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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 29, 2019 22:42:35 GMT 1
Only 1 of the 3 Danish stooges to get rid of now!
Indeed, If the two World Cup squad boys hadn't returned with delusions of grandeur, Obviously agents in their ears,, Billing would have pulled his finger out and earned a move to a right club,, I reckon he didn't think he would end up playing for BMuff,, Nice area,, Small fry,,,, If he starts off like a house on fire, How long till he states "stepping stone",,, They will have had enough of him after 4 months.
Both left to premier league clubs on higher wages than they had from us, so it's a step up career wise. BMuff good move, chance to play most weeks in a team fairly secure ( as far as any mid table side can be) in the league. Which will give him every chance to make the next step up if he proves good enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:43:38 GMT 1
You could make Des Hamilton look like Bryan Robson if you picked the highlights of 6 years for a 2 minute montage. But a premier league club never came along and offered £15m for Des. Perhaps clubs don’t buy players on the strength of a 2 min YouTube clip? Weren’t Newcastle in the Premier League when they signed Des Hamilton? Didn’t Fergie buy Bebe after watching a YouTube video of him? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:45:21 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad but has he really achieved anything special in moving to Bournemouth? He’ll be playing in a packed house of 11k week in week out, well done lad! It will at least be a bit warmer down there Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of on my 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 29, 2019 22:47:38 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of on my 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 29, 2019 22:49:28 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of on my 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 29, 2019 22:52:06 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of on my 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
Proof might be in 3 years time if/when he gets his next move. Decent club to play more games than if if he went higher up the tree right now.. its obvious his head was elsewhere mid season, so last couple of months of the season probably made no difference and Schalke probably couldnt afford him |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:54:04 GMT 1
Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
That...is a very salient point.
But he could, Billing could have played for us without changing where we are now and earned a right move,, a little more effort and loads more plaudits.
He didn't think he would end up in Dorset., His agent wouldn't have been arsed where he ended up.
I wont clap him if ever he comes back,, I might fake clap him and  loadsamoney at him if comes back after we have had another 3M sell on clause pay up, But that's it,,, He fucking gave up,, Back niggles my arse,,
Too much too young.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 29, 2019 22:54:41 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad but has he really achieved anything special in moving to Bournemouth? He’ll be playing in a packed house of 11k week in week out, well done lad! It will at least be a bit warmer down there Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of only 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? He’s a footballer not a surgeon, for all you know this guy / girl could do wonders for charity, he/she may be a nurse firefighter or one of many wonderful professions in life. But this is a footy forum so don’t ask him to compare what he’s done just because he’s not blowing smoke up that blokes arse, he/she was quoting in footy terms. Also may I had good luck to PB but I’m glad you’ve left, and cheers for basically playing for us for free ( £15 million pays for your wages easily) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:56:40 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of on my 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:59:21 GMT 1
That...is a very salient point.
But he could, Billing could have played for us without changing where we are now and earned a right move,, a little more effort and loads more plaudits.
He didn't think he would end up in Dorset., His agent wouldn't have been arsed where he ended up.
I wont clap him if ever he comes back,, I might fake clap him and loadsamoney at him if comes back after we have had another 3M sell on clause pay up, But that's it,,, He fucking gave up,, Back niggles my arse,,
Too much too young.
And I wouldn't begrudge Mooy or Hogg going at the moment, It may be for the better long term, Ones a dream move to Burnley and tothers way too good to play 2nd tier football.
I would stand up and clap them both if they came back, Schindy and Terry too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 23:11:08 GMT 1
Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
Proof might be in 3 years time if/when he gets his next move. Decent club to play more games than if if he went higher up the tree right now.. its obvious his head was elsewhere mid season, so last couple of months of the season probably made no difference and Schalke probably couldnt afford him Probably correct that they couldn't afford him (not that they're after a midfielder anyway) because if they had paid what Bournemouth had paid, he would have been there biggest summer signing. |
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 29, 2019 23:33:18 GMT 1
Come on then, own up. Who is it that's gone on to the Bournemouth forum saying the only player comparison they can think of is Patrick Viera 😂
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Post by benhomly on Jul 29, 2019 23:36:17 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of only 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? He’s a footballer not a surgeon, for all you know this guy / girl could do wonders for charity, he/she may be a nurse firefighter or one of many wonderful professions in life. But this is a footy forum so don’t ask him to compare what he’s done just because he’s not blowing smoke up that blokes arse, he/she was quoting in footy terms. Also may I had good luck to PB but I’m glad you’ve left, and cheers for basically playing for us for free ( £15 million pays for your wages easily) Well said. Clearly success in tockyterriers world is measured only in pound notes. |
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Post by Amigo on Jul 30, 2019 0:01:35 GMT 1
