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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 20:20:42 GMT 1
Going to Killie to work with LC.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 8, 2016 20:22:04 GMT 1
What's the fact he's a leeds fan got to do with it? Hes done an alright job at town, might not be the nicest person in world but so what, he 'did a job' so to speak.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 8, 2016 20:36:12 GMT 1
To be fair to Nigel, I just don't think he was suited to the role. He's an accountant who had never been in a public facing role before. Very unusual to step straight from practice (where he wasn't a Partner or even a Director) into CEO. Perhaps at a similar sized business but without the high profile he'd have been fine. He was never even a football fan before he joined Town so to expect him to empathise with the fans, along with being the public face of the Club, was a big ask. Leeds season ticket holder in past if you believe some Are we talking about Clibbens or Floyds..........
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 8, 2016 20:51:34 GMT 1
Leeds season ticket holder in past if you believe some Are we talking about Clibbens or Floyds.......... Fisher was/is a Leeds fan and received semi hero status for very little
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Post by Pressing Appointment on Feb 8, 2016 22:19:47 GMT 1
It will all come out in the wash. To be brutally honest, Clibbens wasn't a football man but steadied the ship. I thought at times he was quite aloof and he didn't help himself with the inelastic statement and general business speak he came out with. Now we move on and see who the "Replacement" will be. Anyone on here applying?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 8, 2016 23:39:13 GMT 1
It will all come out in the wash. To be brutally honest, Clibbens wasn't a football man but steadied the ship. I thought at times he was quite aloof and he didn't help himself with the inelastic statement and general business speak he came out with. Now we move on and see who the "Replacement" will be. Anyone on here applying? Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy)
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Post by ritchie on Feb 8, 2016 23:57:43 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 0:01:52 GMT 1
It will all come out in the wash. To be brutally honest, Clibbens wasn't a football man but steadied the ship. I thought at times he was quite aloof and he didn't help himself with the inelastic statement and general business speak he came out with. Now we move on and see who the "Replacement" will be. Anyone on here applying? Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy) Why not? How hard can it be to hang onto £9,000,000 and make excuses up for not signing anyone who commands a fee for a year or so?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 9, 2016 0:24:43 GMT 1
Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy) Why not? How hard can it be to hang onto £9,000,000 and make excuses up for not signing anyone who commands a fee for a year or so? So a business with cash on hand has to spend it regardless of value and sustainability? You've been told many times that Town's targets in January were not attainable. Spending money for vanity is insane.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 9, 2016 8:07:52 GMT 1
Why not? How hard can it be to hang onto £9,000,000 and make excuses up for not signing anyone who commands a fee for a year or so? So a business with cash on hand has to spend it regardless of value and sustainability? You've been told many times that Town's targets in January were not attainable. Spending money for vanity is insane. I suppose that depends on the model of your business. 9 million in terms of town's model, will cover the club losses for 2 years..... reinvested in "stock" in this case players in a wise way then it could be worth double or triple that in 2 years. Taking transfer fees into account only a net spend of 900k for coady, Butts and smithies realised 9m a 10 fold increase. (2 or 3 fold increase seems realistic now) So ultimately... spending money for vanity is insane, speculate to accumulate isn't. Town have probably missed a trick not spending, but if the targets aren't available... then they have to sit and wait, while the club loses circa 2.25m off the "pot" that it's trying to grow.
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Post by explorer on Feb 9, 2016 9:48:02 GMT 1
Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy) Why not? How hard can it be to hang onto £9,000,000 and make excuses up for not signing anyone who commands a fee for a year or so? Let me know if you apply- I'll send you instructions on how to get to the ground for your interview.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 9, 2016 10:01:40 GMT 1
It will all come out in the wash. To be brutally honest, Clibbens wasn't a football man but steadied the ship. I thought at times he was quite aloof and he didn't help himself with the inelastic statement and general business speak he came out with. Now we move on and see who the "Replacement" will be. Anyone on here applying? Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy) Can you imagine if one of those two chumps took over as chief executive, the club would go backwards very quickly.
