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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 6, 2015 11:08:56 GMT 1
I still remember the golden days when our Real Madrid like status ensured we never sold players
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 11:14:36 GMT 1
I think buying and selling is mostly about timing it right. We have taken the opportunity to sell him early for a good fee. I'm sure we won't always get it right but seem to be playing the transfer game with a clever eye on the probabilities. Luckily for us many clubs are not playing the transfer system with a sensible head.
Liked him and hope he will be (modestly) successful.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 11:14:41 GMT 1
I still remember the golden days when our Real Madrid like status ensured we never sold players I yearn back to the days when we didn't have a player anyone would have wanted to buy.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 6, 2015 11:44:28 GMT 1
So what you are saying is that this pattern of selling our best players will ultimately see us as reigning Premier league and European champions? Almost certainly! Im saying its the best strategy we have and its working. It has to do because unless the people of the area suddenly start getting behind its club in greater numbers, its also the only strategy we have available to us. Not quite is it? Depends where you take your risk or Dean draws the line. So by Christmas we are top of the league and everyone suddenly realises Lolley is charging us in to the Premiership. He should be playing for Barcelona and they crack in with an £18mm bid - keep or sell?
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 6, 2015 11:51:51 GMT 1
Almost certainly! Im saying its the best strategy we have and its working. It has to do because unless the people of the area suddenly start getting behind its club in greater numbers, its also the only strategy we have available to us. Not quite is it? Depends where you take your risk or Dean draws the line. So by Christmas we are top of the league and everyone suddenly realises Lolley is charging us in to the Premiership. He should be playing for Barcelona and they crack in with an £18mm bid - keep or sell? sell sell sell!!!!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 12:08:34 GMT 1
Almost certainly! Im saying its the best strategy we have and its working. It has to do because unless the people of the area suddenly start getting behind its club in greater numbers, its also the only strategy we have available to us. Not quite is it? Depends where you take your risk or Dean draws the line. So by Christmas we are top of the league and everyone suddenly realises Lolley is charging us in to the Premiership. He should be playing for Barcelona and they crack in with an £18mm bid - keep or sell? Thats not a strategy available to us. Thats just a really unlikely scenario you've invented.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 6, 2015 12:38:35 GMT 1
make do and mend it is then...will take something special from the commercial department or a very brave approach to the games from the manager to sell that to the undecided or the no shows..
Codys comments about 'starting his career now with Wolves' and 'pushing himself to get to the top level from now' were a bit of an eye opener..
Is Dean happy to invest 30 odd million and another 4/5 a season to be a staging post for as little time as possible for players?
His business head might take it but as a lifelong fan it might be quite tough to take..?
yes we have always sold our better players and yes usually sooner than most would have liked but we really must have at least one season and soon where we can put a bit of meat on the bones of our dream to get into the top area of the league and at least flirt with promotion/play offs?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 12:45:50 GMT 1
Doesn't us moving up the league table and having a better team overall sell it to the undecided or no shows?
Maybe not but its baffling it if doesn't!
" I was going to get a season card at town but theyve sold Conor Coady!! I mean CONOR COADY!!!. I don't care if they've moved up the league a bit and are doing better than they have for donkeys years- they've sold CONOR COADY, so they can forget it as far as Im concerned!!"
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 6, 2015 13:26:14 GMT 1
you forget that they are not diehards..they dont part with their cash for football as easily as we do... we have a habit now of going quite a few games in a season producing nothing by way of attractive or effective football..
they see 2 million for cody and the free transfer in of whitehead in a very different way to how footballspeak would explain it...
the business of the club is to produce the product on the pitch on saturday and tuesday.. business wise cody out is good, product wise Whitehead in isnt seen as an attractive move..
there is no argument, season on season we are losing support and income and its down to the club to either do something positive by way of product or effectiveness of that product or to start cutting their cloth accordingly.. Town have opted for the latter, im not arguing either way, its not my millions being used but im not asking the undecided to come and watch quite a lot of what we had to put up with last season..In good conscience i couldnt lie to em...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:28:56 GMT 1
Coady will be a top flight player come the start of the 16/17 season, Wether with Wolves or A N other.
