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Post by Melc on Feb 9, 2016 17:45:05 GMT 1
So a business with cash on hand has to spend it regardless of value and sustainability? You've been told many times that Town's targets in January were not attainable. Spending money for vanity is insane. It was a tongue in cheek comment. Maybe I should have put a stickie out tongue smiley to make it easier for you to get the drift?
If we get dragged into the relegation fight with a depleted squad already full of loans, a few on here might change their mind about lack of squad strengthening for a year. With any luck it wont happen and the club can live up to it's promises of finally bringing in a few quality permanent squad members.
If it takes the club over a year to find a striker and a centre back, they are either not trying hard enough or being unrealistic with pricing. I'd live a Ferrari, but if I'm only willing to pay Ford Mondeo money, I'll be looking for a long time before I find the right car. I would say most town fans expected more team strengthening in the summer, but for all we know maybe Dean decided long before Powell went not to back him so to give the new coach a clear playing field to work with. This last transfer window's lack of transfer activity has already been explained by Wagner and most can see where he is coming from. All well and good judging things now, but for all we know deals could already be set up for the summer that will turn out to be better in the long term for the club. Providing we stop up (and I think we will), then with the new season card offer and a decent transfer summer window for Wagner then the wait should be one worth waiting for!
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 9, 2016 17:45:26 GMT 1
This must be one of the most protracted departures in history.....9 pages+. You're lucky, I'm on my phone, it's 27 pages on here ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:09:01 GMT 1
I'm inclined to think Clibbens was reigning in Dean with some of the financial stuff. I don't know why I think this other than the fact generally account ants are tight fisted buggers and like to go thread t'needle on any spending plans. Maybe his totally ill thought out pricing strategy finally did for him...I once totted up the number of different prices that were in place to watch Town and it was almost 100... I wonder who is crunching the numbers now for Dean...I can knock up a mean spreadsheet if he's stuck....Dean ? Possibly true as when I was discussing it with my mum she told me that she'd overheard someone discussing this at the PNE match (I know; massively credible source.....) who was clearly stating that the reason he had gone was because he had vetoed some deals in January which Wagner wanted doing. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it!
So it was the nasty accountant stopping Deano from buying all those top end players that we needed..... Yeah right That's the perfect scapegoat scenario, if I've ever seen one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:15:36 GMT 1
It was a tongue in cheek comment. Maybe I should have put a stickie out tongue smiley to make it easier for you to get the drift?
If we get dragged into the relegation fight with a depleted squad already full of loans, a few on here might change their mind about lack of squad strengthening for a year. With any luck it wont happen and the club can live up to it's promises of finally bringing in a few quality permanent squad members.
If it takes the club over a year to find a striker and a centre back, they are either not trying hard enough or being unrealistic with pricing. I'd live a Ferrari, but if I'm only willing to pay Ford Mondeo money, I'll be looking for a long time before I find the right car. I would say most town fans expected more team strengthening in the summer, but for all we know maybe Dean decided long before Powell went not to back him so to give the new coach a clear playing field to work with. This last transfer window's lack of transfer activity has already been explained by Wagner and most can see where he is coming from. All well and good judging things now, but for all we know deals could already be set up for the summer that will turn out to be better in the long term for the club. Providing we stop up (and I think we will), then with the new season card offer and a decent transfer summer window for Wagner then the wait should be one worth waiting for!
Providing that's what happens the gamble will have paid off and we could have a very good season. Lots of ifs and buts yet though...mainly being, if we stay up and if we sign the players we need. Now that Nasty Nige has gone, maybe Deano will be allowed to dip into his/the clubs fabled warchest!
I'm struggling to see any contracts already being in place for the summer, when we're not even sure what division we'll be in yet, but you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:15:48 GMT 1
Probably gone on to better things. The last time I saw him in the car park he was getting out of a Nissan Micra. Why buy a Mercedes (Tom Bradshaw) when you can get by with a Micra (Ishmael Miller)
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Post by dugnet on Feb 9, 2016 18:23:17 GMT 1
I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up....Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not?
I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess?
Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens...
