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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:23:59 GMT 1
What do your words mean then Mr. 20/20? All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownhunt, clayton, norwood, pilkington, rhodes name me a player we said sorry he's not for sale and didnt go on to sell him? We turned down bids for Vaughan last season.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:25:37 GMT 1
you lot enjoy the shit football with the shit replacements and another relegation scrap because i am not bothering to waste my money anymore, but dont worry my educational tutorials will continue on here for you
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 2, 2015 0:27:43 GMT 1
What do your words mean then Mr. 20/20? All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownhunt, clayton, norwood, pilkington, rhodes name me a player we said sorry he's not for sale and didnt go on to sell him? Now you're changing what you said. The word you used was 'immediately'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:28:35 GMT 1
you lot enjoy the shit football with the shit replacements and another relegation scrap because i am not bothering to waste my money anymore, but dont worry my educational tutorials will continue on here for you Praise the lord for the "Block" facility.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:30:11 GMT 1
Wriggle wriggle. You said ALL. No wriggling pal powell stopped the possible move didnt he deano could hardly let his brand new manager not have his way . he will be gone sooner than later if he continues to play well and replaced with a loanee for part of the season. You know i am right and your just been a tit. We sell our best players over and over again. Yes all clubs do it but the difference is most clubs have quite a few other stars left to rely on especially in this division. How many STARS have we sold this January? And before you say we haven't any, we're on the same points as 'star studded' joint 12th placed teams Cardiff, Nottingham Forest, Fulham and Bolton.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:31:01 GMT 1
hunt, clayton, norwood, pilkington, rhodes name me a player we said sorry he's not for sale and didnt go on to sell him? We turned down bids for Vaughan last season. Actual bids or enquiries? if it was then i stand corrected and will amend my statement to the majority of the time. I am fed up mel and bored of it now there are far too many things to get angry about at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:33:47 GMT 1
We turned down bids for Vaughan last season. Actual bids or enquiries? if it was then i stand corrected and will amend my statement to the majority of the time. I am fed up mel and bored of it now there are far too many things to get angry about at the moment. Pretty sure Dean said at the Millbridge Q&A last year that the club had told another club "he's not for sale". Bids/enquiries, does it really matter, the bottom line is another club were interested and we said no.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:33:51 GMT 1
What do your words mean then Mr. 20/20? All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownhunt, clayton, norwood, pilkington, rhodes name me a player we said sorry he's not for sale and didnt go on to sell him? Name me a club in this division where a transfer request has been refused and they went on to keep him.
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Post by terrierdaz on Feb 2, 2015 0:36:46 GMT 1
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Post by detox on Feb 2, 2015 0:48:41 GMT 1
Here's my take on yesterday's Q&A with Dean Hoyle. I've been to several Q&A's with Dean Hoyle and he didn't say anything much that was too different to what I'd heard from him before. Was he fed up as some posters on here that also attended suggested he was? Well, I didn't particularly get that impression. I think he was maybe a bit weary of answering the sort of questions he's been asked, and answered, a thousand times before.I think he was a bit resentful (rightly, IMO) about what he perceives as too much negativity in the media towards Town. He can accept constructive criticism, but he feels there's just too much negativity, almost for the sake of it. This negativity can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he's bang on. The two examples I can recall him mentioning were Kieran O'Regan's Radio Leeds commentary, and the vitriol aimed at Ross Wilson. 1. Club Ambition - he made it as clear as he could that supporters have to understand and accept that, by Championship standards, we are "lower-mid table". He must have used the phrase "we are where we are" ten times or more. Town have a smaller budget than most, smaller turnover than most, smaller support than most in this league. Town will NOT (under his watch) do a QPR or a Leicester and try to buy themselves out of this league. He likened us to Burnley - in fact he's sees Burnley as the example he insists that Town should follow. Before anyone has a go, I appreciate modest clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are showing Town up a bit this season, but, hey, that's football, they're having a good season and they might be successful, but let's see. His message to Town fans hasn't really changed....he wants gradual progress based on sound management and solid foundations. He thinks that's what Town have, but he's not complacent, he still has ambitions for Town to continue to improve. I think he'd just like a little bit more patience from the fans. 2. Club Ownership - he reiterated what he's said before, that if someone came in who HE felt was right for HTFC and could take HTFC forward better/faster than he can, then great, he'd sell. He said he hadn't actively been trying to find a potential buyer. I was slightly surprised at that........I'd have thought he'd be doing something on that score in the background. Maybe he is, but doesn't want to start any unhelpful gossip. 