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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:27:00 GMT 1
Aye, good idea. Our best player is injury prone - so lets risk him further aggravating a muscle injury (possibly tearing it) in a meaningless friendly. Christ on a bike, I thought your news networks crap was bad enough. Read above, Im not on about risking him in meaningless friendlies, Im saying it comes to a point where he must start playing through injuries in league games. Its pointless wrapping him up, because something that the club says should clear up in a day or two ends up taking months. If there is a problem, then sometimes its best just to let it develop, instead of letting all the minor niggles build up. Its common knowledge that muscles grow back stronger when they repair.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2014 13:27:14 GMT 1
So what you're saying is, play him in meaningless friendlies until his calf goes pop then lose him before the season even starts? That makes no sense what so ever, saying that, very little you say makes any sense does it..?
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Post by ritchie on Aug 1, 2014 13:28:28 GMT 1
stupid beyond words. not even worth arguing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:35:12 GMT 1
Tightness in his calf my arse the club should say what's up with the lad There must come a point, where we just say. Man Up and play, stop whinging about a tight calf, a sore knee, a swollen toe and play through it. Im not saying that time is friendly vs Oldham, but when the season starts he is just gonna have to get on with it. He cant manage his injuries obviously, we spend so long protecting him from injuries that we may as well just let the injury happen and then let it repair. You should read the thread before throwing accusations around......
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 1, 2014 13:37:10 GMT 1
@superlopez are you going to have a meltdown every Friday?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 1, 2014 13:46:35 GMT 1
simple, paying him top whack and playing him once a blue flood is expensive/impractical and unsettling for the team, at some point and before the end of his contract it will have to be addressed, properly.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 1, 2014 13:47:00 GMT 1
Aye, good idea. Our best player is injury prone - so lets risk him further aggravating a muscle injury (possibly tearing it) in a meaningless friendly. Christ on a bike, I thought your news networks crap was bad enough. Read above, Im not on about risking him in meaningless friendlies, OK, fair enough. Im saying it comes to a point where he must start playing through injuries in league games. Its pointless wrapping him up, because something that the club says should clear up in a day or two ends up taking months. If there is a problem, then sometimes its best just to let it develop, instead of letting all the minor niggles build up. Its common knowledge that muscles grow back stronger when they repair. I am really, really glad that you're not the club's physio.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 1, 2014 13:52:32 GMT 1
There must come a point, where we just say. Man Up and play, stop whinging about a tight calf, a sore knee, a swollen toe and play through it. Im not saying that time is friendly vs Oldham, but when the season starts he is just gonna have to get on with it. He cant manage his injuries obviously, we spend so long protecting him from injuries that we may as well just let the injury happen and then let it repair. You should read the thread before throwing accusations around...... can open....worms everywhere..... pot surrounded by black kettles... define irony... (take your pick from any of the above)
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 1, 2014 13:54:00 GMT 1
I truly believe that Stead will be reborn this season, like a footballing Rocky , and will hit 30 plus goals. I've seen him running up and down steps outside train station and he sounds focusedlike he has emphysema* *edited for accuracy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:59:59 GMT 1
Can't see Stead getting much game time unless Vaughan, Wells, Bunn, Ward & Lolley all get injured. Even then it will depend on if we bring in more cover in that area. Nothing against Stead, just feel championship football is too much of a challenge for him now, as last season proved.. Playing well against a poor non-league team is a massive difference to playing the likes of Fulham, Norwich, etc. Agreed it is but is performance on wednesday and in training has been very good so dont count him out just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:02:47 GMT 1
stupid beyond words. not even worth arguing. Getting away from Vaughan, This is a problem with alot of modern footballers and will be even worse in years to come. You were obviously brought up in this era of soft pampered footballers, I see it with the next generation of kids and its even worse, Ive got a sore ankle, my shin hurts, my knee hurts.. rolling around like they have been shot in PE etc etc. Bollox... They used to be referred to as growing pains. I played Rugby/Football in winter and cricket in summer from aged 10-25 and continue to play cricket now. In that time I missed ONE game because of Injury and that was a game of cricket that after suffering through shin splints for about 8 weeks I bowled a 22 over spell (with shin splints) and that finished me off, fortunately it was the end of the season and rugby didnt start for another few weeks, but had it not been I would have played the week after.... Why? because I was the best player, the team needed me and at 50% I was still better than the bloke who would have replaced me. Ive played with broken toes, broken nose, broken fingers, torn groins, torn cartlidge (waited for a 2 week break and booked in private to get it done and started playing again.) thankfully upto now I havent suffered a serious injury. Ok I wasnt playing at full professional level, but semi professional cricket and national league rugby and county am football is a reasonable level, Facing international bowlers, playing with ex-professional rugby players. If I hadnt played everytime I had a slight niggle, I would have never played any sport. If your injury prone, even more reason to play on and go through the pain barrier or you end up never playing. I cant understand these people that have a slight niggle and dont want to play and then they are walking around the ground watching? If you can walk, you can run, if you can run you can play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:03:17 GMT 1
@superlopez are you going to have a meltdown every Friday? Eyes up.... another bully.
