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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 19:15:37 GMT 1
I saw Bury at AFC Wimbledon last season whilst Holmes was on loan. His body language that day wasn't good from what I saw. Holmes was a sub and sat on the bench in the furthest corner from where the Bury manager was stood. He spent most of the time either leaning against the back of the dugout or contemplating his feet. I think he got up just the once to stretch his legs. As soon as Bury made their third substitution Holmes strolled round the pitch and disappeared into the changing rooms. Ten minutes or so later he was back on the bench, sat in the corner again. Just saying what I saw........ Obviously Powell's influence. If there was one thing about Chris Powell I would like to see change it's that.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 19, 2015 19:20:37 GMT 1
Can barely see Holmes making the bench this season
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 19, 2015 19:35:52 GMT 1
Can barely see Holmes making the bench this season He looks better now he has had his hair cut. He must be well down in the pecking order though. If he's good enough he will come through.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 19, 2015 19:38:08 GMT 1
Can barely see Holmes making the bench this season Not ours anyway if he's going out on loan again. Mind you I'm not sure about sicknote's chances either (not JV)
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 19, 2015 19:40:51 GMT 1
Barrat Homes has more chance of playing tbf.
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Post by wtd on Jul 19, 2015 19:46:47 GMT 1
I thought Holmes would be a good understudy to Butterfield but with Dempsey coming in I cant see a way through to the first team for him. He played some great balls through at Guiseley and was at the heart of plenty of our attacking plays. Seems a shame to me. He was instrumental in our first goal, I'll give you that, but I disagree with the rest of what you say... I thought he was anonymous most of the time and against such mediocre opposition he really should be able to impose himself more. First kick of the season, I know, but it was the same for Guiseley.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 19, 2015 19:52:57 GMT 1
Can barely see Holmes making the bench this season Not ours anyway if he's going out on loan again. Mind you I'm not sure about sicknote's chances either (not JV) Hoggy will be fine!!
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Post by specialone on Jul 19, 2015 19:59:04 GMT 1
So when Duane Holmes looks at his feet on Bury's bench it's Powell's fault?!
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Jul 19, 2015 21:36:40 GMT 1
I thought Holmes would be a good understudy to Butterfield but with Dempsey coming in I cant see a way through to the first team for him. He played some great balls through at Guiseley and was at the heart of plenty of our attacking plays. Seems a shame to me. He was instrumental in our first goal, I'll give you that, but I disagree with the rest of what you say... I thought he was anonymous most of the time and against such mediocre opposition he really should be able to impose himself more. First kick of the season, I know, but it was the same for Guiseley. I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game.
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Post by hudmat on Jul 19, 2015 21:43:19 GMT 1
He was instrumental in our first goal, I'll give you that, but I disagree with the rest of what you say... I thought he was anonymous most of the time and against such mediocre opposition he really should be able to impose himself more. First kick of the season, I know, but it was the same for Guiseley. I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game. This is exactly as I saw it, Scannell had a lot of the ball and produced very little, Holmes had little of the ball and produced a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 21:44:02 GMT 1
Scannel is a strange one, only one good season with us, tricky, but doesn't score or create many, but sometimes gets double marked giving more space for our others.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2015 22:01:40 GMT 1
Scannel is a strange one, only one good season with us, tricky, but doesn't score or create many, but sometimes gets double marked giving more space for our others. I don't think I've ever seen a player who is seemingly so hard to brush off the ball but at the same time just doesn't seem to have the impact that ability should allow him.
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Post by wtd on Jul 19, 2015 22:02:50 GMT 1
He was instrumental in our first goal, I'll give you that, but I disagree with the rest of what you say... I thought he was anonymous most of the time and against such mediocre opposition he really should be able to impose himself more. First kick of the season, I know, but it was the same for Guiseley. I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game. He played about 60 minutes as it happens and, for me, quite a lot of the play passed him by. As you say, he is capable of good things (and maybe, just maybe, I am being a touch too critical ), but these moments are somewhat fleeting, and until he imposes himself on more of the play he will never be first pick.
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Jul 19, 2015 22:23:00 GMT 1
I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game. He played about 60 minutes as it happens and, for me, quite a lot of the play passed him by. As you say, he is capable of good things (and maybe, just maybe, I am being a touch too critical ), but these moments are somewhat fleeting, and until he imposes himself on more of the play he will never be first pick. Fair point on the duration. Could've sworn he was subbed at halftime, but you are correct about featuring in the 2nd half. Not remembering he played in the 2nd half helps the point I'm trying to make. Haha. Do'h! Also have to agree somewhat with not imposing himself enough in matches, but certainly promise still there as he tends to do good things with the ball. Whether or not he comes to friution with Town, is another thing. Fingers crossed though.