3. January Transfers Out - Hoyle said that footballers want to play, so those that are playing are never a problem; it's those that are not playing that are the problem, and Town have had/still got too many of them. It is as clear as can be that he wants Gerrard off the premises, ASAP. Clearly he sees Gobern and Stead as having had the opportunities to do it for Town, and they just haven't done it, so it seems Gobern will leave sooner rather than later. He has had conversations with Jon Stead where they had differing opinions - DH thought JS was "wearing slippers", back at his home-town club and too comfortable, JS disagreed and DH think's JS's performances at Bradford City were his way of sticking two fingers up to DH about that.....and DH said "good luck to the lad". Town are paying half of his wages at Bradford. DH (and Chris Powell) want a smaller, tight-knit, better quality squad. 4. January Transfers In - ALF was on his way to Town, but Bolton came in, offering slightly better money than Town, but the clincher was that ALF lives in Cheshire and Bolton was a better commute for him. CP wants a new striker, DH supports that fact. It seems pretty certain that that striker will be from a Premier League club and it will occur when the Loan Window re-opens in about one weeks' time. 4. Steve Thompson - once CP came in Thompson didn't really have a role at Town. Great lad apparently, very popular, but he did the right thing to go to Leeds. 5. Academy - I asked a two-part question a) is it his expectation that the Academy will really start to deliver in terms of bringing players through into the first team and b) does he have ambitions to take the Academy to the next level. To be honest, I don't think he answered the first question! To take Town to the next level would require roughly a further £1.5 million per annum - should Town do that or use that towards the first team? General murmuring was that first team is the priority. 6. Ross Wilson to Southampton gossip - my take on it is that there's some truth to this rumour. He didn't admit it or deny it, but I think there's probably been some contact between the clubs. Just my guess from DH's reaction. However, DH was very upset and disappointed at the negativity that's been spouted about RW's role and responsibility in the club. It's clear DH thinks RW is an asset to the club. It's obvious DH and the club as a whole is well aware of what's been said on social media, but Town can't control twitter, facebook, DATM etc. Be careful what you wish for Town fans! 7. FA Cup - he was desperately disappointed at Town going out with a whimper. He wants a good cup run desperately. Think that more-or-less sums it up. I might have missed some things out. Apparently DH could be holding another Q&A (to be confirmed) before the Charlton match at the end of the month. Thanks for that...good to have someone prepared to let everybody else know what went on ...
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 2, 2015 0:49:27 GMT 1
you lot enjoy the shit football with the shit replacements and another relegation scrap because i am not bothering to waste my money anymore, but dont worry my educational tutorials will continue on here for you Where was this post after our previous home game against Watford. Ultimate knee jerk response to a defeat.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 2, 2015 1:07:14 GMT 1
you lot enjoy the shit football with the shit replacements and another relegation scrap because i am not bothering to waste my money anymore, but dont worry my educational tutorials will continue on here for you Where was this post after our previous home game against Watford. Ultimate knee jerk response to a defeat. A poor reaction indeed however I'm feeling quite raw too but it's not the fact we lost but more the manor of the defeat.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2015 1:13:32 GMT 1
The irony of muppets blubbering on that dean hoyle should throw millions more of his money at the club , whilst at the same time announcing they aren't prepared to waste any more of their money is hillarious. Its the same after every bad result- the deluded appear to dazzle us with their cluelessness.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Feb 2, 2015 1:19:11 GMT 1
Where was this post after our previous home game against Watford. Ultimate knee jerk response to a defeat. A poor reaction indeed however I'm feeling quite raw too but it's not the fact we lost but more the manor of the defeat. Yes, where's the fire and desire to go out and destroy a team when you set up like that. Unleash the lolley
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Post by E4b on Feb 2, 2015 6:33:09 GMT 1
My answer to you my friend is NO. Wardy is only one example of how clueless our current manager and Chariman are. I would pick Hammill over Scannell or Bunn any day of the week, Gerrard should at least be getting a slot on the bench if not replacing Hudson from time to time, Lolley, Gobern etc etc. It would not surprise me one little bit if there are others who no longer want to play under this regime. The manager can't attract players over the likes of Fatty Evans at Rotherham, we can't compete with the 'laughing stock' from down the road these days. A lot of things are not good!!! Next we will have the usual numpties coming on here saying things are better now than they were under Davy to which I agree, and to which any town fan would agree but there are clearly some problems in the background and we are only getting one side of the story. Keywords highlighted Key words not highlighted - 2 goals. Charlie Taylor's (who is he?) pocket.
