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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 15:55:08 GMT 1
Not if you've got 150million. even at 4% that's 6 million a year. Not with today's low interest rates, which currently mean you are looking money in comparison with inflation; in Europe you have pay banks to keep your money, i.e. you pay the interest to the bank! I very much doubt Dean uses bank accounts as a method of investment!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 16:35:13 GMT 1
No matter how much money Dean Hoyle has it is up to him how he invests it and how he spends it. No one else's business and the jealousy of his wealth is pathetic. Not like he was born into wealth like the Royal family, he built a successful business by working hard and then sold it. Congratulations, I hope I am that successful one day, and if I am I won't be throwing 40 million quid down the drain.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 30, 2015 16:37:06 GMT 1
No matter how much money Dean Hoyle has it is up to him how he invests it and how he spends it. No one else's business and the jealousy of his wealth is pathetic. Not like he was born into wealth like the Royal family, he built a successful business by working hard and then sold it. Congratulations, I hope I am that successful one day, and if I am I won't be throwing 40 million quid down the drain. You don't think the Royal Family work hard then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 18:06:56 GMT 1
No matter how much money Dean Hoyle has it is up to him how he invests it and how he spends it. No one else's business and the jealousy of his wealth is pathetic. Not like he was born into wealth like the Royal family, he built a successful business by working hard and then sold it. Congratulations, I hope I am that successful one day, and if I am I won't be throwing 40 million quid down the drain. You don't think the Royal Family work hard then? Some do, but whether they do or not they were still born into wealth versus earning it themselves. Big difference to someone working hard to build a business in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:16:03 GMT 1
Not with today's low interest rates, which currently mean you are looking money in comparison with inflation; in Europe you have pay banks to keep your money, i.e. you pay the interest to the bank! I very much doubt Dean uses bank accounts as a method of investment! No, he might have tried government bonds - Greek maybe? You cannot assume guaranteed income just because a profit is theoretically possible! Too much 'not in the real world' thinking going on in this thread.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 19:22:28 GMT 1
Inflation for hells sake not disrespecting Mr. Hoyle I like the bloke but if you've amassed his wealth your not thinking about inflation and if living costs will outweigh the income your bringing in, and also the bloke won't be getting your bog standard 1% from the banks. He's rich stop worrying about his finances . The money he's playing with is nothing even at this scale when you've got 1 or 2 hundred million to play with . We all spend to our limits in life except those who have amassed silly money, then it becomes very hard to spend to your limits.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 19:27:55 GMT 1
So all I'm concerned about is towns ticket prices not becoming to expensive that I don't attend as much, so the fact Mr. Hoyle as lost so much a year is of very little importance to me, he can afford it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:28:21 GMT 1
Inflation for hells sake not disrespecting Mr. Hoyle I like the bloke but if you've amassed his wealth your not thinking about inflation and if living costs will outweigh the income your bringing in, and also the bloke won't be getting your bog standard 1% from the banks. He's rich stop worrying about his finances . The money he's playing with is nothing even at this scale when you've got 1 or 2 hundred million to play with . We all spend to our limits in life except those who have amassed silly money, then it becomes very hard to spend to your limits. You should have had a discussion with Viv Nicholson before she died a pauper.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 19:30:46 GMT 1
Some woman that won the pools compared to Mr. Hoyle great comparison
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:31:43 GMT 1
So all I'm concerned about is towns ticket prices not becoming to expensive that I don't attend as much, so the fact Mr. Hoyle as lost so much a year is of very little importance to me, he can afford it. You sir, are an idiot. These ticketing charges are helping town keep the ticket costs down. They disisentivive costly processes to accentuate the FREE options.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 19:40:22 GMT 1
People like you sit behind a computer calling people idiots, brilliant real tough guy. I like many on here are not pleased about ticket prices rising, booking fees ,extra pay on the day charges . People try to justify this by saying Mr. Hoyle is losing money, so I say he choose this route he can afford it I cannot so I will attend less. You don't like this tough. I wouldn't call you names because I don't know you. Oh sod it your an idiot. Lol comes over pathetic doesn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:49:25 GMT 1
People like you sit behind a computer calling people idiots, brilliant real tough guy. I like many on here are not pleased about ticket prices rising, booking fees ,extra pay on the day charges . People try to justify this by saying Mr. Hoyle is losing money, so I say he choose this route he can afford it I cannot so I will attend less. You don't like this tough. I wouldn't call you names because I don't know you. Oh sod it your an idiot. Lol comes over pathetic doesn't it. Try thinking about what prompted me to become exasperated. I will happily be called an idiot when it is justified, which of course has occurred before & probably will again.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 19:55:34 GMT 1
As you gain a little more life experience boy you may learn to think before acting idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:41:15 GMT 1
I recall when I came across the first idiot I judged to have the displeasure of experiencing as if it was yesterday, I was FOUR at the time & he had the same name as me (both forename & surname). Now my view is no different, but life's experiences has taught me to 'man up' and express my opinion, over 60 years of life that is. So where does that leave your assumptions?