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Post by wtd on Jul 19, 2015 23:01:06 GMT 1
He played about 60 minutes as it happens and, for me, quite a lot of the play passed him by. As you say, he is capable of good things (and maybe, just maybe, I am being a touch too critical ), but these moments are somewhat fleeting, and until he imposes himself on more of the play he will never be first pick. Fair point on the duration. Could've sworn he was subbed at halftime, but you are correct about featuring in the 2nd half. Not remembering he played in the 2nd half helps the point I'm trying to make. Haha. Do'h! Also have to agree somewhat with not imposing himself enough in matches, but certainly promise still there as he tends to do good things with the ball. Whether or not he comes to friution with Town, is another thing. Fingers crossed though. I'm really hoping the attitude and work-rate of this lad Dempsey has a positive effect on the likes of Holmes and Billing. Nobody is going to present them with an easy opportunity to become first team players... they are going to have to earn the right with dedication and application. Really wouldn't mind this lad setting the cat amongst the pigeons with the whole squad with regards to attitude. Success comes from bloody hard work and a positive mindset.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jul 20, 2015 0:11:13 GMT 1
I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game. This is exactly as I saw it, Scannell had a lot of the ball and produced very little, Holmes had little of the ball and produced a lot. You could argue that all the midfielders should be taking the piss outta Guiseley so why single out Duane? If he can come on in games and put Wells or any other teammate in so effortlessly every time thats good enough for me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 0:28:39 GMT 1
Maybe time to let him go.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jul 20, 2015 0:30:08 GMT 1
Everyone spunkin about Hiwula and Dempsey and they havent played a competitive game yet, think CP got this wrong id ave Holmes on the bench everytime can change a match loaning him to league 1 or 2 side hows that gonna improve his game? he needs to play with and against the better technical players, he's 20 ffs he's got the technical ability its about giving him time/experience in and around the Championship like with Bunn Smith Lolley and any other promising young player we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 0:45:03 GMT 1
I think you're being a tad bit critical there mate. I fully respect your opinion, but he not only set up the first goal with a decent through ball, he almost set up Bunn for 1-on-1 had it not been for a super last ditch tackle to prevent Bunn from breaking clear of the defence and was also involved in the 2nd goal, keeping alive the ball in centre midfield before passing out wide. Not bad considering he only played 45 minutes. Compare that to Scannell for example, who didn't create a tremendous amount, but still terrorised opposition defence, according to many others at the game. This is exactly as I saw it, Scannell had a lot of the ball and produced very little, Holmes had little of the ball and produced a lot. Sounds like the Paul Daniels of football. For what its worth, whilst I wouldnt disagree, and I believe Scannells contribution is oft over egged, other than the 10-15 seconds of positive action from Holmes vs Guiseley, he looked quite poor. I think as a team and club we've simply passed him by. If we hadnt been promoted he would likely be a regular this coming season, as it is, loan somewhere to earn a deal next summer is probably best all round if the lad wants a career as a footballer.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 20, 2015 1:03:25 GMT 1
Scannell's Body + Roberts' Head = Edin Hazard or Dukes of Hazzard.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 20, 2015 16:45:24 GMT 1
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Post by ritchie on Jul 20, 2015 17:03:39 GMT 1
You know these weird things you say really arent as clever said out loud as in your head.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 20, 2015 17:05:58 GMT 1
1) It was unoriginal when you said it yesterday 2) deeply unfunny 3) no one responded yesterday so you've tried again 4) still unfunny And Barratt spelt wrong
Fail with a capital F
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2015 0:02:07 GMT 1
Holmes needs loaning out. Hes proved he can play and do well in games against other youngsters but he has to prove now he can play against men, and so far hes failed miserably at that. Trouble is finding a level where he'll get enough game time. Couldn't at Yeovil in L1 or Bury in L2. Even if he goes and plays in non- league it would be better for his development than playing in our stiffs against teenagers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 1:23:18 GMT 1
Everyone spunkin about Hiwula and Dempsey and they havent played a competitive game yet, think CP got this wrong id ave Holmes on the bench everytime can change a match loaning him to league 1 or 2 side hows that gonna improve his game? he needs to play with and against the better technical players, he's 20 ffs he's got the technical ability its about giving him time/experience in and around the Championship like with Bunn Smith Lolley and any other promising young player we have. Dempsey has already done a lot more in one season that Duane has in his two including loans to a championship and league two club. Ergo youloan the one out who needs to prove his worth and we can't afford to wait for him to suddenly find the magic...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 21, 2015 17:16:18 GMT 1
Send him to sadford, he will do a job,
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Post by k1htafc on Jul 21, 2015 17:39:11 GMT 1
Send him to sadford, he will do a job, Unless they're relaying the pitch over there, the only thing he'll do is break his ankles...
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 22, 2015 10:09:42 GMT 1
If he kicks on he could make it into the USA squad! USA USA!
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 24, 2015 8:13:21 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Jul 24, 2015 8:35:57 GMT 1
Everyone spunkin about Hiwula and Dempsey and they havent played a competitive game yet, think CP got this wrong id ave Holmes on the bench everytime can change a match loaning him to league 1 or 2 side hows that gonna improve his game? he needs to play with and against the better technical players, he's 20 ffs he's got the technical ability its about giving him time/experience in and around the Championship like with Bunn Smith Lolley and any other promising young player we have. Hope you're right pal but whenever I've seen him he certainly changes the match but he changes it into a match where we're effectively playing with ten men. Not surprised he didnt get much game time last season, looked a total liability when given a chance and produce sweet FA. Looked like the skillfull younger kid in the playground who just gets steamrollered by the bigger boys.
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