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Post by E4b on Feb 1, 2015 23:19:15 GMT 1
The working class fan that spends a large chunk of his wages following town these days, with the shite they serve up, is worth 10 Dean Hoyles to me You're taking the Ward to Rotherham thing hard aren't you mate. Time is a great healer. The pain will go away one day My answer to you my friend is NO. Wardy is only one example of how clueless our current manager and Chariman are. I would pick Hammill over Scannell or Bunn any day of the week, Gerrard should at least be getting a slot on the bench if not replacing Hudson from time to time, Lolley, Gobern etc etc. It would not surprise me one little bit if there are others who no longer want to play under this regime. The manager can't attract players over the likes of Fatty Evans at Rotherham, we can't compete with the 'laughing stock' from down the road these days. A lot of things are not good!!! Next we will have the usual numpties coming on here saying things are better now than they were under Davy to which I agree, and to which any town fan would agree but there are clearly some problems in the background and we are only getting one side of the story.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Feb 1, 2015 23:21:18 GMT 1
Galpharm, unfortunately it is now about survival not progression... Previously referred to as 'consolidation'.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 1, 2015 23:25:54 GMT 1
Hoyle has changed the club dramatically for the good but unfortunately now the club appear to have hit a brick wall and they don't appear to know what to do about it. The squad is dangerously paper thin with one day to go of the transfer window, is there going to be 3 signings announced tomorrow? I very much doubt it. To hear Hoyle admit that the playing budget for next season is going to be cut even further, points to one thing for me....relegation, should we stay up this season of course. How has the club hit a brick wall? Edit I've copy and pasted this from a previous thread which didn't get a lot of traffic, probably because it was a positive thread... This is our league position since 06/07 06/07 - League 1 - 15th 07/08 - League 1 - 10th 08/09 - League 1 - 9th 09/10 - League 1 - play off semi finalists 10/11 - League 1 - play off finalists 11/12 - League 1 - play off winners 12/13 - Championship - 19th 13/14 - Championship - 17th Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/95276/steady-progress-pun-intended#ixzz3QVoAuz4iWe currently sit 17th on 34 points along with 5 other teams - reading, Fulham, Cardiff, Bolton, forest. All have vastly higher wage budgets. All have spent a lot of money this season and recent seasons. Money which we don't have. Off the field we have the shares back, which was a big thing to this club. Canalside. One of the top facilities outside the premier league. It was built all at the expense of our chairman - Dean Hoyle. Sometimes you need to be proud of what we have achieved as opposed to angry at what we haven't. If not we can always have the days of league 2 football Infront of crowds of 4k? Dean Hoyle has given this club more chance of being successful than many of the previous chairman. If the fans who think we aren't doing it right feel so strongly about it then they should have come down and questioned the decisions made yesterday at his Q+A. Great post Ben!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:27:13 GMT 1
How has the club hit a brick wall? Edit I've copy and pasted this from a previous thread which didn't get a lot of traffic, probably because it was a positive thread... This is our league position since 06/07 06/07 - League 1 - 15th 07/08 - League 1 - 10th 08/09 - League 1 - 9th 09/10 - League 1 - play off semi finalists 10/11 - League 1 - play off finalists 11/12 - League 1 - play off winners 12/13 - Championship - 19th 13/14 - Championship - 17th Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/95276/steady-progress-pun-intended#ixzz3QVoAuz4iWe currently sit 17th on 34 points along with 5 other teams - reading, Fulham, Cardiff, Bolton, forest. All have vastly higher wage budgets. All have spent a lot of money this season and recent seasons. Money which we don't have. Off the field we have the shares back, which was a big thing to this club. Canalside. One of the top facilities outside the premier league. It was built all at the expense of our chairman - Dean Hoyle. Sometimes you need to be proud of what we have achieved as opposed to angry at what we haven't. If not we can always have the days of league 2 football Infront of crowds of 4k? Dean Hoyle has given this club more chance of being successful than many of the previous chairman. If the fans who think we aren't doing it right feel so strongly about it then they should have come down and questioned the decisions made yesterday at his Q+A. Great post Ben! Sadly I've not had a response.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 1, 2015 23:28:36 GMT 1
The wheels seem to be falling off this season. Disgruntled chairman, players ostracised, useless manager. Your wheels clearly fell off a long time ago. Put your millions in and show Dean where he's gone wrong.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Feb 1, 2015 23:30:57 GMT 1
I often get frustrated at the quality of player we struggle to attract, however it is clear that as much as we supporters put in to the club the massive shortfall of several millions each season is funded by DH. Without that financial support one of two things would have to happen; get interest bearing funding from a 3rd party and be exposed to that 3rd party having an interest in club affairs or ; cut the wage bill by several millions so expenditure matches income.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:31:30 GMT 1
You're taking the Ward to Rotherham thing hard aren't you mate. Time is a great healer. The pain will go away one day So why are they numpties for saying it then, unless you're one of the numpties?
