Philip Billing

[terriersyndrome]

Jul 28, 2019 10:34:20 GMT 1 terriertim said:

Its 15m quid plus ad ons- expect it will be closed to 20m when all is said and done - and when Billing scores 20 goals this season from mdfield and is sold to Barca for 100m we will prob get 20% of that as well - so all in all 40m quid for a bang average player who if he concentrated on his game rather than sending tw@tter comments would have been a world beater for us !

The reports I've read suggests the fee will rise to £15m so I reckon something like £12m with add ons seems more likely.

[Deleted]

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

[rastrick32]

Jul 28, 2019 10:37:55 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

Whilst I agree with some of this, I think you need to balance it out with PB's character. He let us down and he let himself down.

There are fundamental questions about his ability to operate in the PL. Attitude, bottle, stamina, tracking runners, decision-making, even tackling. With that in mind, £15m is about right for both clubs.

[houllierspal]

Or he could have stayed, wouldn't put it beyond him to run his contract down, which would have cost us his not insignificant wages and could then have gone for nothing? He is worth nothing to us at the moment, potentially creating disruption to the U23s so £15M or whatever is IMO good business.

[Headless Chicken]

Jul 28, 2019 9:05:16 GMT 1 aideybabes said:

15 million?

We’ve had Bournemouth’s pants down.

Makes a change as it’s usually us being stiffed.

Question: If we're usually being stiffed, how have we progressed over the last ten years, whilst not being a big spender?

Answer: We haven't generally been stiffed; we've done it by doing more good business than most other clubs.

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Jul 28, 2019 10:50:05 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:37:55 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

Whilst I agree with some of this, I think you need to balance it out with PB's character. He let us down and he let himself down.

There are fundamental questions about his ability to operate in the PL. Attitude, bottle, stamina, tracking runners, decision-making, even tackling. With that in mind, £15m is about right for both clubs.

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

[themanfromatlantis]

Have I missed the bit where this is now official?

[rastrick32]

Jul 28, 2019 11:00:46 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:50:05 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Whilst I agree with some of this, I think you need to balance it out with PB's character. He let us down and he let himself down.

There are fundamental questions about his ability to operate in the PL. Attitude, bottle, stamina, tracking runners, decision-making, even tackling. With that in mind, £15m is about right for both clubs.

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

Yep, some good points there mate. Time moves on but we reflect on how things might have been handled differently.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 11:08:00 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Jul 28, 2019 11:00:46 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

Yep, some good points there mate. Time moves on but we reflect on how things might have been handled differently.

Yep, don’t get me wrong he was majorly at fault but I’ve seen what prem players are like- egos the size of houses. Not easy to manage. The Cloughie era is long gone, sadly. Nowadays managers have to pander to twats like Billing- most definitely a twat but a bloody talented one that all.

Only time will tell whether £15M looks like good value for us or for Bournemouth.

[terriers321]

Good riddance. I am more than confident he will go on to do jack shit.

15 mill if true is very good business for us. Interesting to see if will be reinvested in the team now, likewise with the smith sale.

[TommyTheTerrier]

Not sad to see him go, but should’ve got more.

Don’t let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out.

[Wingman]

Jul 28, 2019 10:37:55 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

£15m for a lad who took years to break through, that whenhe did he turned into a first class turd, is a good deal.

Billing will do nothing in his career as when he is confronted by an opinion different to his own, he will sulk. He’ll be a regular £2-3m transfer in the future at Championship level saying how excited he is to join Millwall at 30 years of age.

[zoso]

Jul 28, 2019 11:06:33 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Have I missed the bit where this is now official?

Exactly this. Methinks we shouldn't be counting our chickens.......

[Tinpot]

Jul 28, 2019 9:04:04 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

Jul 27, 2019 23:25:03 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Good deal all round if it goes through.

£15m for a player who downed tools months ago = good deal for us. £15m for a player of Billing's ability = good deal for Bournemouth. Billing gets to showcase his talents in the PL, at a good club.

I won't wish him well though. His attitude means that as far as I'm concerned he can bollocks. And if I see him at the JS I will boo him as loudly as I can. The massive twat.

Hurts me to say it, but I WILL be hoping that he does well and that his value increases.
No point having various clauses and a sell-on fee if his career goes down the pan is there?

If there is a sell on clause (& tbf I expect there will be) then you have a fair point.

I hope he does brilliantly for about half a season, leaves for silly money & then turns to shit. And signs for Bury. And can't get in their team either. The massive twat.

[zoso]

Jul 28, 2019 12:02:48 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Jul 28, 2019 9:04:04 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

Hurts me to say it, but I WILL be hoping that he does well and that his value increases.
No point having various clauses and a sell-on fee if his career goes down the pan is there?

If there is a sell on clause (& tbf I expect there will be) then you have a fair point.

I hope he does brilliantly for about half a season, leaves for silly money & then turns to shit. And signs for Bury. And can't get in their team either. The massive twat.

You're not too keen on him then?   