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Post by E4b on Feb 2, 2015 6:39:41 GMT 1
My answer to you my friend is NO. Wardy is only one example of how clueless our current manager and Chariman are. I would pick Hammill over Scannell or Bunn any day of the week, Gerrard should at least be getting a slot on the bench if not replacing Hudson from time to time, Lolley, Gobern etc etc. It would not surprise me one little bit if there are others who no longer want to play under this regime. The manager can't attract players over the likes of Fatty Evans at Rotherham, we can't compete with the 'laughing stock' from down the road these days. A lot of things are not good!!! Next we will have the usual numpties coming on here saying things are better now than they were under Davy to which I agree, and to which any town fan would agree but there are clearly some problems in the background and we are only getting one side of the story. Do you know what these lads are like behind the scenes pal? Do you know that they aren't bad influences, a lad that has been done for assaulting a female paramedic, had personal issues on facebook and was rumoured to have other personal issues, isn't really good news is he? These people we are getting rid of are that good, they've just about kept us up over the last two years. Ward never really excelled in league 1 for us, yet you wish they were still at the club? Early you said you appreciate DH, perhaps you ought to look at the situation at Forrest, they had a chairman who loved the club and put his own money in, without the fans really noticing. They too kicked up a stink, the fella sadly passed away and now they are owned by Fawaz. Who's pilled money in via a company that sponsors the shirts, which has been created to get round FFP, oh and wait they have an embargo on them. It's all rosey over there now isn't it. DH is setting up the club to have decent foundations, we are getting shut of the deadwood and starting a fresh. Hopefully with an ethos that everyone buys into, everyone can say look at Burnley, they managed on a low budget. Non of their players thought they were big time and better than anyone else, they all fought for one another and it was as much about team spirit as anything else. You tell me that AG brings huge team spirit This is football, not Sunday school. Maybe we should pick 11 church choir singers to play for us eh? Pal. Not sure if AG brings huge team spirit at all, where exactly did I say that? He doesn't deserve to be Back stabbed by Hoyle is what I am saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 8:14:44 GMT 1
No not at all Daz. Dean was asked about towns ladies team yesterday by a lad who's daughter plays for them. The lad wasn't happy with Dean or the club, Dean answered the questions though and explained the issue. If fans don't feel satisfied with the way the clubs been run, use the q+a to ask. I have been to loads of these Q+A meetings, and TBH its the same thing over and over again , I disagree that anything of any real note is asked. The room is full of people who seem to have blind loyalty to what is being done at OUR CLUB. I prefer these days to make my own mind up about things. Before you say I am being negative etc , I don't just mean the football , I look at the whole HTFC experience , the commercial side , the way people are treated, I can give examples of good , bad and quite frankly appalling experiences. Overall I think DH has done a great job to this point, however he is the figure head of HTFC and when you are at the top you are there to be shot at ( Figuratively speaking )so the buck stops with him. If one of my employee's fucks up on site ultimately to my customer the buck stops with me. I have asked questions of most of the directors and not got a straight answer in the past . PS mate any more news on the Holt shirt ( again not a good experience) It's not a perfectly run club by any stretch. I agree with a lot what you say Daz and the buck does stop with Dean. I'd say that we are having better years under Dean than years previous to his ownership. He's not untouchable though, I totally agree. We are still chasing that shirt. I spoke with Scanz on Saturday to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 8:17:53 GMT 1
Sadly I've not had a response. All we are doing now in this league is treading water, you know it, I know and everyone on here knows it. This season we should gave been looking to move up towards the top 10 but as usual we are swimming around near the bottom seeing the same old shit performances and the same old mistakes being made. We aren't treading water IMO. Maybe in yours but not in mine. Given the fact it's February and the season hasn't finished yet, we still have the chance to finish much higher than we are currently. This is a tight division as I proved in my original post. I'm intrigued as to what it is you want the club to do that will garantee us top ten. Is it just a change of attitude you want?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 8:23:43 GMT 1
Did anyone bring up P4P and the frankly appalling numbers they've got signed up?