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Post by bullard on Feb 1, 2015 23:35:04 GMT 1
You're taking the Ward to Rotherham thing hard aren't you mate. Time is a great healer. The pain will go away one day My answer to you my friend is NO. Wardy is only one example of how clueless our current manager and Chariman are. I would pick Hammill over Scannell or Bunn any day of the week, Gerrard should at least be getting a slot on the bench if not replacing Hudson from time to time, Lolley, Gobern etc etc. It would not surprise me one little bit if there are others who no longer want to play under this regime. The manager can't attract players over the likes of Fatty Evans at Rotherham, we can't compete with the 'laughing stock' from down the road these days. A lot of things are not good!!! Next we will have the usual numpties coming on here saying things are better now than they were under Davy to which I agree, and to which any town fan would agree but there are clearly some problems in the background and we are only getting one side of the story. Do you know what these lads are like behind the scenes pal? Do you know that they aren't bad influences, a lad that has been done for assaulting a female paramedic, had personal issues on facebook and was rumoured to have other personal issues, isn't really good news is he? These people we are getting rid of are that good, they've just about kept us up over the last two years. Ward never really excelled in league 1 for us, yet you wish they were still at the club? Early you said you appreciate DH, perhaps you ought to look at the situation at Forrest, they had a chairman who loved the club and put his own money in, without the fans really noticing. They too kicked up a stink, the fella sadly passed away and now they are owned by Fawaz. Who's pilled money in via a company that sponsors the shirts, which has been created to get round FFP, oh and wait they have an embargo on them. It's all rosey over there now isn't it. DH is setting up the club to have decent foundations, we are getting shut of the deadwood and starting a fresh. Hopefully with an ethos that everyone buys into, everyone can say look at Burnley, they managed on a low budget. Non of their players thought they were big time and better than anyone else, they all fought for one another and it was as much about team spirit as anything else. You tell me that AG brings huge team spirit
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Post by terrierdaz on Feb 1, 2015 23:36:55 GMT 1
Ben
Don't you think the reason that no one is prepared to go to the meeting and question any decisions , are that the meeting while being open to everyone , the main attendees are by default supporters of the regime in charge and anyone asking searching questions would be swiftly rounded upon by the crowd? ( Then be marked as Negative by the club)
Note : I personally have no problems with the regime etc ,just giving you the other side of the coin
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 1, 2015 23:39:04 GMT 1
You're taking the Ward to Rotherham thing hard aren't you mate. Time is a great healer. The pain will go away one day My answer to you my friend is NO. Wardy is only one example of how clueless our current manager and Chariman are. I would pick Hammill over Scannell or Bunn any day of the week, Gerrard should at least be getting a slot on the bench if not replacing Hudson from time to time, Lolley, Gobern etc etc. It would not surprise me one little bit if there are others who no longer want to play under this regime. The manager can't attract players over the likes of Fatty Evans at Rotherham, we can't compete with the 'laughing stock' from down the road these days. A lot of things are not good!!! Next we will have the usual numpties coming on here saying things are better now than they were under Davy to which I agree, and to which any town fan would agree but there are clearly some problems in the background and we are only getting one side of the story. Keywords highlighted
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 1, 2015 23:39:29 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shown Unable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:44:16 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownUnable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now. Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here.
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Post by bullard on Feb 1, 2015 23:44:35 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shown Unable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now. Just out of interest who would be the realistic strikers you would get in?
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Post by thrice on Feb 1, 2015 23:45:28 GMT 1
Did he mention what the next set of published accounts will look like?
Somebody mentioned -£7m the other day!
That being the case we need to be cutting our cloth accordingly.
