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Post by dxterrier on Apr 30, 2024 0:43:13 GMT 1
The last 2 times we got out of the 3rd division we had workhorses as well as skill and passion in the team which is what we need 1995: Tom Cowan Darren Bullock Iain Dunn Ronnie Jepson Andy Booth
2012: Peter Clarke Gary Roberts Lee Novak
They are the kind of lads we need, not some of the uninterested mob we have now, plus a true midfield playmaker is essential
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 29, 2024 23:25:29 GMT 1
Given we have been relegated to the third division, and the expected financial losses involved, will you now look to sell? As it stands to reason you must have bought the club to build, as it stands we have gone backwards, while not entirely your fault as the damage was done long before you arrived, do you now feel it is too big a job?
The decision making at the heart of the club has been disasterous this season, will you now take a serious look at the management structure? you were warned by lots of us mere fans that the squad was woefully short, does it make sense that if Mr Cartwright and Mr Edwards could not see the glaringly obvious fact, then neither of them are fit to run the club.
Your current manager has stated the behaviour of certain players is the worst he has seen in 30 years, that is a damning statement, will you be taking every step to get to the root cause of this as if we go into another season of this, then we will have another bad season, as the attitude around the club and in the squad has been just as big a factor in this seasons failings as the ability of the squad
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 22:30:45 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be. We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance. We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division Talking of bad apples I think we need a list.... I'll start Koroma Funnily enough, that was the first name that came to mind, complete guess based on no inside information, just a feeling but I think the players to leave early were: Koroma Thomas Burgzorg Matos
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 17:47:11 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be.
We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance.
We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 27, 2024 18:33:22 GMT 1
Last season was papering over the huge cracks that had(baring the play off season)been there since coming out of the premier league. The lessons were not learned and this seasons those same cracks opened up again and were too wide to fix
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 27, 2024 18:29:29 GMT 1
Can't believe the players like getting beat. If they try then a round of applause for their seasons efforts is fine. On a personal note. When I played, all be it at a way lower level, I used to hate getting beat. Nothing better than shaking hands at the end of a game with a team of players you have just beat. Nothing worse than shaking hands with some smug c**t that has just beaten you! Don't think its a case of like getting beat, but on this seasons showing I'd very much believe that too many of them don't care if they get beat
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 24, 2024 13:55:43 GMT 1
I remember it well. I worked up canal street at the time which was at the side of what was rickys bar, about 6 of us who worked there were going so we went in shifts to queue. I remember getting to Leeds rd on the day to get on the coach to be grabbed by a guy i didn't really know but had stood next to him a few times on the east terrace, he asked me to be a steward on the coach so got my money back(always been a bit of an ar ar arkwright). It was such a great day, town were at wembley, the old and much better wembley, for a 19 year old me who had only known division 4 and division 3 and the dissapointment of the 92 peterboro play off semmi it was amazing seeing all the flags going down the M1. It was still a great day despite the result and Tommy Cowan's dreadful penalty.....and 12 months later we were back there for an even better day, which I nearly missed the coach for as i slept through my alarm
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 15:43:19 GMT 1
He just seems to come accross as defeated, to me anyway, seems a similar vibe to how Wagner was just before he left. When asked by Oggy if he would be staying he completely deflected the question, can't help but think he would have said he will be here next season regardless if that was the case. Yes he has a contract but i'd be very surprised if there isn't a relegation release clause in that To be fair after that game I think most managers would come across deflated and rather be somewhere else, but doesn’t mean he’s going anywhere! I expect him to be here next season whatever league we are in….. Part of me hopes you are right but as someone else has said potentially a great manager, good track record but this seems to be the wrong job for him, was certainly seems the wrong time
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 15:14:49 GMT 1
I think that was a good move by Rotherham, AB has obviously got a good pedigree, and given the right conditions could be a great manager for us, but if, as it looks like, he doesn't want to be here then he should go, not after the Ipswich game, but now, today. Give someone else(has to be worthy) a chance to pull off something nigh on impossible, or as is more likely, just try and end the season building a bit of confidence, and start planning for life in league 1 because barring a near bonefide miracle thats where we are going. If its left too long we are too far behind in planning for next season(another lesson that needs learning) which could then lead to a disjointed pre season, which could mean another poor season in the league below and further loss of confidence Andre, if you are staying come out and say it, if you are going then go now when you are saying it looks like he doesn't want to be here, what are you referring to specifically? Also, as he has a 2.5 year contract I guess he does not need to say he is staying does he? He just seems to come accross as defeated, to me anyway, seems a similar vibe to how Wagner was just before he left. When asked by Oggy if he would be staying he completely deflected the question, can't help but think he would have said he will be here next season regardless if that was the case. Yes he has a contract but i'd be very surprised if there isn't a relegation release clause in that
