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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 19, 2015 19:32:30 GMT 1
I was referring to Rotherham at home, although the away performance weren't upto much either. Norwich, we got tonked 5-0 and Leeds away was garbage. My definition of dross and yours is poles apart. Some Town fans are easily pleased. It has nothing to do with being easily pleased. It is often possible to see good aspects within a poor result. If I could not see & appreciate the good aspects in a loss, or draw at Rotherham; after reading your posts on a loss I would be more inclined to commit suicide than go to another match! Fortunately, I am not so easily influenced by people spouting negative crap. I'm all for the positives as ling as the positives are built upon, which, more often than not, they aren't. To make ourselves better the negative aspects need to be ironed out and addressed.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 19, 2015 19:37:22 GMT 1
Don't get to way games much now and only been to one this season. But the home games have in the main been entertaining and weve had a go with quite a few of them being crackers to watch. A few stinkers but no different from any other season and a lot better than many. I said the Leeds game was a low quality affair, as derbys often are, but the fact it was tight and against Leeds made it exciting. If you don't enjoy it anymore, stop going. Yesterday was enjoyable, as was the Watford home game and the Forest home fame too but unfortunately the rest have ranged average to poor. I do enjoy going or I wouldn't spend all that time schlepping up and down the country, buying train tickets months in advance, booking hotels for overnight stays for long distance games on a Tuesday night, although I haven't done any of those this season. To be honest, I've been going that long now, I can't stop going!!
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Post by shawsie on Apr 19, 2015 19:44:20 GMT 1
Hes hated this season. If we ( and the club) are lucky he'll find a different hobby he can enjoy more. Its been crap in the main, whether you think it hasn't or not. You thought the Leeds home game was 'exciting', which I still find strange. It was akin to watching paint dry as have upmteen games this season. You should start watching them away, then you might appreciate how poor it cam be at times. No it hasn't art!!! When it's been bad (reading in the cup, brum, rovrum at home, Norwich, brentford, Charlton away) it's been utterly dreadful.............but when it's been good (forest, Watford, Ipswich, brentford, wolves and reading away) it's been as good as most of what we have seen in last 3 yrs - indeed arguably better as we are now competing well with the best teams at this level, not just beating teams in the bottom half. Lots more still to do, but I think you are confusing general crapness with being crap when we are expected to perform eg rovrum twice, Leeds twice and reading in the cup. Slaps is spot on - it's a rollercoaster of good bad and indifferent - just like most town seasons at home. Like him I don't go as often away now, but even at one of the few I've done this term at Watford we competed for most of the game and but for individual errors would have got something. The squad has under performed this season IMO - not by much though and Powell deserves some credit for the shite start he inherited where we looked like a rag tag outfit. Whether he can lift us this summer with good recruitment remains to be seen.
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Post by patfield on Apr 19, 2015 19:48:54 GMT 1
Well I've waited for the dust to settle a bit. I've been highly critical of Powell and his boring negative approach but recently I'm glad to have been proved wrong. I have to bow down to CP and the squad for the magnificent effort over the last few games and also admit to the captain, chips et all that I have been wrong in my opinions. I'm glad we seem to be back on track and in future I will give my head a shake before spouting the shit I have done recently.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 19:49:26 GMT 1
Your just a subtle WUM Art, made my mind up.
"Average to poor" ha ha, very good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 19:55:38 GMT 1
It has nothing to do with being easily pleased. It is often possible to see good aspects within a poor result. If I could not see & appreciate the good aspects in a loss, or draw at Rotherham; after reading your posts on a loss I would be more inclined to commit suicide than go to another match! Fortunately, I am not so easily influenced by people spouting negative crap. I'm all for the positives as ling as the positives are built upon, which, more often than not, they aren't. To make ourselves better the negative aspects need to be ironed out and addressed. You have obviously never managed people, at least not successfuly, if think you should use negative generalities like dross to describe the quantity of, or even part of, games as you are trying to. If a manager of your mindset were to join any club there would be a player revolt quite rapidly.
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Post by Giggity on Apr 19, 2015 20:19:27 GMT 1
Who does Hoyle hold accountable for us not finishing 10th then? The players or the manager?
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Apr 19, 2015 20:29:57 GMT 1
Who does Hoyle hold accountable for us not finishing 10th then? The players or the manager? The other clubs in the league?