[Tinpot]

Jul 28, 2019 12:09:37 GMT 1 zoso said:

Jul 28, 2019 12:02:48 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

If there is a sell on clause (& tbf I expect there will be) then you have a fair point.

I hope he does brilliantly for about half a season, leaves for silly money & then turns to shit. And signs for Bury. And can't get in their team either. The massive twat.

You're not too keen on him then?   

I'm on the fence about the massive twat.

[shawsie]

Jul 28, 2019 11:00:46 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:50:05 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Whilst I agree with some of this, I think you need to balance it out with PB's character. He let us down and he let himself down.

There are fundamental questions about his ability to operate in the PL. Attitude, bottle, stamina, tracking runners, decision-making, even tackling. With that in mind, £15m is about right for both clubs.

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

Whilst you make some decent points, for me the question is not about his talent....it's what has he really done.
81 appearances and I can't name 10 outstanding ones! That's not the hallmarks of a top player. Contrast him with mooy.....who for 2 full seasons was outstanding more weeks than not and then tailed off last term a bit but still never packed it in!
If billing had been outstanding regularly until seiwert arrived then I would give him the benefit of the doubt...but he hadnt. Wagner recognised his talent but didn't trust his work ethic.....he wasn't even in the squad much early in the year we went up, but did improve.
It's a sad inditement on the game when a player nurtured here from a young age is going to leave and if and when he returns will be vilified for being a "lazy, selfish, egotistical prick. It could all have been very amicable and the money well used for us to reinvest with fans saying thanks for the memories and good luck. PBs actions have seen to that.....fortunately there are still some decent ones who understand how lucky they are and show respect even if they might not feel like doing at times.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 12:25:10 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Jul 28, 2019 11:00:46 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

Whilst you make some decent points, for me the question is not about his talent....it's what has he really done.
81 appearances and I can't name 10 outstanding ones! That's not the hallmarks of a top player. Contrast him with mooy.....who for 2 full seasons was outstanding more weeks than not and then tailed off last term a bit but still never packed it in!
If billing had been outstanding regularly until seiwert arrived then I would give him the benefit of the doubt...but he hadnt. Wagner recognised his talent but didn't trust his work ethic.....he wasn't even in the squad much early in the year we went up, but did improve.
It's a sad inditement on the game when a player nurtured here from a young age is going to leave and if and when he returns will be vilified for being a "lazy, selfish, egotistical prick. It could all have been very amicable and the money well used for us to reinvest with fans saying thanks for the memories and good luck. PBs actions have seen to that.....fortunately there are still some decent ones who understand how lucky they are and show respect even if they might not feel like doing at times.

Yep fair comment. There are some very good professionals these days like Hogg, Schindler and Mooy. HTFC legends. Billing could and should’ve done more and his attitude has been woeful on his part no doubt. As a player though I really liked watching him. It was still a lot of potential and he was only just starting to realise it for Town.

[erikbloodaxe]

Billing had a habit of going missing. I'm not sure how people think he was a great player, I don't think he will do much at Bournemouth. I could be wrong but after watching him over the years I really wasn't impressed with him week in week out. 15million is a good deal in my opinion.

[galpharm2400]

Billing?

He once played for us for a short time, acted the arse and was sold for good money.

Yes I remember him, decent player, bad attitude and a long throw.

Next.

[Detective Boyle]

Jul 28, 2019 10:37:55 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

Make no bones about it, that is Billing's fault. If he got his head down last season we'd be looking at 25m. As a result of him spitting his dummy out and telling every PL club in the land he wants a move we've reluctantly had to take 15.

[Nickhudds.UTT]

Jul 28, 2019 15:20:17 GMT 1 erikbloodaxe said:

Billing had a habit of going missing. I'm not sure how people think he was a great player, I don't think he will do much at Bournemouth. I could be wrong but after watching him over the years I really wasn't impressed with him week in week out. 15million is a good deal in my opinion.

Imo its a great bit of business to get so much for him, A very very inconsistent player with obviously a horrid attitude.

[turbo2]

I don’t really get all the abuse. Up until Christmas he was our best player during a time where although we were not winning we were competitive most week.

Surely that shows there is a player in there

I think it’s a good deal for both clubs

[otium (EPBS)]

Jul 28, 2019 10:34:20 GMT 1 terriertim said:

Its 15m quid plus ad ons- expect it will be closed to 20m when all is said and done - and when Billing scores 20 goals this season from mdfield and is sold to Barca for 100m we will prob get 20% of that as well - so all in all 40m quid for a bang average player who if he concentrated on his game rather than sending tw@tter comments would have been a world beater for us !

When he goes to Barca for £100 million i will "like" all of Pixies posts, get a sex-change and walk to China on my hands.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 16:02:19 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:37:55 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Very sad that he won’t be playing for Town again. One of if not the most gifted players I’ve seen play for us since 1992. A little bit more luck with his shooting early season- instead of crashing the bar and he’d have gone for 30 in January with 6 goals to his name.

Ignoring all the loyalty/personal feeling stuff, £15M is a poor return for a player of his attributes in this crazy market where players with no prem appearances go for £20M.

