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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 2, 2015 19:35:58 GMT 1
Why the hell cant we just load tickets to pass book on your smart phone. Like you can with airline tickets. Saves the need for posting anything.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 2, 2015 20:00:17 GMT 1
Why the hell cant we just load tickets to pass book on your smart phone. Like you can with airline tickets. Saves the need for posting anything. Exactly I am using my smartphone for entrance to a Baseball game tomorrow. 1 person mans four 'turnstiles' - there's a money saving for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 0:26:11 GMT 1
Why the hell cant we just load tickets to pass book on your smart phone. Like you can with airline tickets. Saves the need for posting anything. It's a good idea. A lot of sports and concert events do that overs here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 1:29:07 GMT 1
Why the hell cant we just load tickets to pass book on your smart phone. Like you can with airline tickets. Saves the need for posting anything. It's a good idea. A lot of sports and concert events do that overs here. In due course maybe, but it's not long ago Town invested in new cards & ticket system and it takes time for such capital investments to be paid off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 8:21:58 GMT 1
It's a good idea. A lot of sports and concert events do that overs here. In due course maybe, but it's not long ago Town invested in new cards & ticket system and it takes time for such capital investments to be paid off. Plus there are the complexities that this is a shared facility operated by a third party.
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Post by holmfirth on Aug 3, 2015 8:38:00 GMT 1
But it works now! I have, on 5 or 6 occasions had my blackberry or iPhone scanned at a town turnstile for admission into a town game. Just get the print at home pdf and fill the screen with the barcode...
When town implemented the scanning technology they didn't link it to auto opening of turnstiles... Ie you still need a person to let you in and in our instance hold the scanner!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:10:25 GMT 1
But it works now! I have, on 5 or 6 occasions had my blackberry or iPhone scanned at a town turnstile for admission into a town game. Just get the print at home pdf and fill the screen with the barcode... When town implemented the scanning technology they didn't link it to auto opening of turnstiles... Ie you still need a person to let you in and in our instance hold the scanner! So that is another FREE option Town have introduced. Perhaps it is for a good reason that they chose to continue to employ people? It would require a system across all league teams for that to work for away tickets and my smart phone will not fit in some card readers at away games, hence fees become appropriate.
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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 3, 2015 16:15:18 GMT 1
Why the hell cant we just load tickets to pass book on your smart phone. Like you can with airline tickets. Saves the need for posting anything. Exactly I am using my smartphone for entrance to a Baseball game tomorrow. 1 person mans four 'turnstiles' - there's a money saving for you. I used it o get into Dodgers last August. Saves a load of Messing about
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 3, 2015 18:26:09 GMT 1
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Post by deepc on Aug 3, 2015 20:51:29 GMT 1
There was a time when I did not think about the cost.
Just, could I fit the game in around work, and if my regular companions could make the trip.
Things have certainly changed for me.
I have my limit of £ 30 - with one exception - The trip to Elland Rd.
And that really grates - especially given our performances on the last two visits.
In the past I have gone to most of the Saturday games and the midweek ones within a couple of hours travelling.
I will just attend fewer games this time which is sad because once you start missing games the habit will be broken and it will be the start of a slippery slope.
But if we start playing attractive, winning football then ignore all the above and let me be queuing with all the other mugs for the overpriced tickets plus booking fees ( that, according to some on here,are there for my benefit even though I have not been charged them for the last 50 years).
Funny old game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 21:12:53 GMT 1
There was a time when I did not think about the cost. Just, could I fit the game in around work, and if my regular companions could make the trip. Things have certainly changed for me. I have my limit of £ 30 - with one exception - The trip to Elland Rd. And that really grates - especially given our performances on the last two visits. In the past I have gone to most of the Saturday games and the midweek ones within a couple of hours travelling. I will just attend fewer games this time which is sad because once you start missing games the habit will be broken and it will be the start of a slippery slope. But if we start playing attractive, winning football then ignore all the above and let me be queuing with all the other mugs for the overpriced tickets plus booking fees ( that, according to some on here,are there for my benefit even though I have not been charged them for the last 50 years). Funny old game I dont think anyone has tried to suggest a booking fee was for your benefit. However it is to help cover the costs the club incur for handling ticket sales. They could scrap the fees but they would just add it to the ticket price so everyone was paying regardless of how they bought their ticket. It makes no difference to me as I live 4000 miles away and probably will not get to a game this season, however it has pissed off so many people maybe they will scrap them next year and just put all tickets up a quid.
