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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 19, 2015 0:57:12 GMT 1
Just finished reading a terrific book about Robert Enke, the German goalie who killed himself just over 5 years ago during a bout of severe depression. Well worth reading to give an insight into what goes on in the mind of a depressive. It's called 'A Life Too Short' by Ronald Reng. Read both that and Carlisle's autobiography, they definitely make you think twice when you see a player criticised at a game or by the media. I couldn't bring myself to finish A Life Too Short because it was so desperately sad.
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Post by Marco4 on Jan 19, 2015 8:00:11 GMT 1
Just finished reading a terrific book about Robert Enke, the German goalie who killed himself just over 5 years ago during a bout of severe depression. Well worth reading to give an insight into what goes on in the mind of a depressive. It's called 'A Life Too Short' by Ronald Reng. Read both that and Carlisle's autobiography, they definitely make you think twice when you see a player criticised at a game or by the media. I couldn't bring myself to finish A Life Too Short because it was so desperately sad. Tremendously moving book - and worth noting how high profile Enke was in Germany. Doesn't seem to be as famous here, so his name is probably unknown outside the book, but he was a big deal in Germany.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2015 16:22:33 GMT 1
Out of hospital and recovering at home. Great news.
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Post by royalflush on Feb 5, 2015 9:23:39 GMT 1
Confirmed as a suicide attempt
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 5, 2015 9:48:07 GMT 1
He looks rough in that picture!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 10:35:25 GMT 1
I just once again wish him all the best .I hope that the treatment he is now receiving is going to aid and maintain his recovery.Come on CC you can do his for your wife and two children and importantly for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:22:59 GMT 1
What's everyone making of Ralf Little's comments on Twitter?
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 5, 2015 12:29:21 GMT 1
What's everyone making of Ralf Little's comments on Twitter? What's he said?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:37:07 GMT 1
Clarke context and comments First and foremost, and I should know this by now, twitter is not the place for this sort of thing, as it takes more than 140 characters to talk about anything seriously. So already I wish I hadn’t said anything, not because I regret the comment, but because the choice of forum was wrong and frankly understandable if people are riled up.
Next thing is, I don’t suddenly want to air a list of grievances that sound sensationalist and do some tabloid’s job for them. Clarke and I have history, that involves money, lies, on one notable occasion me being interrogated by the police over something I knew nothing about… and all sorts of other stuff.
Now, when it comes to mental illness, I understand it, I’ve lived around it, I’ve supported it, I fight against the stigmatization of it and so on. I think it’s a very real issue with a long road to go to combat it.
So that said, on to this case… It’s extremely difficult to watch someone repeatedly ruin other people’s lives, then explain it in such a way that makes them immune to criticism. And it keeps happening. It’s now reached a point where, as this proves, it’s like emotional touch paper. And sure, I’m not a professional expert on mental health, and no doubt, neither are you. But I know more about this particular case than you do just because you read about it in the Sun, or saw a documentary.
There comes a point where it’s just frustrating to witness someone constantly hammering the pattern of destruction for those around – and I was once one of those around - only to see the destructive force make a moving and sincere apology… then do it again.
(On reflection, that’s the nature of addiction/illness, and I know that all too well, but as I say, a rash tweet and it’s not the place for it. )
I should also say that during the course of this twitter… whatever it is, Clarke has been in touch with a retrospective apology over things that went on a long time ago, and I think that has to be respected by all, myself included.
Anyway... You have to be in a dark place to attempt suicide, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. However, I do find myself thinking that when you’ve been driving drunk five (is it?) times, risking lives of countless other people, and even in your darkest hour still manage to involve a lorry driver who could have died himself, and now has to live with that trauma and memory every day fro the REST of his life… Personally my stores of empathy start to dry up after a while.
Am I really that out of order for suggesting that’s not on? Do we repeatedly overlook reckless destruction of other lives beacause someone apologizes, again and again, and says it’s an illness? Isn't there a point where we can go, "enough is enough"?