I would have told him " going nowhere lad, Not for another 12 months " But sadly telling players what to do is a thing of the past for 99 per cent of clubs in this day and age.
I will stick my neck out and say Coady will end up as a Liverpool player in the future, Probably via Wolves and Southampton.
It would be nice to have at least one season where we are able to build on what we have rather than starting again, But hey ho.
I cant really defend Town when floaters say " just sold a future captain, No ambition ", Other than to say we had no choice due to player power.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:35:26 GMT 1
On the flip side to my negativity of selling Coady,, Hoyles Town have upheld their reputation of taking promising young players, Giving them a platform and not standing in their way when something better comes along.
The only problem I have with that though is when we are selling to divisional rivals, After all the hard work put in to getting out of the third tier we are only one lucky season from top flight football and all the millions it brings, Sadly though we have far more chance of having a poor season and finding ourselves back at the likes of Boundary park rather than Villa or St James.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 6, 2015 13:38:59 GMT 1
On the flip side to my negativity of selling Coady,, Hoyles Town have upheld their reputation of taking promising young players, Giving them a platform and not standing in their way when something better comes along. The only problem I have with that though is when we are selling to divisional rivals, After all the hard work put in to getting out of the third tier we are only one lucky season from top flight football and all the millions it brings, Sadly though we have far more chance of having a poor season and finding ourselves back at the likes of Boundary park rather than Villa or St James.But our recent history of continual improvement suggests it is clearly not FAR, or even more likely though.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 6, 2015 14:58:33 GMT 1
Not quite is it? Depends where you take your risk or Dean draws the line. So by Christmas we are top of the league and everyone suddenly realises Lolley is charging us in to the Premiership. He should be playing for Barcelona and they crack in with an £18mm bid - keep or sell? Thats not a strategy available to us. Thats just a really unlikely scenario you've invented. Really unlikely? Isn't it self fulfilling? Hopefully the club strategy will get us in contention to get out of this div (upwards). When we are in contention the strategy would say lets flog these players at top dollar and get ourselves out of contention! I'm not arguing against the strategy - just that the club will potentially have to turn over players when we are smack dab favourites to go up! I guess the reality is that the team that earns us promotion to the Premiership will get turned over in the close season any way! Football is not much about building up a decent squad any more that is going to see us to success for several years. Even when it was we buggered it up in pretty quick order in the late 60's early 70's. I'd want to hang on to the next Frank Worthington for 3 years though!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 15:20:43 GMT 1
For one thing I don't see Hoyle selling any key player in the middle of the season. hes a Town fan of long standing dont forget so will remember the Stewart fiasco well. His track record also backs that up. Rhodes and Hunt both had big bids in january and both wanted to go and both were made to see out the season.
Different kettle of fish if a big bid comes in during the summer ( or at the very start of the season in Rhodes's case ) . If the bid is big enough then of course theyd sell. But we're not alone in that. theres about 5 clubs in the world that that doesn't apply to.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 6, 2015 17:03:18 GMT 1
Nigel took the time to reply to my email on Coadys transfer. Apparently the club has had quite a few.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 17:05:24 GMT 1
Nigel took the time to reply to my email on Coadys transfer. Apparently the club has had quite a few. what,the clubs had a quite a few emails from you?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 6, 2015 17:06:43 GMT 1
Nigel took the time to reply to my email on Coadys transfer. Apparently the club has had quite a few. what,the clubs had a quite a few emails from you? Wayne behave, No from many supporters other than me over the sale. Ggrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 17:07:20 GMT 1
what,the clubs had a quite a few emails from you? Wayne behave, No from many supporters other than me over the sale. Ggrrrrrrrrrrr what did Nigel say then?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 6, 2015 17:15:31 GMT 1
My sympathy for Clibbens is growing by the day not only does he seem to be the one to blame for everything bad at Town (with DH being behind evrything that is good). He has to deal with emails from fans crying over excellent transfer business for the club. He didn't come out with the famous 'judge us at the end of the season' like Ian Ayre came out with after the Stewart transfer, yes Ian, Marcus Stewart was promoted and we missed the playoffs
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jul 6, 2015 17:40:15 GMT 1
Conor coady had a release clause that was activated.