Let's see what tomorrow brings but if anything we are seemingly being over ambitious in whom we are targeting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:45:55 GMT 1
Ben Don't you think the reason that no one is prepared to go to the meeting and question any decisions , are that the meeting while being open to everyone , the main attendees are by default supporters of the regime in charge and anyone asking searching questions would be swiftly rounded upon by the crowd? ( Then be marked as Negative by the club) Note : I personally have no problems with the regime etc ,just giving you the other side of the coin No not at all Daz. Dean was asked about towns ladies team yesterday by a lad who's daughter plays for them. The lad wasn't happy with Dean or the club, Dean answered the questions though and explained the issue. If fans don't feel satisfied with the way the clubs been run, use the q+a to ask.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:47:27 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shown Unable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now. Just out of interest who would be the realistic strikers you would get in? And indeed, which are the ones we could have signed that have gone elsewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:50:30 GMT 1
Ben Don't you think the reason that no one is prepared to go to the meeting and question any decisions , are that the meeting while being open to everyone , the main attendees are by default supporters of the regime in charge and anyone asking searching questions would be swiftly rounded upon by the crowd? ( Then be marked as Negative by the club) Note : I personally have no problems with the regime etc ,just giving you the other side of the coin No not at all Daz. Dean was asked about towns ladies team yesterday by a lad who's daughter plays for them. The lad wasn't happy with Dean or the club, Dean answered the questions though and explained the issue. If fans don't feel satisfied with the way the clubs been run, use the q+a to ask. I'd have massive respect for anybody that stood up and asked Dean a difficult question, obviously the Q&A's aren't conducive to putting you're head above the parapet and asking challenging questions to the owner, but it's the best chance you've got.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 1, 2015 23:51:51 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownUnable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now. Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here. and we let Jordan Rhodes go immediately didn't we and made no effort to hold on to him? Why do winging unappreciative sods write such bullshit?
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 1, 2015 23:57:10 GMT 1
All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownUnable to build a team because of the above Unable to compete with other clubs for the signings we need Loans and cheap options to square a circle. Over two years ago i told you he had changed his tune and no one believed me just another winging unappreciative sod i am. I said years ago get rid of the deadwood....oh you cant do that you all said blah blah its hard to get rid of players but now it suits Deano its like cillit bang there all gone. Saturday was just another match i am over it, but what i am not happy about is the striker saga. Totally unprofessional from the club. We have freed up a hell of a lot of wages and could have afforded to get a good striker in , but in true ARKWRIGHT style were not going to do that are we, as there is no value in the jan window i.e. they dont come cheap enough. Its not like it happened all of a sudden and we hadnt planned to get a striker in. So now we will go for a loan player and waste more money on someone who we will never make money on and hope that they will give 100% week in week out for the cause. Deano as realised its costing too much thats why the millions made from recent player sales is not going back into the side and if and when so called replacements are signed it carries the air of just done enough to keep ticking over. I get the feeling that once every saleable player that can turn a profit is sold he will find a buyer because he is simply not enjoying it enough to pump in whats needed so he is cutting back and hoped that the cover ffp provided him to do so would be done by others which clearly has not been the case. Team performance and quality of football is not high enough on the agenda at Huddersfield Town or it would have been sorted by now. Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here. Well he is only just this season under showing consistency and no offers came this January. Do you have any other examples?
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Post by terrierdaz on Feb 1, 2015 23:58:57 GMT 1
Ben Don't you think the reason that no one is prepared to go to the meeting and question any decisions , are that the meeting while being open to everyone , the main attendees are by default supporters of the regime in charge and anyone asking searching questions would be swiftly rounded upon by the crowd? ( Then be marked as Negative by the club) Note : I personally have no problems with the regime etc ,just giving you the other side of the coin No not at all Daz. Dean was asked about towns ladies team yesterday by a lad who's daughter plays for them. The lad wasn't happy with Dean or the club, Dean answered the questions though and explained the issue. If fans don't feel satisfied with the way the clubs been run, use the q+a to ask. I have been to loads of these Q+A meetings, and TBH its the same thing over and over again , I disagree that anything of any real note is asked. The room is full of people who seem to have blind loyalty to what is being done at OUR CLUB. I prefer these days to make my own mind up about things. Before you say I am being negative etc , I don't just mean the football , I look at the whole HTFC experience , the commercial side , the way people are treated, I can give examples of good , bad and quite frankly appalling experiences. Overall I think DH has done a great job to this point, however he is the figure head of HTFC and when you are at the top you are there to be shot at ( Figuratively speaking )so the buck stops with him. If one of my employee's fucks up on site ultimately to my customer the buck stops with me. I have asked questions of most of the directors and not got a straight answer in the past . PS mate any more news on the Holt shirt ( again not a good experience)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:01:41 GMT 1
Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here. and we let Jordan Rhodes go immediately didn't we and made no effort to hold on to him? Why do winging unappreciative sods write such bullshit? Because when we hit a bumpy patch, ie lose a game it's far easier to write negative bullshit!