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Post by mids on Feb 2, 2015 8:46:40 GMT 1
Here's my take on yesterday's Q&A with Dean Hoyle. I've been to several Q&A's with Dean Hoyle and he didn't say anything much that was too different to what I'd heard from him before. Was he fed up as some posters on here that also attended suggested he was? Well, I didn't particularly get that impression. I think he was maybe a bit weary of answering the sort of questions he's been asked, and answered, a thousand times before.I think he was a bit resentful (rightly, IMO) about what he perceives as too much negativity in the media towards Town. He can accept constructive criticism, but he feels there's just too much negativity, almost for the sake of it. This negativity can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he's bang on. The two examples I can recall him mentioning were Kieran O'Regan's Radio Leeds commentary, and the vitriol aimed at Ross Wilson. 1. Club Ambition - he made it as clear as he could that supporters have to understand and accept that, by Championship standards, we are "lower-mid table". He must have used the phrase "we are where we are" ten times or more. Town have a smaller budget than most, smaller turnover than most, smaller support than most in this league. Town will NOT (under his watch) do a QPR or a Leicester and try to buy themselves out of this league. He likened us to Burnley - in fact he's sees Burnley as the example he insists that Town should follow. Before anyone has a go, I appreciate modest clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are showing Town up a bit this season, but, hey, that's football, they're having a good season and they might be successful, but let's see. His message to Town fans hasn't really changed....he wants gradual progress based on sound management and solid foundations. He thinks that's what Town have, but he's not complacent, he still has ambitions for Town to continue to improve. I think he'd just like a little bit more patience from the fans. 2. Club Ownership - he reiterated what he's said before, that if someone came in who HE felt was right for HTFC and could take HTFC forward better/faster than he can, then great, he'd sell. He said he hadn't actively been trying to find a potential buyer. I was slightly surprised at that........I'd have thought he'd be doing something on that score in the background. Maybe he is, but doesn't want to start any unhelpful gossip. 3. January Transfers Out - Hoyle said that footballers want to play, so those that are playing are never a problem; it's those that are not playing that are the problem, and Town have had/still got too many of them. It is as clear as can be that he wants Gerrard off the premises, ASAP. Clearly he sees Gobern and Stead as having had the opportunities to do it for Town, and they just haven't done it, so it seems Gobern will leave sooner rather than later. He has had conversations with Jon Stead where they had differing opinions - DH thought JS was "wearing slippers", back at his home-town club and too comfortable, JS disagreed and DH think's JS's performances at Bradford City were his way of sticking two fingers up to DH about that.....and DH said "good luck to the lad". Town are paying half of his wages at Bradford. DH (and Chris Powell) want a smaller, tight-knit, better quality squad. 4. January Transfers In - ALF was on his way to Town, but Bolton came in, offering slightly better money than Town, but the clincher was that ALF lives in Cheshire and Bolton was a better commute for him. CP wants a new striker, DH supports that fact. It seems pretty certain that that striker will be from a Premier League club and it will occur when the Loan Window re-opens in about one weeks' time. 4. Steve Thompson - once CP came in Thompson didn't really have a role at Town. Great lad apparently, very popular, but he did the right thing to go to Leeds. 5. Academy - I asked a two-part question a) is it his expectation that the Academy will really start to deliver in terms of bringing players through into the first team and b) does he have ambitions to take the Academy to the next level. To be honest, I don't think he answered the first question! To take Town to the next level would require roughly a further £1.5 million per annum - should Town do that or use that towards the first team? General murmuring was that first team is the priority. 