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Post by monkbar on Feb 9, 2016 10:09:49 GMT 1
Marcus and terrierpark would be my nominees. If only to confront them with the financial realities of sourcing, signing and keeping "quality" players on 10,000 crowds. Still, they can get a fleeting hard on while writing the big cheques (wages won't bother them that much and resisting player power will be oh so easy) Can you imagine if one of those two chumps took over as chief executive, the club would go backwards bust very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 12:20:36 GMT 1
Why not? How hard can it be to hang onto £9,000,000 and make excuses up for not signing anyone who commands a fee for a year or so? So a business with cash on hand has to spend it regardless of value and sustainability? You've been told many times that Town's targets in January were not attainable. Spending money for vanity is insane. It was a tongue in cheek comment. Maybe I should have put a stickie out tongue smiley to make it easier for you to get the drift?
If we get dragged into the relegation fight with a depleted squad already full of loans, a few on here might change their mind about lack of squad strengthening for a year. With any luck it wont happen and the club can live up to it's promises of finally bringing in a few quality permanent squad members.
If it takes the club over a year to find a striker and a centre back, they are either not trying hard enough or being unrealistic with pricing. I'd live a Ferrari, but if I'm only willing to pay Ford Mondeo money, I'll be looking for a long time before I find the right car.
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Post by detox on Feb 9, 2016 12:34:25 GMT 1
I'm inclined to think Clibbens was reigning in Dean with some of the financial stuff. I don't know why I think this other than the fact generally account ants are tight fisted buggers and like to go thread t'needle on any spending plans. Maybe his totally ill thought out pricing strategy finally did for him...I once totted up the number of different prices that were in place to watch Town and it was almost 100... I wonder who is crunching the numbers now for Dean...I can knock up a mean spreadsheet if he's stuck....Dean ?
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Post by midlander on Feb 9, 2016 12:39:32 GMT 1
I'm inclined to think Clibbens was reigning in Dean with some of the financial stuff. I don't know why I think this other than the fact generally account ants are tight fisted buggers and like to go thread t'needle on any spending plans. Maybe his totally ill thought out pricing strategy finally did for him...I once totted up the number of different prices that were in place to watch Town and it was almost 100... I wonder who is crunching the numbers now for Dean...I can knock up a mean spreadsheet if he's stuck....Dean ? Possibly true as when I was discussing it with my mum she told me that she'd overheard someone discussing this at the PNE match (I know; massively credible source.....) who was clearly stating that the reason he had gone was because he had vetoed some deals in January which Wagner wanted doing.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 9, 2016 12:59:35 GMT 1
I'm inclined to think Clibbens was reigning in Dean with some of the financial stuff. I don't know why I think this other than the fact generally account ants are tight fisted buggers and like to go thread t'needle on any spending plans. Maybe his totally ill thought out pricing strategy finally did for him...I once totted up the number of different prices that were in place to watch Town and it was almost 100... I wonder who is crunching the numbers now for Dean...I can knock up a mean spreadsheet if he's stuck....Dean ? Possibly true as when I was discussing it with my mum she told me that she'd overheard someone discussing this at the PNE match (I know; massively credible source.....) who was clearly stating that the reason he had gone was because he had vetoed some deals in January which Wagner wanted doing. Sorry, are you saying that the rumour was that Clibbens vetoed the deals that Wagner wanted?
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Post by annieoakley on Feb 9, 2016 13:13:52 GMT 1
Possibly true as when I was discussing it with my mum she told me that she'd overheard someone discussing this at the PNE match (I know; massively credible source.....) who was clearly stating that the reason he had gone was because he had vetoed some deals in January which Wagner wanted doing. Sorry, are you saying that the rumour was that Clibbens vetoed the deals that Wagner wanted? I was with midlanders mum when the conversation was overheard but it was said that it was Webber who wanted the transfers, not Wagner. Might be a load of bull though ...