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Post by Sio on Aug 1, 2014 14:09:14 GMT 1
@superlopez are you going to have a meltdown every Friday? Eyes up.... another bully. Does this make him part of the 'Big 4'? Jealous!
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Post by grist on Aug 1, 2014 14:12:01 GMT 1
Oh for god sake. Do you ever go to matches ? You honestly think Danny Ward can do that job and we don't need to sign anyone else if Vaughan is absent? Well that's fine , quote the stats, allow a soft hat trick at Watford to obscure your vision... Ward will always chip in with a few goals.. If he is fit n firing he can be a threat at times.. But he will never ever score 20 goals. Or contribute to the extent needed for town to push on IMO. Not a hope in hell.. He's been here three years. If you want to bury your head in the sand in some kind of blind faith exercise then go for it. But I'm not having it Agree with all of this - Ward up front last year was excellent and consistent in one are - getting into very promising positions and spunking them away. I have nothing against him but he's not going to be a natural striker as long as I have a hole in my arse. You could always have surgery so thAt you do acquire a hole in your arse. Then he might become become a decent striker in your eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:12:46 GMT 1
Eyes up.... another bully. Does this make him part of the 'Big 4'? Jealous! No. He is in the small fry club. I think he longs for acceptance into the Big 3 club, but he would end up a kind of rent boy for the big 3.... doesn't bare thinking about....... lets change the subject.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 1, 2014 14:14:34 GMT 1
Roll on the autumn school term
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:16:04 GMT 1
Agree with all of this - Ward up front last year was excellent and consistent in one are - getting into very promising positions and spunking them away. I have nothing against him but he's not going to be a natural striker as long as I have a hole in my arse. You could always have surgery so thAt you do acquire a hole in your arse. Then he might become become a decent striker in your eyes. I think Ward is a v.good striker, he plundered his fair share of goals last season, he finds great positions, but his finishing lets him down overall. I reckon he was low on confidence alot of last season and COULD if full of confidence quite easily bag 20+ goals for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:17:27 GMT 1
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Post by grist on Aug 1, 2014 14:21:25 GMT 1
Ward is not the answer?? He ended up our league top scorer last season having only played a few games 'up front'. unfortunately there are a lot of short sighted fans who cannot see his potential in that position. Oh for god sake. Do you ever go to matches ? You honestly think Danny Ward can do that job and we don't need to sign anyone else if Vaughan is absent? Well that's fine , quote the stats, allow a soft hat trick at Watford to obscure your vision... Ward will always chip in with a few goals.. If he is fit n firing he can be a threat at times.. But he will never ever score 20 goals. Or contribute to the extent needed for town to push on IMO. Not a hope in hell.. He's been here three years. If you want to bury your head in the sand in some kind of blind faith exercise then go for it. But I'm not having it Not only do I go to matches as a season ticket holder, I also go there with my eyes open and my brain in gear. If there is anyone with their head in the sand (or worse) it is you. You clearly have never played football to a decent level, otherwise you would be able to realise how raw talent can develop into something outstanding.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 1, 2014 14:22:51 GMT 1
So, let me get this right, are you now calling Ted a paedophile? suicide