6. Ross Wilson to Southampton gossip - my take on it is that there's some truth to this rumour. He didn't admit it or deny it, but I think there's probably been some contact between the clubs. Just my guess from DH's reaction. However, DH was very upset and disappointed at the negativity that's been spouted about RW's role and responsibility in the club. It's clear DH thinks RW is an asset to the club. It's obvious DH and the club as a whole is well aware of what's been said on social media, but Town can't control twitter, facebook, DATM etc. Be careful what you wish for Town fans! 7. FA Cup - he was desperately disappointed at Town going out with a whimper. He wants a good cup run desperately. Think that more-or-less sums it up. I might have missed some things out. Apparently DH could be holding another Q&A (to be confirmed) before the Charlton match at the end of the month. An oasis in a desert of wittering, moaning, and bleating. Cheers Chris
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Post by mids on Feb 2, 2015 8:49:42 GMT 1
Are you serious? Is that a serious comment in this debate? Deano can say what the fuck he likes about the club - he owns it. And if half-arsed, big mouthed scousers are buying Range Rovers with Dean's money then he can say he hopes they leave without us all shrieking in horror "ooh, how unprofessional!!". I'm sure he doesn't give a monkey's toss whether he falls foul of employment regulation 68 law 5 paragraph 2. I loved his remarks about Gerrard and Gobern yesterday - really made me laugh. Yes I am serious mate Just what colour is that font? Magenta?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2015 9:21:17 GMT 1
All we are doing now in this league is treading water, you know it, I know and everyone on here knows it. This season we should gave been looking to move up towards the top 10 but as usual we are swimming around near the bottom seeing the same old shit performances and the same old mistakes being made. We aren't treading water IMO. Maybe in yours but not in mine. Given the fact it's February and the season hasn't finished yet, we still have the chance to finish much higher than we are currently. This is a tight division as I proved in my original post. I'm intrigued as to what it is you want the club to do that will garantee us top ten. Is it just a change of attitude you want? This is the funniest bit- This season we should gave been looking to move up towards the top 10 but as usual we are swimming around near the bottom seeing the same old shit performances and the same old mistakes being made.If art could wipe the tears away from his eyes for a minute, he might realise that had we won on saturday, we'd have been ............ 10th after the game. Had Sharp not scored the late goal, we'd be 12th!! So that one goal has transformed us from being the club we 'should' be- looking to move up towards the top 10and instead we are' swimming around the bottom with the same shit this and that' All because of that one goal!! Its like the ranting of a small child. A small child who even for a small child has no grasp of reality or understanding and is prone to tear tantrums and soiling themselves everytime something doesn't go their way.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 2, 2015 9:56:38 GMT 1
I think Art must lead a PAMPERed life
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 10:02:01 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 2, 2015 10:12:06 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 11:32:57 GMT 1
I don't think this whole thing is a black/white issue, and there are lots of valid, level-headed and well put points from both sides on everything to do with HTAFC.
For all the doom and gloom, if we'd won on Saturday we would have been temporarily 10th, and things would have felt much rosier - which is all the more frustrating considering we played shit against one of the shittest teams I have ever seen play at out place.
Maybe it's cos I don't come here as much as in the past but I don't feel this perceived negativity surrounding the club is anywhere near as bad as it has been in the past (e.g. around the time of the girls team being disassociated with the club) and from my experience things don't seem too drastic in either direction from fans (and on here). You'll always have the designated 'ultimate negativity' posters who are often unfairly stigmatised, which gives the blind loyalty happy-clappers an excuse to not address the valid points that they make, and completely vice-versa.