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 20:53:13 GMT 1
Just an ironic post, to get a reaction which is all I wanted to amuse myself . Lol didn't realise I didn't need to bother until your last reply.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:01:28 GMT 1
As with when I was 4, my assessment has proven to be a good one.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 30, 2015 21:02:39 GMT 1
Mine too.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Aug 1, 2015 22:07:00 GMT 1
So all I'm concerned about is towns ticket prices not becoming to expensive that I don't attend as much, so the fact Mr. Hoyle as lost so much a year is of very little importance to me, he can afford it. You sir, are an idiot. These ticketing charges are helping town keep the ticket costs down. They disisentivive costly processes to accentuate the FREE options. The free option is me going down to the ticket office and paying cash but it's not really a free option because I have to make a special trip at a time of day that isn't necessarily convenient for me ie during my working day. Obviously the ticket office doesn't stay open late, like Tesco's and Sainsbury's, so it's either one of the online options that incurs a charge, time off during the day to drive down to get a ticket or paying a £3 surcharge on the day of the game. There isn't a free option at all. Also for people who sometimes won't know until the day of the game whether they can go or not the £3 surcharge is a disincentive to actually attend the game. So in reality all Town are doing with these stupid fees is putting people off and, like a certain Chairman we once had, I know a lot of people who have found better things to do on a Saturday afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 23:34:31 GMT 1
A contrived scenario; if I go in my lunch time or any other time that I am not near the ground it will cost me about £15 to buy tickets in person. Why would I choose to be so stupid when, like anybody else that goes to home games, there is FREE option! Or I might choose to pay a couple of pounds to have them posted to me if I miss a home game, saved £13 spent £2 - and not contrived to suit a false argument.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Aug 2, 2015 1:29:35 GMT 1
A contrived scenario; if I go in my lunch time or any other time that I am not near the ground it will cost me about £15 to buy tickets in person. Why would I choose to be so stupid when, like anybody else that goes to home games, there is FREE option! Or I might choose to pay a couple of pounds to have them posted to me if I miss a home game, saved £13 spent £2 - and not contrived to suit a false argument. What the fuck is contrived about it? There's been many a time when I've ended up working Saturdays so I haven't bought a ticket for a game just in case I couldn't go. So now people get shafted all ends up: 1) If they buy a ticket and can't go they don't get a refund & 2) If they wait till the day of the game they get stung with a £3 surcharge for not buying a ticket in advance. Your problem, pal, is that you have got your tongue too firmly wedged up the arses of the money grabbing suits running this club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 2:39:23 GMT 1
A contrived scenario; if I go in my lunch time or any other time that I am not near the ground it will cost me about £15 to buy tickets in person. Why would I choose to be so stupid when, like anybody else that goes to home games, there is FREE option! Or I might choose to pay a couple of pounds to have them posted to me if I miss a home game, saved £13 spent £2 - and not contrived to suit a false argument. What the fuck is contrived about it? There's been many a time when I've ended up working Saturdays so I haven't bought a ticket for a game just in case I couldn't go. So now people get shafted all ends up: 1) If they buy a ticket and can't go they don't get a refund & 2) If they wait till the day of the game they get stung with a £3 surcharge for not buying a ticket in advance. Your problem, pal, is that you have got your tongue too firmly wedged up the arses of the money grabbing suits running this club. Amazingly unconvincing, you're so experienced at these scenarios that you get stung £3, strange that because it was £1.75 when I ordered last week for Hull ticket. But then you did have to digress from the point of the thread to make an irrelevant point about walk up ticket prices, which are obviously to help avoid excessive queuing on match day. Do you object to every business that prices to influence efficiency or is it just with Town?
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Post by Polish Hippy on Aug 2, 2015 2:47:55 GMT 1
It is not pricing for efficiency, it is pricing to rip people off.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 2, 2015 9:17:52 GMT 1
Clibbens manages, not for the first time, to make it sound like he finds it a real ball-ache to to have to deal with the supporters.