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Post by annieoakley on Feb 9, 2016 13:15:42 GMT 1
Sorry, are you saying that the rumour was that Clibbens vetoed the deals that Wagner wanted? I was with midlanders mum when the conversation was overheard but it was said that it was Webber who wanted the transfers, not Wagner. Might be a load of bull though ... Or rather, Clibbens fell out with Webber not Wagner over the transfers!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 13:26:03 GMT 1
I was with midlanders mum when the conversation was overheard but it was said that it was Webber who wanted the transfers, not Wagner. Might be a load of bull though ... Or rather, Clibbens fell out with Webber not Wagner over the transfers! Did Clibbens actually have any say over who we did and didn't sign? Seems a bit strange if he did given he knows the square root of zero about football and it was Dean doing the spending, not him
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Post by space hardware on Feb 9, 2016 13:28:51 GMT 1
Or rather, Clibbens fell out with Webber not Wagner over the transfers! Did Clibbens actually have any say over who we did and didn't sign? Seems a bit strange if he did given he knows the square root of zero about football and it was Dean doing the spending, not him This is what I was trying to find out. If Clibbens had any say over who was coming in then something is very wrong with that scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 13:30:13 GMT 1
Did Clibbens actually have any say over who we did and didn't sign? Seems a bit strange if he did given he knows the square root of zero about football and it was Dean doing the spending, not him This is what I was trying to find out. If Clibbens had any say over who was coming in then something is very wrong with that scenario. Granted he would have some say in terms of the buget he had developed and falling in line with FFP but when you consider all the outgoings this season, there was massive room for incomings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 13:33:38 GMT 1
Or rather, Clibbens fell out with Webber not Wagner over the transfers! Did Clibbens actually have any say over who we did and didn't sign? Seems a bit strange if he did given he knows the square root of zero about football and it was Dean doing the spending, not him Clibbens had a massive say in who we signed or didn't sign. Webber went to him with some targets, whether they were his targets or his and Wagners targets I don't know. No. No. No. Not spending money when we can float along and stay up without opening the chest. Webber a bit pissed. Dean realises that even at £179 season cards will be a hard sell with that sort of approach. Gone. Apparently.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 9, 2016 13:44:18 GMT 1
Lets's just think about the logic here...
Clibbens - has a responsibility for the P&L and if a deal is financially viable (based on the parameters set by Hoyle)
Webber - finds the players and recommends to Wagner and determines what deal they can be obtained for, advises Clibbens accordingly
Wagner - has a final say on the players that are signed at first team level in terms of ability, Webber negotiates fee and wages - Clibbens rubber stamps
Now - if all of the above is credible and makes sense where is there likely to have been a fall out? If we assume Webber has found a player DW wants you can only assume, if the rumour is anywhere near true, that NC has potentially said "we aren't paying that"....
If that scenario is true did SW and or DW escalate above NC to DH and request some leeway on the budget - basically make a case for exceeding the "budget"...DH then has the power to make a decision as it's essentially his cash...if there was no escalation by SW or by NC (should NC have told DH what SW/DW had requested) then the process has failed.
I am sure that DH will answer that question honestly but if there is a break down in trust and a working relationship between the senior management team something has had to change.
It's water already under the bridge and we move on.
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Post by E4b on Feb 9, 2016 14:23:10 GMT 1
Might as well just move on and forget this. It's not as though the fans will ever know what happens at Board level. We get to know, more than we need to, in a lot of happenings with players (Stead, Vaughan, Gerrard etc) but board level? Forget it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 14:37:11 GMT 1
I see this has turned into if's but's and maybe's...
Who cares he gone, at last.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 9, 2016 14:50:37 GMT 1
Probably gone on to better things. The last time I saw him in the car park he was getting out of a Nissan Micra.
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Post by detox on Feb 9, 2016 16:30:14 GMT 1
Move on ? There's another 5 pages left in this story yet ....
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Post by detox on Feb 9, 2016 16:34:58 GMT 1
Lets's just think about the logic here... Clibbens - has a responsibility for the P&L and if a deal is financially viable (based on the parameters set by Hoyle) Webber - finds the players and recommends to Wagner and determines what deal they can be obtained for, advises Clibbens accordingly Wagner - has a final say on the players that are signed at first team level in terms of ability, Webber negotiates fee and wages - Clibbens rubber stamps Now - if all of the above is credible and makes sense where is there likely to have been a fall out? If we assume Webber has found a player DW wants you can only assume, if the rumour is anywhere near true, that NC has potentially said "we aren't paying that".... If that scenario is true did SW and or DW escalate above NC to DH and request some leeway on the budget - basically make a case for exceeding the "budget"...DH then has the power to make a decision as it's essentially his cash...if there was no escalation by SW or by NC (should NC have told DH what SW/DW had requested) then the process has failed. I am sure that DH will answer that question honestly but if there is a break down in trust and a working relationship between the senior management team something has had to change. It's water already under the bridge and we move on. It might be a bit more complex than that. If Town have 2 or 3 longer term targets, a couple of medium targets and then identify a couple of immediate targets....then Clibbo will no doubt be saying...oooh,but ...you can't have x player then if you now want player y and if you want player z as well then player w has to go too ....followed by lots of tutting ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 16:53:27 GMT 1
This must be one of the most protracted departures in history.....9 pages+.
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