The problem is not isolated to our club, football is really now a completely ubiquitous eat-sleep-365 days-always online affair. You can't get away from it, and I think HTAFC now plays a much larger part in out lives that it really ought to. You can't click on Facebook or Twitter or a forum or a newspaper website or the TV without seeing something football related (obviously you'd be very naive indeed to come on a footy forum expecting to talk train spotting). Everyone has a say and an equal platform -, from Tom, Dick and Harry in the Gas Club, to your disgruntled Scouse Twitter loudmouth player (who really should immobilise his thumbs), to the chairman, to the CEO, director of football, half-time announcer, ex-hooligan, supporter-imitative flag manager coordinator, to your WUM from down the road. These people have always had their own opinions on matters, very different from each other, but never before have they had the same stage for them all to clash, and for the resulting fall-out, miss interpretations, offence-taken, dummy alighting prams etc etc that now happens. That is now part and parcel of football in 2015, and everyone from the chairman down needs to accept the new context and adapt to it in a constructive way.
We all want the best for HTAFC, in our own twisted ways.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 2, 2015 11:41:13 GMT 1
we have to be a bit more positive on the pitch..thats it, it wouldn't have required money being spent on Saturday, it wouldn't have endangered this bright future and it would not have broken anyones heart.. for the sake of one young player being given 15 minutes instead of one, we could at least have given the opposition something to think about. An opposition who needed the point(s) more than we did and who would have walked away very happy with a point. We made the decision for them and they took advantage. We can spend whatever Dean has got but if you the intiative at home to a side that after 15 minutes only put one attack of any note together in the next hours football you get what you deserve, nothing..
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 19:43:20 GMT 1
The irony of muppets blubbering on that dean hoyle should throw millions more of his money at the club , whilst at the same time announcing they aren't prepared to waste any more of their money is hillarious. Its the same after every bad result- the deluded appear to dazzle us with their cluelessness. MAMMA MAMMA If i am a muppet you must be one of those talking dolls with the string that disappears as they talk, its all you ever say, put your own millions in or don't criticise blah blah. How much as been spent this season on new Huddersfield Town players using the money raised from Hunts sale, the summer transfers of Norwood and Clayton and the latest rhodes installment cash. How much did those transfers raise and how much put back into the team on the new players? 50%, 40% 20% go on tell me without pulling your string.
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Post by rocky on Feb 2, 2015 20:02:06 GMT 1
The irony of muppets blubbering on that dean hoyle should throw millions more of his money at the club , whilst at the same time announcing they aren't prepared to waste any more of their money is hillarious. Its the same after every bad result- the deluded appear to dazzle us with their cluelessness. MAMMA MAMMA If i am a muppet you must be one of those talking dolls with the string that disappears as they talk, its all you ever say, put your own millions in or don't criticise blah blah. How much as been spent this season on new Huddersfield Town players using the money raised from Hunts sale, the summer transfers of Norwood and Clayton and the latest rhodes installment cash. How much did those transfers raise and how much put back into the team on the new players? 50%, 40% 20% go on tell me without pulling your string. Why the fuck is it so difficult for you to understand something that DH has explained on countless occasions?
You talk about talking dolls - you display about as much intelligence as one. It's just one unstructured moan after another.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 2, 2015 20:05:06 GMT 1
The irony of muppets blubbering on that dean hoyle should throw millions more of his money at the club , whilst at the same time announcing they aren't prepared to waste any more of their money is hillarious. Its the same after every bad result- the deluded appear to dazzle us with their cluelessness. MAMMA MAMMA If i am a muppet you must be one of those talking dolls with the string that disappears as they talk, its all you ever say, put your own millions in or don't criticise blah blah. How much as been spent this season on new Huddersfield Town players using the money raised from Hunts sale, the summer transfers of Norwood and Clayton and the latest rhodes installment cash. How much did those transfers raise and how much put back into the team on the new players? 50%, 40% 20% go on tell me without pulling your string. On transfer fees we paid Bradford £1.3M for Wells, Kiddy £300k for Lolley and I'm not sure what we paid Start for Tronstad. But let's see what the financial results are when we had a wage bill of over £12m 2 years ago, before we start criticising the level of spending shall we?
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