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Post by Sio on Aug 1, 2014 14:23:36 GMT 1
Does this make him part of the 'Big 4'? Jealous! No. He is in the small fry club. I think he longs for acceptance into the Big 3 club, but he would end up a kind of rent boy for the big 3.... doesn't bare thinking about....... lets change the subject.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 1, 2014 14:24:22 GMT 1
Oh for god sake. Do you ever go to matches ? You honestly think Danny Ward can do that job and we don't need to sign anyone else if Vaughan is absent? Well that's fine , quote the stats, allow a soft hat trick at Watford to obscure your vision... Ward will always chip in with a few goals.. If he is fit n firing he can be a threat at times.. But he will never ever score 20 goals. Or contribute to the extent needed for town to push on IMO. Not a hope in hell.. He's been here three years. If you want to bury your head in the sand in some kind of blind faith exercise then go for it. But I'm not having it Not only do I go to matches as a season ticket holder, I also go there with my eyes open and my brain in gear. If there is anyone with their head in the sand (or worse) it is you. You clearly have never played football to a decent level, otherwise you would be able to realise how raw talent can develop into something outstanding. Sorry forgive me. I forgot you were E4's buddy . Rendering any meaningful debate about the player redundant . Three years he has been here.. We weren't exactly chomping at the bit to offer him a long contrct. Which is amazing for such a wonder striker .. But forgive my stupidity. Please don't respond cos you and your mate are tedious
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:24:40 GMT 1
So, let me get this right, are you now calling Ted a paedophile? suicide No you are, I was meaning grooming hooligans.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 1, 2014 14:28:29 GMT 1
Oh for god sake. Do you ever go to matches ? You honestly think Danny Ward can do that job and we don't need to sign anyone else if Vaughan is absent? Well that's fine , quote the stats, allow a soft hat trick at Watford to obscure your vision... Ward will always chip in with a few goals.. If he is fit n firing he can be a threat at times.. But he will never ever score 20 goals. Or contribute to the extent needed for town to push on IMO. Not a hope in hell.. He's been here three years. If you want to bury your head in the sand in some kind of blind faith exercise then go for it. But I'm not having it Not only do I go to matches as a season ticket holder, I also go there with my eyes open and my brain in gear. If there is anyone with their head in the sand (or worse) it is you. You clearly have never played football to a decent level, otherwise you would be able to realise how raw talent can develop into something outstanding. I'm not sure anyone has said Ward is not talented. He is clearly a decent enough attacking midfielder/winger. But by playing him as a striker we are ramming a square peg into a very round hole. He does not have the natural finishing ability - it's not often you get someone at his age learning a new position at a relatively high level of football, and to be honest it's never the msot desirable option, as if a player is good enough to learn a new position you'll still get better results from them in their natural position. For example, playing Wayne Rooney out wide is ok, but he'll never be as good there as through the middle. United also used Scholes as a makeshift striker on occasion, noatably when he nroke into the team, but he was always better in the middle of the park. And no, before the predicatble happens, I am not comparing Ward to Scholes or Rooney. I am merely using them as examples of players who, arguably, would be capable in most outfield roles but were/are always be best in tehir natural, preferred role.