It's obviously a huge inconvenience to have to sell us tickets. Don't know what gives you that impression. Think he sets at the reasons for the charge pretty well, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. He may as well have written a poem, people's minds were made-up. Same as you though, I still don't agree with it, but more from the basis of judging your audience.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 2, 2015 9:26:55 GMT 1
From a quick glance at them and the summaries, it's now pretty apparent we're in a sort of catch 22 situation. Our revenue from tickets is reducing year-on-year – less home fans turning up, which you could partly attribute to us lagging around the bottom for 3 consecutive seasons and which if judging by pre season so far doesn't look to be changing for the upcoming year either. A lot of fans of the opinion that the glaring need for improvement in defence is again going unremedied. But there is less non-shareholder cash available to remedy the defence, which will mean that people will be fed up again, and more people will drop off, which will mean another decrease in non-shareholder cash, and to me it just seems like it's going to keep spiralling. It's all well and good Captainslapper et al saying to the more realistic/pessimistic that we don't know how good we've got it and we should be thankful for how it is currently, but that doesn't really translate to how it works in the world of football. It would be great if it did, but fans aren't like that, so to hope for anything else is (imo) slightly naive and wishful. Look at Sunderland, West Brom, Villa, Man City(!) etc etc. Most of there grounds will be sold out first game of the season, and come any scent of success or progress on the field (relative to the individual club) the stands will stay full. If not, and the team struggle that season, even if not going down – the stands empty and the grounds look shocking on TV come the 2nd half of the season. Villa can go from a packed fortress to an empty morgue. Regardless of the league, if your team languishes the fair weatherers disappear. The difference with those clubs and ours is that the messaging from our club is that this continuous languishing and not really doing anything but surviving is progress, and the targets set are being met. Well if we're made to believe it's progress on the field, it certainly doesn't constitute progress on the books, cos they're only going the other way... I think the tone of voice needs to change from the club, we need to set the bar higher on the football side with what is said, and expected (at least in August). If we reach mid table and sneak into top half in the early half of the year, don't be coming out with this one game at a time, we still know it's a tough league, things might change shite. We've seen clearly in the last few years where we've reached a point and everyone at the club has portrayed a 'job-done/targets met' attitude from top to bottom, and we've seen the result of what happens when that's the thought process. The business and football sides of the club need a stronger line drawn between them, I always get the feeling with us in the Championship that the mindset is that whatever is happening, we are only ever achieving all we can. The results and discussions are always based relative to our budget. I've seen us dick some of the big spenders. We've got ex PL players joining us and meeting new up and coming youngsters, meeting proven and exciting Championship players. Why should that infusion result in another plateau? All of our player sales under DH have gone to clubs who have only ever finished higher than us (I think) – so we know there's potential there – let's have them achieving and finishing higher with us first. Budget is only one part of the jigsaw, if you disagree give Wigan or Fulham (or countless others) a ring. A part of it can come from the noises, motivation and ambition set by the club, and I really feel we've lost the ambition from the football side of things. Where we are is ok, because we have x budget and Dean is losing x a year. Mediocrity will breed mediocrity, and apathy and rot will set it (as it has clearly started to do so judging by the attendances). I think the communication from the club regarding sensitive issues (this thread for example) plays too heavy on our altruism and acknowledging what Dean has done for us. The bottom line is does the extra money we are going to contribute represent any tangible increase in value of utility on the pitch this coming year? Let me check....CP quote 'We'll look to [meh]kick on[/meh] [zzz]hold our own[/zzz]. We get progress shoved down our throats each year, but actually as an individual club we've won less games each year we've been up, and if that progress continues this year we could be back where we started again. Let's redefine progress, let's give the players a reason to kick on and a target to meet. Let's stop setting x as our target because y is the budget, because if I was a player for Town I'd translate that as 'they don't think I'm as good as the other players in the division, they expect less of me than them'. If we're neither there (going anywhere upwards) and definitely not there with however many games to go next season, why not try and encourage the gaffer to put some of the academy lads whose names pop up on here in the team. It might seem like meddling but it would give the fans and the board financing the academy a bit of an update and an informed decision on future direction and expectation. Perhaps the margins have been too tight that the manager is scared to take the risk of playing young ones in case it goes tits up and reflects badly on him. Maybe that bit of risk could be subsidied as assurance from the board regarding the results. In 06/07, Davy's last full year of ownership, our headline turnover versus total football expenditure was +£1.62m, averaging 10.5k home fans (looking at the league that year I'd be surprised if more than 3 clubs brought a 1000 or more). In 12/13, our headline turnover versus total football expenditure was over -£2m. I wonder if we'll average 10.5k home fans this year, will all the progress made. We know the budgets, we know we have to sell to balance, we know Dean has done so much for us, but we know that we could also have smaller crowds this year than under Davy. Another year of doing what we've been doing and calling it progress will not reverse that. Let's expect more from a footballing side. Positivity breeds positivity. Positivity does breed positivity; it is a shame you did not also put an onus on some fans to bring themselves to a positive outlook for the beginning of a season. Negativity breeds negativity with a hell of lot more veracity and a lot of town fans seam to revel in that experience. Sad but true. Big style- it's also become a bit of a badge of honour not going. It's people's prerogative, but there are many sheep out there, whilst the negativity at games (middle aged blokes ranting like a child) drove my 10 year old nephew away. He wasn't overly concerned about the quality of our defence