I can see Billing being first choice at Bournemouth and very effective for them. I hooe he does well and I’ll keep an eye on how he’s doing, not that I watch premier league but I’ll jeep an eye out for Phil.

The games where we had Hogg/Mooy/Billing under Wagner we were a quality side (just one without any forwards)

Jeff hendrick for £12M or PB for £15M. I know which I’d have and I bet I know which player Burnley fans would take too.

I bet Dean Hoyle is fuming. He’ll know if he’d been handled properly he’d be going for a lot more than that. Too many fans don’t seem to appreciate the inflation that’s gone on in the last 5 years since the new tv deal. £15M is fuck all. See: diakhaby/mbenza

Make no bones about it, that is Billing's fault. If he got his head down last season we'd be looking at 25m. As a result of him spitting his dummy out and telling every PL club in the land he wants a move we've reluctantly had to take 15.

Agreed but at least some of that responsibility lies with Jan. He was the manager when things went wrong between club/manager and player.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 19:15:58 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Jul 28, 2019 16:02:19 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

Make no bones about it, that is Billing's fault. If he got his head down last season we'd be looking at 25m. As a result of him spitting his dummy out and telling every PL club in the land he wants a move we've reluctantly had to take 15.

Agreed but at least some of that responsibility lies with Jan. He was the manager when things went wrong between club/manager and player.

You might as well blame Wagner because he was the first to publicly criticise Billing for his attitude. Hardly Jans fault, he inherited the problem.

[Porrohman]

Jul 28, 2019 12:25:10 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Jul 28, 2019 11:00:46 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

I certainly take that point. His attitude is his weakness no doubt.

However, I believe with an experienced Prem manager he’ll be fine. He was fine under Wagner. They’re all stupid twats with massive egos. Manager’s job is to get all the twatty egos to play their best on the pitch each week. PB was clearly highly regarded by his own pros so for me I’d have taken a different approach with him in the interests of recouping the most value for him and the carrot for him being a choice of prem clubs rather than Bourney or no one. But we are where we are. I suspect Jan will have learnt a valuable lesson about his own approach and indeed how to best manage his own ego going forward.

Whilst you make some decent points, for me the question is not about his talent....it's what has he really done.
81 appearances and I can't name 10 outstanding ones! That's not the hallmarks of a top player. Contrast him with mooy.....who for 2 full seasons was outstanding more weeks than not and then tailed off last term a bit but still never packed it in!
If billing had been outstanding regularly until seiwert arrived then I would give him the benefit of the doubt...but he hadnt. Wagner recognised his talent but didn't trust his work ethic.....he wasn't even in the squad much early in the year we went up, but did improve.
It's a sad inditement on the game when a player nurtured here from a young age is going to leave and if and when he returns will be vilified for being a "lazy, selfish, egotistical prick. It could all have been very amicable and the money well used for us to reinvest with fans saying thanks for the memories and good luck. PBs actions have seen to that.....fortunately there are still some decent ones who understand how lucky they are and show respect even if they might not feel like doing at times.

Tbf, Phil's done a helluva lot more in his career than Mooy had at the same age. Be interesting to see if he matures the same way.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 19:23:30 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Jul 28, 2019 19:15:58 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Agreed but at least some of that responsibility lies with Jan. He was the manager when things went wrong between club/manager and player.

You might as well blame Wagner because he was the first to publicly criticise Billing for his attitude. Hardly Jans fault, he inherited the problem.

Billing’s fault but could’ve been handled better.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 19:37:11 GMT 1 @htfcprideofyorkshire said:

Jul 28, 2019 19:23:30 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

You might as well blame Wagner because he was the first to publicly criticise Billing for his attitude. Hardly Jans fault, he inherited the problem.

Billing’s fault but could’ve been handled better.

By not disciplining him? How does that work exactly?

[shawsie]

Jul 28, 2019 19:30:33 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 28, 2019 12:25:10 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Whilst you make some decent points, for me the question is not about his talent....it's what has he really done.
81 appearances and I can't name 10 outstanding ones! That's not the hallmarks of a top player. Contrast him with mooy.....who for 2 full seasons was outstanding more weeks than not and then tailed off last term a bit but still never packed it in!
If billing had been outstanding regularly until seiwert arrived then I would give him the benefit of the doubt...but he hadnt. Wagner recognised his talent but didn't trust his work ethic.....he wasn't even in the squad much early in the year we went up, but did improve.
It's a sad inditement on the game when a player nurtured here from a young age is going to leave and if and when he returns will be vilified for being a "lazy, selfish, egotistical prick. It could all have been very amicable and the money well used for us to reinvest with fans saying thanks for the memories and good luck. PBs actions have seen to that.....fortunately there are still some decent ones who understand how lucky they are and show respect even if they might not feel like doing at times.

Tbf, Phil's done a helluva lot more in his career than Mooy had at the same age. Be interesting to see if he matures the same way.

I hope he does....but when successive managers have commented on it, im not sure it will.
Spot on re mooys development and hopefully billing follows suit.....his athleticism and size give him a headstart in an increasingly size and physicality oriented sport at prem league level.