
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