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:16:32 GMT 1
It is fairly common knowledge thanks, but I asked how – as in how are we still losing the same amount on average? Anyone know the accounts more in depth than the general categories the club posts the numbers under?
Surely we are well in the + on net spending regarding transfers since we came up?I just downloaded the accounts from Companies House. I know you're perfectly capable of reading them yourself, but I always think the most interesting thing is that over the last three years (so not including Clayton, Norwood or Coady) we've made over £10m net on player transfers and still managed to lose over £15m. Highlights just how clueless poster like Terrierpark are with their rants. You and I or other fans have no say on what we pay in wages or what we spend on transfer fees. Its not our fault DH must be comfortable with the level of his money he is spending the problem is the product is not good enough to earn higher demand. Just what would attendances have to be so that DH wasn't spending his own money and then transfer fees received from sales could actually be spent on the team and not the odd old pro who roles up for a trial eh?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 21:18:33 GMT 1
I used to like Sid James
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:20:44 GMT 1
I know you're perfectly capable of reading them yourself, but I always think the most interesting thing is that over the last three years (so not including Clayton, Norwood or Coady) we've made over £10m net on player transfers and still managed to lose over £15m. Highlights just how clueless poster like Terrierpark are with their rants. From a quick glance at them and the summaries, it's now pretty apparent we're in a sort of catch 22 situation. Our revenue from tickets is reducing year-on-year – less home fans turning up, which you could partly attribute to us lagging around the bottom for 3 consecutive seasons and which if judging by pre season so far doesn't look to be changing for the upcoming year either. A lot of fans of the opinion that the glaring need for improvement in defence is again going unremedied. But there is less non-shareholder cash available to remedy the defence, which will mean that people will be fed up again, and more people will drop off, which will mean another decrease in non-shareholder cash, and to me it just seems like it's going to keep spiralling. It's all well and good Captainslapper et al saying to the more realistic/pessimistic that we don't know how good we've got it and we should be thankful for how it is currently, but that doesn't really translate to how it works in the world of football. It would be great if it did, but fans aren't like that, so to hope for anything else is (imo) slightly naive and wishful. Look at Sunderland, West Brom, Villa, Man City(!) etc etc. Most of there grounds will be sold out first game of the season, and come any scent of success or progress on the field (relative to the individual club) the stands will stay full. If not, and the team struggle that season, even if not going down – the stands empty and the grounds look shocking on TV come the 2nd half of the season. Villa can go from a packed fortress to an empty morgue. Regardless of the league, if your team languishes the fair weatherers disappear. The difference with those clubs and ours is that the messaging from our club is that this continuous languishing and not really doing anything but surviving is progress, and the targets set are being met. Well if we're made to believe it's progress on the field, it certainly doesn't constitute progress on the books, cos they're only going the other way... I think the tone of voice needs to change from the club, we need to set the bar higher on the football side with what is said, and expected (at least in August). If we reach mid table and sneak into top half in the early half of the year, don't be coming out with this one game at a time, we still know it's a tough league, things might change shite. We've seen clearly in the last few years where we've reached a point and everyone at the club has portrayed a 'job-done/targets met' attitude from top to bottom, and we've seen the result of what happens when that's the thought process. The business and football sides of the club need a stronger line drawn between them, I always get the feeling with us in the Championship that the mindset is that whatever is happening, we are only ever achieving all we can. The results and discussions are always based relative to our budget. I've seen us dick some of the big spenders. We've got ex PL players joining us and meeting new up and coming youngsters, meeting proven and exciting Championship players. Why should that infusion result in another plateau? All of our player sales under DH have gone to clubs who have only ever finished higher than us (I think) – so we know there's potential there – let's have them achieving and finishing higher with us first. Budget is only one part of the jigsaw, if you disagree give Wigan or Fulham (or countless others) a ring. A part of it can come from the noises, motivation and ambition set by the club, and I really feel we've lost the ambition from the football side of things. Where we are is ok, because we have x budget and Dean is losing x a year. Mediocrity will breed mediocrity, and apathy and rot will set it (as it has clearly started to do so judging by the attendances). I think the communication from the club regarding sensitive issues (this thread for example) plays too heavy on our altruism and acknowledging what Dean has done for us. The bottom line is does the extra money we are going to contribute represent any tangible increase in value of utility on the pitch this coming year? Let me check....CP quote 'We'll look to [meh]kick on[/meh] [zzz]hold our own[/zzz]. We get progress shoved down our throats each year, but actually as an individual club we've won less games each year we've been up, and if that progress continues this year we could be back where we started again. Let's redefine progress, let's give the players a reason to kick on and a target to meet. Let's stop setting