I hate drink driving, I really do. I know victims of it, who have died, been paralysed, or lost loved ones, and I’ve watched this man get caught doing it several times then publicly forgiven, lauded, and handed a bloody good career! I’m sorry but that annoys me!
And I think that’s my overriding feeling. I don’t feel sad for Clarke any more, I was drained of that some time ago. Instead I feel sad, and maybe a little angry, for Gemma, and the kids, and the lorry driver, and the people who dived out of the way of the car all those years ago, and all the other people who have been fucked over and over and over… you know who you are.
Of course I wish Clarke a strong recovery – and not just from the crash. It would be a better world if he and all other sufferers of such an insidious disease could find a way to fight the good fight. But when he does end up facing the drink driving charges, this time around, I hope, not least out of respect for the hundreds of drink driving victims who tweet me every year, they throw the book at him.
I don’t think that makes me a c***, or gobshite, or a wanker, or any other delightful name some of you came up with, but hey it’s a free country.
Though, as a final thought, I would say again, I’m a fool for forgetting that twitter is not, and never will be, the place for a comment like that. It’s too reductive and simplistic, and yes, without context, I can see it would seem insensitive and crass. Not my intention.
I’m going to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:38:21 GMT 1
He obviously didn't put the little emoticon thing in there. You can't discuss suicide on DATM without it making it look like you are insensitive.
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Post by lankystreak on Feb 5, 2015 12:54:58 GMT 1
Was just going to post Ralf Littles comments myself, I do find myself agreeing with a lot of what is said and I say that from the standpoint of someone who has battled there own issues with addiction and depression.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 5, 2015 14:36:33 GMT 1
Wow that was a passionate and interesting read. I know nothing of the personal lives of either of them but clearly there is a lot going on there. I hate twitter for the uproars and sensationalism it enables. Because its completely democratic and instant people can do something in an instant that affects so many people and I doubt they give it a second thought. If I were famous and had to have a twitter account for PR purposes I would pay someone to manage it and wouldn't look at it myself. I mean even if you are the most self confident person in the world, to have random gobshites have a go at you and pick on any thing in your life would destroy you after a while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 15:25:07 GMT 1
its a difficult one .i was suicidal and went into bouts of deep depression and my own world . though at the time never understood why it was happening or what caused me to be that way ,it was only after i got sent for threapy that things started to come out ,especially from my childhood which even i had buried away so deep and tried to forget about ,but when i got put into storthes hall to try help me it seemed to change peoples perception of me ,which i can understand to a degree ,but when i came out i found those same people shunned me and gradually over the years have lost the freinds i had and pretty much became a recluse ,apart from going to football .same still applies these days apart from when i need to go shopping or go football ,i pretty much stay indoors .
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 5, 2015 15:44:37 GMT 1
The country is drowning in mental illness. Its becoming an everyday, straight off response to excuse all sorts of behaviour, from drunkenness and shoplifting to murder.
People are committing serious and often pre mediated and reasonably complicated and organised crimes and then being treated differently in custody and by the courts after claiming being suicidal/self harmers etc etc..
That's the problem, trying to treat the legitimately mentally disturbed from the criminal using it as a leverage tool and from the inadequate using it likewise to obtain free everything and having people sort out every little problematical detail of their lives.
I know a middle aged women who has threatened suicide at least 3 times a week since 1990..she self harms in a very, very minor way once in a while and then pisses the ambulance/hospital staff and the police about for weeks on end because she feels she needs the attention. This country cannot sustain a health service for all when so few are taking so much of its resources and time for so little.
To those with real mental illness, not self inflicted by using 'safe cannabis' or other drugs including alcohol, none of the above is aimed at you. In the future when we get very tough, because we will have to, the proper and legitimate services you require might well be open to you more readily and more quickly if we get shut of the lame/lazy and downright wastes of space that are clogging everything up right now..
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Post by wasp on Feb 5, 2015 17:02:50 GMT 1
Get some E's down yer neck if your depressed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:09:36 GMT 1
Get some E's down yer neck if your depressed Sad acts Moron you really are a waste of oxygen
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Post by wasp on Feb 5, 2015 17:10:09 GMT 1
Get some E's down yer neck if your depressed Sad acts Moron you really are a waste of oxygen You go girl!