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Post by wtd on Apr 19, 2015 21:41:09 GMT 1
Well I've waited for the dust to settle a bit. I've been highly critical of Powell and his boring negative approach but recently I'm glad to have been proved wrong. I have to bow down to CP and the squad for the magnificent effort over the last few games and also admit to the captain, chips et all that I have been wrong in my opinions. I'm glad we seem to be back on track and in future I will give my head a shake before spouting the shit I have done recently. Love it when folk own up.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2015 23:53:09 GMT 1
Don't get to way games much now and only been to one this season. But the home games have in the main been entertaining and weve had a go with quite a few of them being crackers to watch. A few stinkers but no different from any other season and a lot better than many. I said the Leeds game was a low quality affair, as derbys often are, but the fact it was tight and against Leeds made it exciting. If you don't enjoy it anymore, stop going. Yesterday was enjoyable, as was the Watford home game and the Forest home fame too but unfortunately the rest have ranged average to poor. I do enjoy going or I wouldn't spend all that time schlepping up and down the country, buying train tickets months in advance, booking hotels for overnight stays for long distance games on a Tuesday night, although I haven't done any of those this season. To be honest, I've been going that long now, I can't stop going!! That sums up your problem. You only enjoy it when we win well or its at least a humdinger of a game like yesterday. If we don't win you think its crap, dull, no entertainment. You'd be better off supporting one of the Manchester clubs or Chelsea. Town, especially above League 1 level, aren't going to be what you need. Seriously, if all I was interested in doing was finding the negative in my club, Id lose interest pretty quickly. I know you go home and away which amazes me. With your attitude it must be some kind of masochistic self hurt thing youve got going!!
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Post by shawsie on Apr 20, 2015 5:39:06 GMT 1
Who does Hoyle hold accountable for us not finishing 10th then? The players or the manager? The buck stops with the manager giggity.......but I would suggest that a slightly lower finish than expected, together with zero ft recruitment due to his appointment timing and a lack of true quality availability at our price range in jan, plus an excellent disposal of chief architects of our inconsistency or players who didn't fit into his plans (Gerrard, hammill, ward, Dixon, crooks et al) in jan has allowed the manager the time this summer to recruit better and kick on. The manager and players have at times set the bar much higher this season - that's why the vitriol has been stronger this season when we've badly under performed. With 3/4 additiona, some young talent emerging and the rest of the squad staying with us and fit and healthy should see us progress again next season. That would be another one ------ 8 on the bounce I think! Not bad that in the mad bad world of football!!!
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 20, 2015 8:54:12 GMT 1
How was DH's mood? Every time I hear/see/read anything from him these days, he seems increasingly pissed off. He used to be rallying the troops but now seems a bit down. Obviously, that's partly understandable if he's chucking away his own personal fortune at times to bankroll the club and he's not super-rich enough to be able to let that continue indefinitely. Does anyone think he's had enough or was he still enthusiastic about the club?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 8:59:17 GMT 1
How was DH's mood? Every time I hear/see/read anything from him these days, he seems increasingly pissed off. He used to be rallying the troops but now seems a bit down. Obviously, that's partly understandable if he's chucking away his own personal fortune at times to bankroll the club and he's not super-rich enough to be able to let that continue indefinitely. Does anyone think he's had enough or was he still enthusiastic about the club? Only caught the last few minutes (watching the U18s) seemed in very good humour and as enthusiastic as ever to me.
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 20, 2015 9:05:09 GMT 1
How was DH's mood? Every time I hear/see/read anything from him these days, he seems increasingly pissed off. He used to be rallying the troops but now seems a bit down. Obviously, that's partly understandable if he's chucking away his own personal fortune at times to bankroll the club and he's not super-rich enough to be able to let that continue indefinitely. Does anyone think he's had enough or was he still enthusiastic about the club? Only caught the last few minutes (watching the U18s) seemed in very good humour and as enthusiastic as ever to me. That's good to hear. It's a big relief that he's still in charge. Much better to have a fan involved at some level even if he wanted to look for other investors (and who could blame him?) to share the burden. We'd be in big trouble if he'd had enough.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 21, 2015 11:44:25 GMT 1
For me this season has actually seen us move forward albeit at a very slow pace.
I think the overall quality in the squad has improved and we seem t have a happier camp. That sad performances have varied between very good and bloody awful, that inconsistency needs to be eliminated.
The jury is out on Powell but am more than prepared to give him a full chance with a pre-season behind him to lead his players into a full Championship season. I think he has done what he thought he had to to keep us up, and to be fair he has done that. We should remember that we started with a lame duck manager who should have been relieved of his duties this time last year. The decision to persevere with Robins has, to a large extent, shaped our season. Powell now has to take this group of players, build on the elements of spirit that has, at times, been evident and attack next season with confidence and belief.
If we can add to the squad (lets be honest bar 13/14 we are very thin now) with quality and the right character then we can progress again. If we get a team who fight, play for each other, with belief and look like they are enjoying themselves then even the most curmudgeonly might be a bit happier.
This is a tough league, but I think we have fallen slightly below the standard we were capable of this time. It's time to aim higher and deliver at that level too.
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