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 14:27:55 GMT 1
It says a lot when no player would be interviewed by Oggy after the debacle on saturday, Oggy even said it wasn't because they didnt play well he had asked several players who declined because "they didn't want to say something they should'nt" that doesn't sound good at all, thats either aimed at the manager, the way the club is being run, or it could be about the fans
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 14:23:16 GMT 1
Agree with this, he is coming accross as he has been sold a pup, almost seems as if he doesn't want to be here and I agree he doesn't want to be here for league 1. Always thought passion and belief has to start from the manager, thats how Warnock kept us up, thats why we looked a lot better under worthy. This is pretty much the same squad that did belive last season, that gave it all to stay up. If that is true that he has been sold a pup thats criminal mismanagement given our position. If he wants to leave he should leave now, give us a chance to get planning for life in league 1, get worthy in for the last 2 games He’s not inspirational is he? He’s dour. Who interviewed him and thought- YES! This is the man to dig us out of relegation and inspire terrier fight for survival. I don’t work in football but I’ve known some great leaders and leadership in my life - professionally and in amateur sports. Andre clearly has shown leadership skills in Germany, inspiring a promotion for a smaller club into Bundesliga in 2014… but is that what a group of mostly English, mostly lazy, lads need a decade later? Not for me. We’d have actually been better getting Steve Evans the Rotherham guy in.
Anyone not running in training would’ve been physically assaulted by big steve and no bad thing too. A bit of the Brian Clough school of management. Literally twat lazy players. I think that was a good move by Rotherham, AB has obviously got a good pedigree, and given the right conditions could be a great manager for us, but if, as it looks like, he doesn't want to be here then he should go, not after the Ipswich game, but now, today. Give someone else(has to be worthy) a chance to pull off something nigh on impossible, or as is more likely, just try and end the season building a bit of confidence, and start planning for life in league 1 because barring a near bonefide miracle thats where we are going. If its left too long we are too far behind in planning for next season(another lesson that needs learning) which could then lead to a disjointed pre season, which could mean another poor season in the league below and further loss of confidence Andre, if you are staying come out and say it, if you are going then go now
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 13:56:18 GMT 1
I've not read the whole of this thread but my thoughts on Breitenreiter is that he clearly operates at a high level with high standards and has been sold a complete pup with us. I don't think he can truly believe what state this club is in and clearly didn't know before signing or wouldn't have entertained us. If you listen to some of his interviews he infers quite clearly that players don't put effort into training and some don't on a match day. 'Half the group was running, half wasn't' or words to that effect after the Swansea game speaking about the game itself and saying certain players aren't training well and therefore not being selected. Do you think he has ever had unprofessionalism to this level whilst winning titles in the German or Swiss leagues or qualifying for European football? There is no way on god's earth he stays for L1 but I would be happy if he did if, and it's a big if, he is given the correct tools. Agree with this, he is coming accross as he has been sold a pup, almost seems as if he doesn't want to be here and I agree he doesn't want to be here for league 1. Always thought passion and belief has to start from the manager, thats how Warnock kept us up, thats why we looked a lot better under worthy. This is pretty much the same squad that did belive last season, that gave it all to stay up. If that is true that he has been sold a pup thats criminal mismanagement given our position. If he wants to leave he should leave now, give us a chance to get planning for life in league 1, get worthy in for the last 2 games
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 22:53:18 GMT 1
www.facebook.com/lufcfans/posts/pfbid03YZPQSGB4qJqAp7UQJXKkqAqJ826yjktqnWij77genJBzaTKQseu8X4CH16yhnxQlBlackburn beat Leeds then lose to Sheffield Wednesday. Coventry beat Leeds then lose to Southampton. West Brom beat Leeds then lose to Swansea. Preston beat Leeds then lose to Sheffield Wednesday. Sunderland beat Leeds then lose to Bristol City. LEEDS IS EVERYONE'S CUP FINAL Jesus Christ on a f**king scooter, what an absolute set of ham shankers Of course being in a bad mood after yesterday and lots of other things I had to comment "Typical arrogant leeds tossers....history averages you out to be a second division club with the occasional few good years, yet you all seem to think you are one of the countrys elite clubs....Fact, your honours list is no more impressive than a lot of other clubs on your level and its often the way in the championship where any club can beat another, leeds are nothing special in this division or any other"
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 17:00:18 GMT 1
Totally understand the feelings, this season has been a complete s**tshow, made worse by the fact we totally didn't learn the lessons from last season and before. That is nothing more than a major failing by all involved in the running of the club, that failure is an absolute insult to the faith we, as fans, give freely to the club we love and right now its been made worse because we have gone down without putting up much fight.