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Post by grist on Aug 1, 2014 14:31:20 GMT 1
Not only do I go to matches as a season ticket holder, I also go there with my eyes open and my brain in gear. If there is anyone with their head in the sand (or worse) it is you. You clearly have never played football to a decent level, otherwise you would be able to realise how raw talent can develop into something outstanding. Sorry forgive me. I forgot you were E4's buddy . Rendering any meaningful debate about the player redundant . Three years he has been here.. We weren't exactly chomping at the bit to offer him a long contrct. Which is amazing for such a wonder striker .. But forgive my stupidity. Please don't respond cos you and your mate are tedious Tedious, that's a laugh coming from you. I haven't a clue who E4 is, so you are making yourself look even more stupid than you already look. It's idiots like you who stop a confidence player like Ward performing as he might, so I hop you are happy with your contribution to HTAFC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 14:33:07 GMT 1
Not only do I go to matches as a season ticket holder, I also go there with my eyes open and my brain in gear. If there is anyone with their head in the sand (or worse) it is you. You clearly have never played football to a decent level, otherwise you would be able to realise how raw talent can develop into something outstanding. I'm not sure anyone has said Ward is not talented. He is clearly a decent enough attacking midfielder/winger. But by playing him as a striker we are ramming a square peg into a very round hole. He does not have the natural finishing ability - it's not often you get someone at his age learning a new position at a relatively high level of football, and to be honest it's never the msot desirable option, as if a player is good enough to learn a new position you'll still get better results from them in their natural position. For example, playing Wayne Rooney out wide is ok, but he'll never be as good there as through the middle. United also used Scholes as a makeshift striker on occasion, noatably when he nroke into the team, but he was always better in the middle of the park. And no, before the predicatble happens, I am not comparing Ward to Scholes or Rooney. I am merely using them as examples of players who, arguably, would be capable in most outfield roles but were/are always be best in tehir natural, preferred role. wasn't ward a striker before someone tried to make him into a winger? I'd say he's more at home up top than stuck out on the wing.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 1, 2014 14:37:16 GMT 1
What the hell is wrong with you people? Every thread now is just you morons arguing with each other instead of a discussion even remotely related to the title.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 1, 2014 14:39:24 GMT 1
Sorry forgive me. I forgot you were E4's buddy . Rendering any meaningful debate about the player redundant . Three years he has been here.. We weren't exactly chomping at the bit to offer him a long contrct. Which is amazing for such a wonder striker .. But forgive my stupidity. Please don't respond cos you and your mate are tedious Tedious, that's a laugh coming from you. I haven't a clue who E4 is, so you are making yourself look even more stupid than you already look. It's idiots like you who stop a confidence player like Ward performing as he might, so I hop you are happy with your contribution to HTAFC Never booed the lad, or any town player, in my life. am I not allowed an opinion?
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Post by grist on Aug 1, 2014 14:40:11 GMT 1
I'm not sure anyone has said Ward is not talented. He is clearly a decent enough attacking midfielder/winger. But by playing him as a striker we are ramming a square peg into a very round hole. He does not have the natural finishing ability - it's not often you get someone at his age learning a new position at a relatively high level of football, and to be honest it's never the msot desirable option, as if a player is good enough to learn a new position you'll still get better results from them in their natural position. For example, playing Wayne Rooney out wide is ok, but he'll never be as good there as through the middle. United also used Scholes as a makeshift striker on occasion, noatably when he nroke into the team, but he was always better in the middle of the park. And no, before the predicatble happens, I am not comparing Ward to Scholes or Rooney. I am merely using them as examples of players who, arguably, would be capable in most outfield roles but were/are always be best in tehir natural, preferred role. wasn't ward a striker before someone tried to make him into a winger? I'd say he's more at home up top than stuck out on the wing. he certainly was at Swindon on loan and they used to him. We just have too many people who are never happy unless they are criticising, and they are ruining our club. The likes of Arfield and many others who have left the club to get away from the negative faction and have done well elsewhere.
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Post by Sio on Aug 1, 2014 14:43:23 GMT 1
wasn't ward a striker before someone tried to make him into a winger? I'd say he's more at home up top than stuck out on the wing. he certainly was at Swindon on loan and they used to him. We just have too many people who are never happy unless they are criticising, and they are ruining our club. The likes of Arfield and many others who have left the club to get away from the negative faction and have done well elsewhere.How many others? I don't think Town fans are often wrong on players. Ward has persistently underperformed at Town. He looked great in his loan spell and has had some great games since, but generally he doesn't look fully up to scratch. Everybody knew Arfield had some talent in him but he rarely ever showed it at Town, so why would we keep him? He'd have never performed for us as he's done for Burnley even if he'd stayed. And FWIW I think he'll soon find his level again at Champ/L1 level.
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