x as our target because y is the budget, because if I was a player for Town I'd translate that as 'they don't think I'm as good as the other players in the division, they expect less of me than them'. If we're neither there (going anywhere upwards) and definitely not there with however many games to go next season, why not try and encourage the gaffer to put some of the academy lads whose names pop up on here in the team. It might seem like meddling but it would give the fans and the board financing the academy a bit of an update and an informed decision on future direction and expectation. Perhaps the margins have been too tight that the manager is scared to take the risk of playing young ones in case it goes tits up and reflects badly on him. Maybe that bit of risk could be subsidied as assurance from the board regarding the results. In 06/07, Davy's last full year of ownership, our headline turnover versus total football expenditure was +£1.62m, averaging 10.5k home fans (looking at the league that year I'd be surprised if more than 3 clubs brought a 1000 or more). In 12/13, our headline turnover versus total football expenditure was over -£2m. I wonder if we'll average 10.5k home fans this year, will all the progress made. We know the budgets, we know we have to sell to balance, we know Dean has done so much for us, but we know that we could also have smaller crowds this year than under Davy. Another year of doing what we've been doing and calling it progress will not reverse that. Let's expect more from a footballing side. Positivity breeds positivity. Top post
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:21:52 GMT 1
so did I chips that's why I picked him!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 21:23:24 GMT 1
so did I chips that's why I picked him! He must be turning in his grave
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 21:23:19 GMT 1
They can't just put up ticket prices and be fair because the main problem is with away tickets. Town cannot determine away prices and 5% is not enough to cover costs for services to suit everyone, is it has to be ticketing fees that are the solution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 21:32:25 GMT 1
I know you're perfectly capable of reading them yourself, but I always think the most interesting thing is that over the last three years (so not including Clayton, Norwood or Coady) we've made over £10m net on player transfers and still managed to lose over £15m. Highlights just how clueless poster like Terrierpark are with their rants. You and I or other fans have no say on what we pay in wages or what we spend on transfer fees. Its not our fault DH must be comfortable with the level of his money he is spending the problem is the product is not good enough to earn higher demand. Just what would attendances have to be so that DH wasn't spending his own money and then transfer fees received from sales could actually be spent on the team and not the odd old pro who roles up for a trial eh? To cover the 5million loss at an average ticket price of £20 we would need an extra 11,000 to attend home games, i.e. fill the stadium every match!
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:38:57 GMT 1
Ok Chips you win I am just a miserable moaning old git whose opinions and thoughts are way off the mark. In fact I only come on here to seek a reaction from the deluded sorry there I go again I just cant help myself. Despite all my extensive years watching Town I cant tell a good player from a bad one, cant see whats needed on the field or understand what the manager is trying to do, in fact I cant even tell a poor mediocre season from a successful one. I have no appreciation of the dire financial situation we are in , there was me hoping that funds would be invested in the area of the team that needed strengthening the most after a £2m windfall. Whats that we have ?...the Barnsley chap its all we could afford you know ...yeah right.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 21:43:14 GMT 1
Ok Chips you win I am just a miserable moaning old git whose opinions and thoughts are way off the mark. In fact I only come on here to seek a reaction from the deluded sorry there I go again I just cant help myself. Despite all my extensive years watching Town I cant tell a good player from a bad one, cant see whats needed on the field or understand what the manager is trying to do, in fact I cant even tell a poor mediocre season from a successful one. I have no appreciation of the dire financial situation we are in , there was me hoping that funds would be invested in the area of the team that needed strengthening the most after a £2m windfall. Whats that we have ?...the Barnsley chap its all we could afford you know ...yeah right. You're hilarious .. Are you aware of the concept of "paying people wages"? "Windfall" ? You seriously are on a different planet
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:46:08 GMT 1
You and I or other fans have no say on what we pay in wages or what we spend on transfer fees. Its not our fault DH must be comfortable with the level of his money he is spending the problem is the product is not good enough to earn higher demand. Just what would attendances have to be so that DH wasn't spending his own money and then transfer fees received from sales could actually be spent on the team and not the odd old pro who roles up for a trial eh? To cover the 5million loss at an average ticket price of £20 we would need an extra 11,000 to attend home games, i.e. fill the stadium every match! What is the current average ticket price? But given your argument and the fact that we are trying to become self sufficient just how is Deano going to achieve another 11,00 fans eh? We will never be self sufficient without the success that brings the fans. success HAS TO BE MORE THAN FINISHING 1 PLACE HIGHER its about flirting with the playoffs looking like a contender. Money has ruined the game thee is no doubt about it, but our current policy of selling every decent player is no different what so ever to all the years of watching Town in the lower divisions, with the exception of Warnock third div, Buxton third div and Jacko L2.