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Post by Marco4 on Feb 9, 2016 18:31:48 GMT 1
I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up.... Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not? I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess? Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens... This is a genuinely interesting question. There's a financial aspect to it (particularly in terms of outgoings - A player needs to be worth more than the value of their replacement, if not immediately) but for incomings it's as much a question of power as money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:54:22 GMT 1
I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up.... Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not? I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess? Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens... This is a genuinely interesting question. There's a financial aspect to it (particularly in terms of outgoings - A player needs to be worth more than the value of their replacement, if not immediately) but for incomings it's as much a question of power as money. Current Annual Wage x Outstanding Contract Length in Years.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 9, 2016 19:13:21 GMT 1
This is a genuinely interesting question. There's a financial aspect to it (particularly in terms of outgoings - A player needs to be worth more than the value of their replacement, if not immediately) but for incomings it's as much a question of power as money. Current Annual Wage x Outstanding Contract Length in Years. That's the current cost not necessarily the value (you perceive to your club) - it's a subjective decision e.g. Dempsey will be on more than he was at Carlisle, the agent will have a view, but who decides what we pay (anyone)?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:33:51 GMT 1
Current Annual Wage x Outstanding Contract Length in Years. That's the current cost not necessarily the value (you perceive to your club) - it's a subjective decision e.g. Dempsey will be on more than he was at Carlisle, the agent will have a view, but who decides what we pay (anyone)? I know, I'm suggesting that's a simplified starting point for a fee. There's an article on the Jordan Rhodes transfer on some north east newspaper website that goes into great detail.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 9, 2016 19:49:43 GMT 1
I suppose my question is who had the responsibility of making the business decision. You naturally assume Hoyle but may be it was delegated to Clibbens..?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 13:52:20 GMT 1
It will all come out in the wash. To be brutally honest, Clibbens wasn't a football man but steadied the ship. I thought at times he was quite aloof and he didn't help himself with the inelastic statement and general business speak he came out with. Now we move on and see who the "Replacement" will be. Anyone on here applying? Lets just say he didnt resign so i believe
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Post by detox on Feb 11, 2016 13:58:11 GMT 1
I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up....Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not? I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess? Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens... Probably have a glass's guide, for footballers........one careful owner, low mileage, regularly serviced, good runner .....bargain at £3m ?
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 12, 2016 21:15:06 GMT 1
I listened to Clibbens once at Millbridge Club, he came over ok to me for a pen pusher, seemed to be in the spirit of things. But in regards to this: I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up....Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not? I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess? Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens... Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/99503/clibbens?page=10#ixzz3zzD6KzOSThis is exactly in part what i was saying in the infamous you have been decieved thread. I argued that it wasnt or wouldnt have been dw decision alone that said the prices are too high we wait and get them in the summer when they are free. People jumped on the are you calling DW a liar approach when in reality of course there would be some sort of collective decision. Imagine the reverse at a board room meeting. You what? We have broken our transfer record fee paid for someone on a free in the summer?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 12, 2016 22:05:07 GMT 1
I listened to Clibbens once at Millbridge Club, he came over ok to me for a pen pusher, seemed to be in the spirit of things. But in regards to this: I know I have said this thread is tedious but there is one question hat it does throw up....Who, at Town, ultimately determines the financial value of a player? I know the market tends to dictate matters but who is responsible for deciding if a player is "value" or not? I know it's not an exact science but I can't imagine it is anything other than a collaborative exercise i.e. all the parties involved need to agree and fit a player into the available budget. If that breaks down in any way then there must be a change I guess? Someone still has the ultimate yes/no decision though....was Clibbens the delegated authority or was it ultimately Dean? As I say if these guys start to disagree then you're pretty much stuffed as nothing happens... Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/99503/clibbens?page=10#ixzz3zzD6KzOSThis is exactly in part what i was saying in the infamous you have been decieved thread. I argued that it wasnt or wouldnt have been dw decision alone that said the prices are too high we wait and get them in the summer when they are free. People jumped on the are you calling DW a liar approach when in reality of course there would be some sort of collective decision. Imagine the reverse at a board room meeting. You what? We have broken our transfer record fee paid for someone on a free in the summer? I think you over think things. Seriously - there is absolutely nothing you can do to influence how Town go about their transfer business so why worry so much?
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