I think there is a part of all of us that wants to walk away, but underneath I know I won't, I can't. There is something about your club, your team that lodges in your heart, your soul and gets in your blood. For me thats been there since one tuesday night in 1980, the first time I got to the top of the steps in the old main stand at Leeds Road and got my first ever glimpse of the pitch under the floodlights, heard the noise. As a wide eyed 5 year old it grips you and never lets go. There has been good times and there has been bad times, it a rollercoaster, but its a true love that no matter how much it hurts at times, you can't leave.
Really doesn't feel like it at the moment but the highest of highs are always worth the lowest of lows, thats the life of a town fan
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 15:47:56 GMT 1
We likely are going down but I don't see us properly struggling next season. We don't have financial issues which kept us down for 11 years last time and we have a good squad foundation for league 1 with an owner willing to back us. Also, from listening to the second tier podcast they've said that they've seen a lot of league 1 this season and it is abysmal football. You think?? We don't have a striker with a true strikers instinct, that can score 10+ goals a season, we don't have a midfielder who can boss a game, or can pass a ball consistantly and that will be all to apparent, even in league 1. Even the decent players we have now will be gone, Nicholls, Helik, Sorba and probably spencer will be off
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 14:26:36 GMT 1
Wednesday deserve to stay up. They actually have some fight within them. Hope we drag Birmingham down with us next week. I’d rather Birmingham beat us, and we take Plymouth or Blackburn with us. Both of them less likely to have a title push compared to Birmingham and Weds. What makes you think we will be anywhere near the top end of league 1?? with the current squad, much of that squad we are going to be stuck with, do you really think they will do well in league 1, I can see another relegation battle next season
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 20, 2024 22:14:18 GMT 1
For years we have operated under a culture of lets just invest as little as possible and hope for the best, sometimes that works, but only when recruitment is good enough to offset the small investment. It worked with Stuart Webber, but since he went it hasn't, ok we got lucky with Carlos. Unless that culture changes or we vastly improve recruitment then we are stuck in league 1 for years, or worse When was the last time we had a striker who you knew would get 15+ goals a season?? When did we last have a player who could be regarded as a matchwinner I thought it was very telling that Oggy couldn't get a player to agree to an interview today, because none of them wanted to say something they shouldn't were the words used. I think there is something very wrong at the club that has contributed to relegation(lets be honest its happening) Unless we radically regenerate the squad with at least a core of players who are "proud and honoured" to wear the shirt then we cannot progress, without that happening would it really surprise you if we were in another relegation scrap next season, and I mean a league 1 relegation scrap. This has been years in the making as the club has been too content to just try and patch things up or paper over gaping cracks, that was always going to end badly
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 19, 2024 12:08:21 GMT 1
Unless we beat Swansea(which no chance in hell by the way) It wont matter Ever thought about taking up motivational speaking!? Just being realistic, we will not beat Swansea, Brum will beat rotherham
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 18, 2024 23:28:32 GMT 1
Evans turned it down earlier this season as well. Unfashionable manager but he does get results. Hopefully he has them fired up and does us a massive favour. Unless we beat Swansea(which no chance in hell by the way) It wont matter
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 18, 2024 0:58:26 GMT 1
Nice to see plenty of optimism but sorry chaps I have none. Can only see at best another draw, I think whatever fight was left went with that penalty, that was enough to prove we will get no help from the football gods. I fully expect Brum to stuff rotherham, expect at least two of the teams around us to get a result, I predict a 2-0 loss here with one being another questionable penalty while Ruddoni, Koroma or healy could get shot at the other end, no penalty and gets sent off for covering the pitch in blood I have felt the writing has been on the wall since failing to beat rotherham, and collapsing against West Brom. We have that collapse in us, which seems to be a mentality problem, soon as we are under pressure and Birmingham, especially Bacuna and Pritchard are going to come screaming at us from the first minute
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 14, 2024 17:08:12 GMT 1