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 2, 2015 10:50:49 GMT 1
You sir, are an idiot. These ticketing charges are helping town keep the ticket costs down. They disisentivive costly processes to accentuate the FREE options. The free option is me going down to the ticket office and paying cash but it's not really a free option because I have to make a special trip at a time of day that isn't necessarily convenient for me ie during my working day. Obviously the ticket office doesn't stay open late, like Tesco's and Sainsbury's, so it's either one of the online options that incurs a charge, time off during the day to drive down to get a ticket or paying a £3 surcharge on the day of the game. There isn't a free option at all. Also for people who sometimes won't know until the day of the game whether they can go or not the £3 surcharge is a disincentive to actually attend the game. So in reality all Town are doing with these stupid fees is putting people off and, like a certain Chairman we once had, I know a lot of people who have found better things to do on a Saturday afternoon. Well, if you have better things to do, what you waffling on about then. Go and do them instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:39:11 GMT 1
It is not pricing for efficiency, it is pricing to rip people off. Thanks for clarifying your blinkered obsession.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 2, 2015 13:36:11 GMT 1
A contrived scenario; if I go in my lunch time or any other time that I am not near the ground it will cost me about £15 to buy tickets in person. Why would I choose to be so stupid when, like anybody else that goes to home games, there is FREE option! Or I might choose to pay a couple of pounds to have them posted to me if I miss a home game, saved £13 spent £2 - and not contrived to suit a false argument. What the fuck is contrived about it? There's been many a time when I've ended up working Saturdays so I haven't bought a ticket for a game just in case I couldn't go. So now people get shafted all ends up: 1) If they buy a ticket and can't go they don't get a refund & 2) If they wait till the day of the game they get stung with a £3 surcharge for not buying a ticket in advance. Your problem, pal, is that you have got your tongue too firmly wedged up the arses of the money grabbing suits running this club.So the guy that has pumped in over £40m of his money into our vacuum of a club is a money grabbing suit..... go give your head a shake!
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Post by sheesh on Aug 2, 2015 17:13:49 GMT 1
So, just pretend it's a delivery charge and it's ok then? Even though they always have charged for delivery anyway. TRUTH | INTEGRITY | PRETEND IT'S JUST FOR THE POSTAGE And, just to repeat the question; at what point are Ticketmaster involved in the transaction over the phone sale as opposed to collection from the ticket office? Maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explanation but yours, IMO, isn't it. You need put all my points together to understand my explanation, not just a late addition having made on online purchase. I really think you are all twisting your knickers over a relatively modest charge that barely covers costs, commercial costs that are not being understood, i.e. 5 mill loss (consider 50 matches per year, 5,000 tickets £1.50 each administration & post = £375,000; only 7.5% of the 5 million loss). When my bank account goes overdrawn by 1p the bank charges me £20 for a letter generated by a computer that is enveloped by machine and the only human involved is the postman. Then take them to the banking ombudsman. They aren't allowed to do this anymore as it is not a fair relation of their costs. Moat banks stopped doing this about 10 years ago after a court case. If you have a lot of these charge you can probably claim back fees
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 17:50:47 GMT 1
I am not sure that applies to business accounts, but anyway, avoidable by not going overdrawn.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 2, 2015 19:34:19 GMT 1
What the fuck is contrived about it? There's been many a time when I've ended up working Saturdays so I haven't bought a ticket for a game just in case I couldn't go. So now people get shafted all ends up: 1) If they buy a ticket and can't go they don't get a refund & 2) If they wait till the day of the game they get stung with a £3 surcharge for not buying a ticket in advance. Your problem, pal, is that you have got your tongue too firmly wedged up the arses of the money grabbing suits running this club. Amazingly unconvincing, you're so experienced at these scenarios that you get stung £3, strange that because it was £1.75 when I ordered last week for Hull ticket. But then you did have to digress from the point of the thread to make an irrelevant point about walk up ticket prices, which are obviously to help avoid excessive queuing on match day. Do you object to every business that prices to influence efficiency or is it just with Town? Heaven forbid that football fans should have to queue to get in. Lets solve the alleged queuing problem by making them pay another three quid just for the privilege.
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