End of. Nothing club could do about it.
We move on and identify another starlet from lower leagues or released by premier league.
It's a strategy that's starting to work well for us
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Post by rocky on Jul 6, 2015 17:42:14 GMT 1
Coady will be a top flight player come the start of the 16/17 season, Wether with Wolves or A N other. I would have told him " going nowhere lad, Not for another 12 months " But sadly telling players what to do is a thing of the past for 99 per cent of clubs in this day and age. I will stick my neck out and say Coady will end up as a Liverpool player in the future, Probably via Wolves and Southampton. It would be nice to have at least one season where we are able to build on what we have rather than starting again, But hey ho. I cant really defend Town when floaters say " just sold a future captain, No ambition ", Other than to say we had no choice due to player power. It's simple mate - just tell em they've no fucking idea what they're talking about.
If that doesn't work, tell them to actually read / listen to the what the club repeatedly say, instead of trotting out meaningless clichés.
Lastly, tell them if they actually went to games instead of looking for silly excuses, the club would be able to do exactly what they want - spend more money.
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Post by rantinray on Jul 6, 2015 20:25:47 GMT 1
The constant buying and selling players is demoralising for the team and the fans. Complete nonsense. Selling players to better clubs tells players if they do well with us a move to a bigger club if possible. Selling players keeps fans talking and guessing. Also keeps money flowing. How is either of those demoralizing. Love transfer time - makes preseason so interesting. Noticed you only selected part of my thread. Well thats about par for the course.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 20:29:21 GMT 1
He probably didn't have time to pick out every rubbish point you made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 20:44:31 GMT 1
Here we go again. A repeat of last season. Obviously Jimmy didn't have the time or inclination to pick every part of this nonsense apart. Neither do I, but I'll take the first couple of sentences - maybe someone else could take a couple of others, sort of a team effort. That would be where we sold our best player replaced him with Butterfield (in my opinion at a very similar level to Clayton) and Coady (not as good, but yet we got about £500k extra for him) and improved - I'd be happy with that again.
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Post by rantinray on Jul 7, 2015 12:58:06 GMT 1
Here we go again. A repeat of last season. Obviously Jimmy didn't have the time or inclination to pick every part of this nonsense apart. Neither do I, but I'll take the first couple of sentences - maybe someone else could take a couple of others, sort of a team effort. That would be where we sold our best player replaced him with Butterfield (in my opinion at a very similar level to Clayton) and Coady (not as good, but yet we got about £500k extra for him) and improved - I'd be happy with that again. We just wait and see how the season pans out.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jul 8, 2015 14:43:26 GMT 1
Wolves fans loving him already, got an assist so far in their game and playing well by the sounds of it
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 8, 2015 15:01:47 GMT 1
He's gone, fuck him!
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 8, 2015 15:19:06 GMT 1
Almost certainly! Im saying its the best strategy we have and its working. It has to do because unless the people of the area suddenly start getting behind its club in greater numbers, its also the only strategy we have available to us. Not quite is it? Depends where you take your risk or Dean draws the line. So by Christmas we are top of the league and everyone suddenly realises Lolley is charging us in to the Premiership. He should be playing for Barcelona and they crack in with an £18mm bid - keep or sell? Sell, with a loan back clause.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 8, 2015 18:54:49 GMT 1
Hopefully you'll be able to keep us all updated as to his progress, oh and don't forget updates in the new season. There's nothing worse than not knowing what one of our ex-players has been up to pre season!!
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Post by wtd on Jul 8, 2015 18:54:55 GMT 1
Wolves fans loving him already, got an assist so far in their game and playing well by the sounds of it 'We we we we we... us us us'. Forgotten him already!
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