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:47:16 GMT 1
Do you have a credit card Chips?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 21:48:53 GMT 1
To cover the 5million loss at an average ticket price of £20 we would need an extra 11,000 to attend home games, i.e. fill the stadium every match! What is the current average ticket price? But given your argument and the fact that we are trying to become self sufficient just how is Deano going to achieve another 11,00 fans eh? We will never be self sufficient without the success that brings the fans. success HAS TO BE MORE THAN FINISHING 1 PLACE HIGHER its about flirting with the playoffs looking like a contender. Money has ruined the game thee is no doubt about it, but our current policy of selling every decent player is no different what so ever to all the years of watching Town in the lower divisions, with the exception of Warnock third div, Buxton third div and Jacko L2. You obviously cant remember Warnock selling marsden and Roberts, and Buxton selling Micky Kennedy and Mally Brown.. Jacko Jon Stead?
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 21:52:03 GMT 1
What is the current average ticket price? But given your argument and the fact that we are trying to become self sufficient just how is Deano going to achieve another 11,00 fans eh? We will never be self sufficient without the success that brings the fans. success HAS TO BE MORE THAN FINISHING 1 PLACE HIGHER its about flirting with the playoffs looking like a contender. Money has ruined the game thee is no doubt about it, but our current policy of selling every decent player is no different what so ever to all the years of watching Town in the lower divisions, with the exception of Warnock third div, Buxton third div and Jacko L2. You obviously cant remember Warnock selling marsden and Roberts, and Buxton selling Micky Kennedy and Mally Brown.. Jacko Jon Stead? I do chips , kennedy was no big loss, jon stead was more than adequately replaced immediately I might add by abbott.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 21:52:59 GMT 1
HA HA "kennedy no big loss" ,,, and you are crying about coady?
Are you for real ?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 3, 2015 21:59:28 GMT 1
It always comes back to the same thing.
Dean Hoyle being asked to spend more of his own money (and rarely politely) and being asked to abandon the plan he has implemented because it isn't quick enough for some while others simply up sticks because they aren't up for the struggle in a hugely lopsided league.
god forbid he looks on here to see a daily trashing of what he is trying to achieve - he must have the patience of a saint.
Eventually, the whiners will get what they want - L1 mid table (at best) oblivion.
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 22:00:01 GMT 1
I am not crying about Coady I am saying that the way the club has addressed the defensive problems signing the Barnsley player ( whatever happened to we don't sign players if they are no better than what we have) ie the CHEAPO option when we have raised 2million just looks poor to me and many others. Of course wages have to be paid we freed a lot up last season didn't we so we could strengthen you all said in the right areas this!
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 22:02:52 GMT 1
It always comes back to the same thing. Dean Hoyle being asked to spend more of his own money (and rarely politely) and being asked to abandon the plan he has implemented because it isn't quick enough for some while others simply up sticks because they aren't up for the struggle in a hugely lopsided league. god forbid he looks on here to see a daily trashing of what he is trying to achieve - he must have the patience of a saint. Eventually, the whiners will get what they want - L1 mid table (at best) oblivion. So how will we become self sufficient under his plan? Please enlighten me do we get another 11k fans or keep selling the players until his subsidy is 0 or what. I don't understand the plan.
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 3, 2015 22:03:39 GMT 1
You never answered my question Chips do you have a credit card?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2015 22:05:32 GMT 1
I am not crying about Coady I am saying that the way the club has addressed the defensive problems signing the Barnsley player ( whatever happened to we don't sign players if they are no better than what we have) ie the CHEAPO option when we have raised 2million just looks poor to me and many others. Of course wages have to be paid we freed a lot up last season didn't we so we could strengthen you all said in the right areas this! Our owner is still losing considerable amounts of money each month. How much do you think he should lose out of his own pocket each week to keep ungrateful twats like you happy? Or are you planning to plough your own millions in to shut up sad happy clappy twats like me?
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