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 2, 2015 0:03:07 GMT 1
I appreciate everything Dean has done and continues to do for HTFC,but with him being the direct employer of the players he has opened himself up to criticism. If the comment was made within the confines of the HTFC management/board then there's nothing to criticize, but it was made in a public environment When the main man at Card factory did he make comments reference staff in a public way ? When you employ people you cannot do this , as you could be seen to be constructively dismissing said employee.... Dean is a passionate guy and has turned this club around, but the amount of people on here who think he can do no wrong is staggering.Dean is a savvy businessman and die hard Town fan who in my mind is as open to criticism as any other Town fan. well put daz
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:05:30 GMT 1
Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here. and we let Jordan Rhodes go immediately didn't we and made no effort to hold on to him? Why do winging unappreciative sods write such bullshit? It was club policy to buy and sell talent, or are you going to try and deny that too? I never mentioned JR this post shortsight or whatever your name is ok. But you can never square the circle because there is no team building going on.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 2, 2015 0:05:47 GMT 1
Great post Ben! Sadly I've not had a response. All we are doing now in this league is treading water, you know it, I know and everyone on here knows it. This season we should gave been looking to move up towards the top 10 but as usual we are swimming around near the bottom seeing the same old shit performances and the same old mistakes being made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:10:38 GMT 1
Without reading any further than the first line, please explain why Scannell is still here. Well he is only just this season under showing consistency and no offers came this January. Do you have any other examples? Wriggle wriggle. You said ALL.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:11:55 GMT 1
well said. MOD as just given a perfect breakdown on aston villas negative fearful play sideways and backwards, does it ring any bells anyone ?
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Post by bullard on Feb 2, 2015 0:12:01 GMT 1
Sadly I've not had a response. All we are doing now in this league is treading water, you know it, I know and everyone on here knows it. This season we should gave been looking to move up towards the top 10 but as usual we are swimming around near the bottom seeing the same old shit performances and the same old mistakes being made. And at this minute in time we are clearing out the deadwood that have given us those shit performances, but what's the point in trying to bring in players permanently in January when average players are overpriced never mind what we need, players contracts up at the end of the season is when we need to get to business. Let's be honest, we reckon to have got money for Pelts, that says it all.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 2, 2015 0:17:12 GMT 1
and we let Jordan Rhodes go immediately didn't we and made no effort to hold on to him? Why do winging unappreciative sods write such bullshit? It was club policy to buy and sell talent, or are you going to try and deny that too? I never mentioned JR this post shortsight or whatever your name is ok. But you can never square the circle because there is no team building going on. What do your words mean then Mr. 20/20? All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shown
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:17:44 GMT 1
Well he is only just this season under showing consistency and no offers came this January. Do you have any other examples? Wriggle wriggle. You said ALL. No wriggling pal powell stopped the possible move didnt he deano could hardly let his brand new manager not have his way . he will be gone sooner than later if he continues to play well and replaced with a loanee for part of the season. You know i am right and your just been a tit. We sell our best players over and over again. Yes all clubs do it but the difference is most clubs have quite a few other stars left to rely on especially in this division.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 2, 2015 0:20:18 GMT 1
It was club policy to buy and sell talent, or are you going to try and deny that too? I never mentioned JR this post shortsight or whatever your name is ok. But you can never square the circle because there is no team building going on. What do your words mean then Mr. 20/20? All talent immediately sold as soon as any interest is shownhunt, clayton, norwood, pilkington, rhodes name me a player we said sorry he's not for sale and didnt go on to sell him?
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