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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 1, 2014 11:56:00 GMT 1
Sorry but he was "bought as seen"
It's like buying a car with lots of miles and complaining when it breaks down 6 months later and trying to claim on the insurance - won't happened nor should it
It's not Vaughan's fault but his body is knackered and he must be absolutely gutted - feel sorry for him
I think JV is a gamble that hasn't paid off and the club have to stop burying their head in the sand convincing themselves he'll come good. They are in denial because the likelihood is that he'll get worse as he gets older, takes longer to recovery each time and all the injuries compound up
Time the club faced reality. Accept it's not worked with JV and invest in a second front line striker to play alongside Wells and treat it as a bonus if Vaughan is fit
Obviously we still need to shift Stead and Pato to free up some wages but if we need to pay them a golden goodbye to encourage them to take contracts elsewhere then so be it IMO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:00:30 GMT 1
you might find that stead may feature more than you think!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 1, 2014 12:04:53 GMT 1
you might find that stead may feature more than you think! you might find today is a good day to stop sniffing glue!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:07:15 GMT 1
The longer this drags on, the more weight falls behind the rumour I heard last year that JV has a psychological issue. I stress, that was all it was, a rumour. But, looking at what has happened, and the performances Vaughan has managed since his sending off against Leicester, the more it appears to be a contributing factor in his absence. Even Dean said that he couldn't cope with the responsibilities of the captaincy, which affected his game. Added to that, the description of his injuries coming from the club always seem to be vague, ambiguous and relatively minor on the face of it, yet they keep him out for weeks or months. Something ain't right, and its not James Vaughans calf. Vaughan was captain? Never realised that!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 1, 2014 12:08:10 GMT 1
If we don't have Vaughan then it will be Wells 'supported' by Ward again. With Paterson/stead coming on later when wells or Ward are knackered. we will again look a bit better away from home. Robins likes Danny..
Still firmly believe its not actually who starts, its how we start as a team and the tactics adopted. Clayton can run a game, Wells can score , Hammill/Scannel can be unplayable, Lolley/Holmes look bright prospects and when we defend 10 yards outside our penalty area we can look very solid.
Maybe time to start concentrating more on what we do rather than who we pick?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:09:51 GMT 1
Perhaps we should start a crowdfunder to buy Smith from Leeds?
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Aug 1, 2014 12:10:42 GMT 1
Perhaps the club is well aware that we need to sign another first team striker, but are not making a big song and dance about it because 1) clubs know how much we have received in transfer fees over the last few years and 2) if we fret then we look desperate - both of which will push prices up. The worst thing we can do is pay over the odds and panic buy and there is still plenty of time to bring someone in.
In any case, our main problem with playing Wells up front on his own last year was a lack of creativity in the final third and little connection between midfield and attack - signing Majewski should solve this issue and if we play with any three of Ward, Hammill, Lolley, Majewski, Holmes and Scannell, we should have more than enough attacking threat, even with only one up front.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 1, 2014 12:11:18 GMT 1
Tightness in his calf my arse the club should say what's up with the lad There must come a point, where we just say. Man Up and play, stop whinging about a tight calf, a sore knee, a swollen toe and play through it. Im not saying that time is friendly vs Oldham, but when the season starts he is just gonna have to get on with it. He cant manage his injuries obviously, we spend so long protecting him from injuries that we may as well just let the injury happen and then let it repair. you've posted some shite in your time but this is up there. 'man up'!? as if vaughan wont be dying to play. I dont understand why people aim frustrations directly at vaughan....it's not his fault is it!! it's annoying but it is what it is, nothing he or us can do about it, only the club can, by getting someone in so we dont rely on him but just use him as a bonus. The whole fanbase were practically begging him to sign and we knew he was injury prone. if he plays 15 games he was still worth the money imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:13:05 GMT 1
you might find that stead may feature more than you think! you might find today is a good day to stop sniffing glue! LOL. jUST WAIT AND SEE HE CERTAINLY HIS BACK IN THE FRAME. As for the vaughn situation we dont know but dont him rule out of the opening game yetbut agree its not the ideal situation and town are well aware of it
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Post by ritchie on Aug 1, 2014 12:14:54 GMT 1
you might find today is a good day to stop sniffing glue! LOL. jUST WAIT AND SEE HE CERTAINLY HIS BACK IN THE FRAME. As for the vaughn situation we dont know but dont him rule out of the opening game yetbut agree its not the ideal situation and town are well aware of it not really been following preseason, buthasnt he been playing with the development squad?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:23:25 GMT 1
LOL. jUST WAIT AND SEE HE CERTAINLY HIS BACK IN THE FRAME. As for the vaughn situation we dont know but dont him rule out of the opening game yetbut agree its not the ideal situation and town are well aware of it not really been following preseason, buthasnt he been playing with the development squad? yes he has and is back in contention after his performance on wednesday at staylbridge. Things can change very quickly in this game
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Post by Colt Seavers on Aug 1, 2014 12:24:12 GMT 1
If he was a horse he would have been taken into the field and put out of his misery by now.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 1, 2014 12:26:38 GMT 1
We could try and re-sign Alan Lee on a 1 year contract! Would offer us summat different up front, and Nahki could feed off him!