Everything in that is absolutely spot on apart from Thomas will get a move back to the Championship imo. We’re stuck with the majority of this squad, and it isn’t one that will frighten any of the better sides in League 1. Many of our squad will probably still be playing at a level above where they should be. I don't know enough of Div 3 to know who the good teams are but presumably, they will be promoted. What I do know is last year's Div 3 Champions have struggled in the Championship, as have the Wendies, who accumulated over 90pts last season. Ipswich have been excellent though, obviously. Quality wise, I think the bottom 8 or 9 in this year's Championship have been really poor & have been pretty much on a par but they include Plymouth & Wendies who walked Div 3. I expect we will lose Helik, Nakayama, Rudoni, Burgzorg, Thomas & maybe Balker but we need a big clear out to rid of us of the losing mentality of our squad. We will get far more decisions in Div 3 than we have here, we are bound to get several home penalties & none of the opposition are going to be anything like the calibre of Leicester, Leeds & Southampton. The main difference, if we do go down, will be that I'm sure KN will support as, as much as he can, to get back quickly. This, clearly, does not mean I expect us to walk our way to the title, however, I do feel I'd be disappointed if we weren't challenging, as a few wins would restore players' confidence quickly. That being said, I am not willing to accept we will be going down just yet, the players were very good yesterday & were clearly robbed, we deserved, & should have had, 3 pts. Plymouth win at Leicester, Birmingham win at Coventry, and the bindippers let Blackburn win at Elland road, the first time they have lost there all season. Then we get the worst penalty decision against us, in the 9th/10th minute of injury time, which should have been 5 mins....how many more ways can the football gods scream "come in HTAFC your time is up"
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 22:36:03 GMT 1
I don't think there is any love lost between us and bacuna and the dwarf hates us, either one could beat us on their own right now and both will be bang up for it My bigger worry is that Bacca is 10 times the player any of our midfielders are. Definitely, and as much as we don't like Pritchard, if he fancies it, and he will, he is 10 times the player on his day of any of out front line and more than a match for our vanarama leauge standard defence
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 22:22:50 GMT 1
Abandon hope, its easier. failing to even try to win at rotherham, collapsing against west brom, collapsing agaist preston, still having to play bristol and swansea who by tonights showing can brush us aside, still having to go to ipswich who will likely still be in with a shout of automatic, and still having to face 2 former players who can be matchwinners and will be desperate to put us to the sword. All that is enough to kill hope, thats reality. We are down thats not a prediction, its a spoiler The dwarf might be desperate to do us but I don't know about Bacca, after all Tom Edwards backed him over the racist Brum fan abusing him at St Andrews (straw clutching 🫣) I don't think there is any love lost between us and bacuna and the dwarf hates us, either one could beat us on their own right now and both will be bang up for it
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 22:19:30 GMT 1
I honestly don't think it matters who you play when it gets to this stage of the season. Certainly not when you’re playing as poorly as we are. Would you back us to even win a game in League Two are the moment? I wouldn't back us against them up the M606 at the minute
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 22:04:18 GMT 1
Fuckkng hell....why are they doing this to us, the agony of hope. Abandon hope, its easier. failing to even try to win at rotherham, collapsing against west brom, collapsing agaist preston, still having to play bristol and swansea who by tonights showing can brush us aside, still having to go to ipswich who will likely still be in with a shout of automatic, and still having to face 2 former players who can be matchwinners and will be desperate to put us to the sword. All that is enough to kill hope, thats reality. We are down thats not a prediction, its a spoiler
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 21:52:03 GMT 1
Mad that we still have a chance. Just when we look finished we get another shot. And every time we get that chance we fail to take it, I think the only chance we have is wendnesday losing every game, brum losing the other 3 and us somehow sneaking a point against them. We have no chance in hell against bristol or swansea
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 21:43:34 GMT 1
Talk about clutching at straws our next 2 opponents have just scored 7 goals between them tonight. make that 8
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 21:42:00 GMT 1
Only 4 added minutes at Birmingham. Come on Cardiff. Plenty time for brum to win 2-1, its gonna happen
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 21:40:52 GMT 1
Not sure, Leeds and Leicester seem to be stuttering a bit Won’t stutter forever though, someone has to win the title. At the very least Coventry will have some fight. Just hope its not the beeston bindippers, think we have had it either way but at least a very minor comfort would be them choking and choking again in the play offs
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 10, 2024 21:36:12 GMT 1
If we can get 4 points, Blackburn are definitely going down. Can’t see them getting anything in their remaining games. Might only need 3 points if their GD takes a hammering from Leeds, Cov and Leicester. Not sure, Leeds and Leicester seem to be stuttering a bit
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