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Post by Lard Buttie on Feb 5, 2015 17:13:32 GMT 1
It's been reported that he got sacked from his ITV Champions League job, went to a casino & spunked ALL his families money them got nicked for drunk driving.
He saw suicide as a ''way out''
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Post by Lard Buttie on Feb 5, 2015 17:14:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:16:31 GMT 1
Was just going to post Ralf Littles comments myself, I do find myself agreeing with a lot of what is said and I say that from the standpoint of someone who has battled there own issues with addiction and depression. Me too Ian. Part of his illness in itself is a failure to take personal responsibility. He seems to be somewhat consumed with self pity which keeps you sick also.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:24:36 GMT 1
It's been reported that he got sacked from his ITV Champions League job, went to a casino & spunked ALL his families money them got nicked for drunk driving. He saw suicide as a ''way out'' Where've you seen that? Shocking if true
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 5, 2015 17:31:54 GMT 1
not shocking, very much an everyday occurrence. Then you look for 'help' with your 'demons'....excuse yourself and start over again..
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Post by Macjinx on Feb 5, 2015 17:35:40 GMT 1
Was just going to post Ralf Littles comments myself, I do find myself agreeing with a lot of what is said and I say that from the standpoint of someone who has battled there own issues with addiction and depression. Me too Ian. Part of his illness in itself is a failure to take personal responsibility. He seems to be somewhat consumed with self pity which keeps you sick also. I'm afraid self centredness (i.e. not considering anyone else, no matter how close)is an integral part of mental illness. Take the example of Gary Speed. I imagine he never considered for a minute that it would be his family who would find him, and what effect that might have on them. Its just part of the illness I'm afraid, and does make it harder to empathise. UTT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:41:14 GMT 1
Me too Ian. Part of his illness in itself is a failure to take personal responsibility. He seems to be somewhat consumed with self pity which keeps you sick also. I'm afraid self centredness (i.e. not considering anyone else, no matter how close)is an integral part of mental illness. Take the example of Gary Speed. I imagine he never considered for a minute that it would be his family who would find him, and what effect that might have on them. Its just part of the illness I'm afraid, and does make it harder to empathise. UTT Exactly, thoughts for others, even ones you love dearly go out the window because you've decided that's it. No rational thought at all. What does it matter if you lose the life savings or get done drink driving or even kill someone else drink driving. You aren't thinking about anybody else. Doesn't matter what happens because you're going to finish everything. When you think the best course of action is to end your own life then considering anybody else is nowhere near being in your head.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 19:22:04 GMT 1
Me too Ian. Part of his illness in itself is a failure to take personal responsibility. He seems to be somewhat consumed with self pity which keeps you sick also. I'm afraid self centredness (i.e. not considering anyone else, no matter how close)is an integral part of mental illness. Take the example of Gary Speed. I imagine he never considered for a minute that it would be his family who would find him, and what effect that might have on them. Its just part of the illness I'm afraid, and does make it harder to empathise. UTT Absolutely. There is a solution though... People can recover...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 19:49:22 GMT 1
I hope he does.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 25, 2015 17:15:30 GMT 1
Pleaded guilty to drink driving charges. Doesn't regret trying to kill himself either by sounds of it!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 25, 2015 17:40:55 GMT 1
dangerous man, trying to take his own life involving others...needs sectioning..
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Post by wasp on Mar 25, 2015 18:41:28 GMT 1
Pleaded guilty to drink driving charges. Doesn't regret trying to kill himself either by sounds of it! If he's that giddy about it why hasn't he tried again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:22:26 GMT 1
dangerous man, trying to take his own life involving others...needs sectioning.. It sounds as though he was? I personally hope that he manages to turn around his life and learns to be happy again. I also feel very sorry for the driver who was involved in this tragedy. Mental illness is just that an illness and at times very complex. There but for the Grace of God go you or I.
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