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Post by ritchie on Aug 1, 2014 12:28:09 GMT 1
not really been following preseason, buthasnt he been playing with the development squad? yes he has and is back in contention after his performance on wednesday at staylbridge. Things can change very quickly in this game good one
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Post by Sio on Aug 1, 2014 12:28:41 GMT 1
not really been following preseason, buthasnt he been playing with the development squad? yes he has and is back in contention after his performance on wednesday at staylbridge. Things can change very quickly in this game He was playing against Stalybridge, hardly a huge challenge for the lad. Stead showed enough times last season that he couldn't contribute much, at Town, Oldham and Bradford.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:31:08 GMT 1
If he was a horse he would have been taken into the field and put out of his misery by now. How could you Colt.
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Post by Amigo on Aug 1, 2014 12:41:20 GMT 1
Bit harsh on Pav, didn't he bag nearly 30 in his second season? Pssoibly a bit harsh, especially as I liked him, but he didn't do it long enough - probably becuase he beleived the hype he was getting - him and Lee Trundle were both appearing every few weeks on Soccar AM's showboat and his head disappearde up his own arse a bit IMO. He got 4 goals in 6 on loan, (2 every 3 games) and this moved to 2 in 5 games afetr he signed. PErhaps very harsh but I always remember him as a disappointment. I suppose Phil Jevons wuold have been a better argument - 2 goals in an 8 game loan spell and then just 7 more in the next season and a half after signing permantently Really harsh on Pav in my opinion. For around the last 12 months with us he was barely starting games but was coming on as sub so counts as an appearance but was only 10 or 15 minutes. First full season with us 27 goals. Second season started by scoring in the first 6 games and had 9 in 11 then after about 3 or 4 dodgy games his starts begin dwindling and he's benched until he's sold. Always thought Jacko got that wrong he just hit a bit of bad form after being brilliant for over a year and was dropped given only odd starts here and there. 47 goals in 87 starts after he signed permanently is hardly a bad record!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:42:30 GMT 1
It will take one half of a league game for Robins to realise that Stead needs to retire
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2014 12:43:36 GMT 1
Can't see Stead getting much game time unless Vaughan, Wells, Bunn, Ward & Lolley all get injured. Even then it will depend on if we bring in more cover in that area. Nothing against Stead, just feel championship football is too much of a challenge for him now, as last season proved.. Playing well against a poor non-league team is a massive difference to playing the likes of Fulham, Norwich, etc.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 1, 2014 12:51:10 GMT 1
Perhaps the club is well aware that we need to sign another first team striker, but are not making a big song and dance about it because 1) clubs know how much we have received in transfer fees over the last few years and 2) if we fret then we look desperate - both of which will push prices up.... and 3) a good majority of DATM will find reason to disapprove.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 1, 2014 12:55:30 GMT 1
Can't see Stead getting much game time unless Vaughan, Wells, Bunn, Ward & Lolley all get injured. Even then it will depend on if we bring in more cover in that area. Nothing against Stead, just feel championship football is too much of a challenge for him now, as last season proved.. Playing well against a poor non-league team is a massive difference to playing the likes of Fulham, Norwich, etc. Agreed. Oscar Gobern's spent more time with the seniors this pre-season, than Stead. To me, the fact that Stead was the only senior to be involved in the U21 game the other night is a big indication of his position at Town.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 1, 2014 12:55:35 GMT 1
Sorry but he was "bought as seen" It's like buying a car with lots of miles and complaining when it breaks down 6 months later and trying to claim on the insurance - won't happened nor should it It's not Vaughan's fault but his body is knackered and he must be absolutely gutted - feel sorry for him I think JV is a gamble that hasn't paid off and the club have to stop burying their head in the sand convincing themselves he'll come good. They are in denial because the likelihood is that he'll get worse as he gets older, takes longer to recovery each time and all the injuries compound up Time the club faced reality. Accept it's not worked with JV and invest in a second front line striker to play alongside Wells and treat it as a bonus if Vaughan is fit Obviously we still need to shift Stead and Pato to free up some wages but if we need to pay them a golden goodbye to encourage them to take contracts elsewhere then so be it IMO Let's not forget that without his goals in the early part of last season we may well have been playing in league one this season. Its disappointing that he's injured again but in the two years that he's been here he's been top scorer in both.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2014 12:55:54 GMT 1
Can't see Stead getting much game time unless Vaughan, Wells, Bunn, Ward & Lolley all get injured. Even then it will depend on if we bring in more cover in that area. Nothing against Stead, just feel championship football is too much of a challenge for him now, as last season proved.. Playing well against a poor non-league team is a massive difference to playing the likes of Fulham, Norwich, etc. *Pato too.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2014 13:01:01 GMT 1
Sorry but he was "bought as seen" It's like buying a car with lots of miles and complaining when it breaks down 6 months later and trying to claim on the insurance - won't happened nor should it It's not Vaughan's fault but his body is knackered and he must be absolutely gutted - feel sorry for him I think JV is a gamble that hasn't paid off and the club have to stop burying their head in the sand convincing themselves he'll come good. They are in denial because the likelihood is that he'll get worse as he gets older, takes longer to recovery each time and all the injuries compound up Time the club faced reality. Accept it's not worked with JV and invest in a second front line striker to play alongside Wells and treat it as a bonus if Vaughan is fit Obviously we still need to shift Stead and Pato to free up some wages but if we need to pay them a golden goodbye to encourage them to take contracts elsewhere then so be it IMO Let's not forget that without his goals in the early part of last season we may well have been playing in league one this season. Its disappointing that he's injured again but in the two years that he's been here he's been top scorer in both. According to Wiki he's played 56 games in the league & scored 24 goals for town in 2 seasons.. Not bad imo.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 1, 2014 13:05:06 GMT 1
He was training an hour ago....looked ok ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:05:52 GMT 1
There must come a point, where we just say. Man Up and play, stop whinging about a tight calf, a sore knee, a swollen toe and play through it. Im not saying that time is friendly vs Oldham, but when the season starts he is just gonna have to get on with it. He cant manage his injuries obviously, we spend so long protecting him from injuries that we may as well just let the injury happen and then let it repair. you've posted some shite in your time but this is up there. 'man up'!? as if vaughan wont be dying to play. I dont understand why people aim frustrations directly at vaughan....it's not his fault is it!! it's annoying but it is what it is, nothing he or us can do about it, only the club can, by getting someone in so we dont rely on him but just use him as a bonus. The whole fanbase were practically begging him to sign and we knew he was injury prone. if he plays 15 games he was still worth the money imo. Yes "MAN UP"..... Tight Calf FFS. Better Still read this one.... www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/balls-rugby-player-ruptures-testicle-playing-article-1.1178377Ok. This guy never played again. www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-man-won-rugby-cup-broken-neck/story-18945561-detail/story.htmlTight calf, someone needs to shake their heads, Or the lad will never play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:12:36 GMT 1
Hanson could be worth a cheeky bid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:19:26 GMT 1
I truly believe that Stead will be reborn this season, like a footballing Rocky , and will hit 30 plus goals. I've seen him running up and down steps outside train station and he sounds focused
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 1, 2014 13:23:01 GMT 1
Aye, good idea. Our best player is injury prone - so lets risk him further aggravating a muscle injury (possibly tearing it) in a meaningless friendly.
Christ on a bike, I thought your news networks crap was bad enough.
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