That's the thing though, it's perception as a fan that's lead you to think that about him but clearly compared to the rest of the Premier League he is a good tackler. He wasn't just statistically our best player, his fellow team mates said he was our best player as well. I think people see him with his style of movement and think he's lazy and can't tackle or get stuck in when the facts say otherwise. He does make good tackles but people see what they want to see. As for Zanka and Mounie, Zanka was good at what a defender does tackles, clearances etc that can't really be argued but he made mistakes. Mounie was good at what he is, a target man but we didn't really play to his strengths and his confidence in front of goal was completely shot which as fan is what you concentrate on from a striker and if he's not doing that right he's shit. They aren't bad players but they aren't popular. I actually think Mounie and Grant would make a really good partnership, there wouldn't as much pressure on Mounie in terms of goals which would probably lead to him scoring more and I think Grant would play well off him. Going back to Billing I think he's a better player going forward but clearly has it in his locker to play deeper. He is a good player and can be even better, just not at HTAFC. I can remember shots coming in when he has halfheartedly turned his bum toward the ball with no real chance of stopping anything, whereas Hogg would have thrown himself at it. OK, not all players are Jonathan Hogg but when it hits the fan players need to step up and I can remember numerous occasions when I didn't think he did. I really hope he is a success at Bournemouth and that he goes on to have a good career, not for the add on payments but because it would mean he has sorted himself out and realised his potential, which would be great. Again is that just a perception thing? Whilst not amazing Billing was 2nd behind Schindler for us for blocks last season and 36th in the Premier League. Hogg was 7th for us and 108th in the Premier League. |
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Post by jonny5 on Jul 30, 2019 0:36:56 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad but has he really achieved anything special in moving to Bournemouth? He’ll be playing in a packed house of 11k week in week out, well done lad! It will at least be a bit warmer down there Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of only 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? I’ve achieved plenty in my time, more than I ever imagined. I think you’re missing my point but I will assume your IQ is less than that of the average Love Island viewer. 😜. Never leave an employer on the wrong terms and believe you could go back is a good trait to have. He or is agent didn’t do too well here, Same as Nahki Wells but they will of course be much wealthier. He didn’t have to leave on the terms he did, unprofessional, in my opinion. What have you achieved in order to question mine? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 30, 2019 0:42:29 GMT 1
He’s a footballer not a surgeon, for all you know this guy / girl could do wonders for charity, he/she may be a nurse firefighter or one of many wonderful professions in life. But this is a footy forum so don’t ask him to compare what he’s done just because he’s not blowing smoke up that blokes arse, he/she was quoting in footy terms. Also may I had good luck to PB but I’m glad you’ve left, and cheers for basically playing for us for free ( £15 million pays for your wages easily) Well said. Clearly success in tockyterriers world is measured only in pound notes. And success in Johnny's world is how many people are watching you do it. Whilst in equating it to plying his trade at the highest level. So what's your point exactly? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 30, 2019 1:08:09 GMT 1
Are you a Bradford fan? He might be playing in front of only 11k at home matches, but they will be against Man U, Man city etc etc. In the Premier League every other week on a wage you and I cant even comprehend. . I'd say that is far and away beyond anything a Town acadamy product has achieved in odern times. What have you achieved? I’ve achieved plenty in my time, more than I ever imagined. I think you’re missing my point but I will assume your IQ is less than that of the average Love Island viewer. 😜. Never leave an employer on the wrong terms and believe you could go back is a good trait to have. He or is agent didn’t do too well here, Same as Nahki Wells but they will of course be much wealthier. He didn’t have to leave on the terms he did, unprofessional, in my opinion. What have you achieved in order to question mine? Good for you. But I didn't question someone's achievement in their chosen profession based on the ground capacity of the club they choose to play for. Is that not the same as saying that a nurse at HRI has achieved less than one who works at LGI ? Your original point didn't question whether he was wise to fall out with the club, only belittled his ambition for choosing to go a club with small crowds even though they are an established Premier league club. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 1:22:07 GMT 1
Apparently with Billing going the local market for Super Noodles hair hats has crashed to the extent that some family owned corner shops risk going out of business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 1:24:05 GMT 1
Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 2:54:48 GMT 1
Billing is modern premier league all round midfielder. His breakthrough season didn’t go as I’d hoped but he’s done enough to get another prem contract at £15M. The best Town could’ve done under the circumstances. I expect to see him being given license to run and break forward for Bournemouth- play in likes of Fraser, Wilson et al but also to get plenty of shots off himself. He rarely plays people in. He likes a diagonal crossfield pass, but they are never incisive. Just one reason why I'd rather have Bacuna. They will be with Fraser and Wilson running the channels instead of haderfuckinggonaj |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 2:57:53 GMT 1
I'm not saying Billing hasn't behaved like a bit of a knob . Though I wasn't there all i have is the club's word for it. And it's in the club's interest to present a story to the fans which is in the best interests of the club . But I always take this "loyalty" thing with a bit of a pinch of salt .. Boothy.. great player, club legend, fair enough . But would he have been grumbling when he got the opportunity to move to Wednesday? Doubt it . Would his agent have been pushing for the move ? Probably . Would he have come back to us when he did if he hadn't been crocked? Doubt it Yep. Silly load of old tosh. Players play for who’ll pay them the most. The vitriol’s Billing’s had has been ridiculous but perhaps it’s all part of the fun of football for some. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 3:04:42 GMT 1
By any stretch of the imagination that is excellent business by Town. It may well come to pass that it is also excellent business by Bournemouth. I hope the lad does well. I think that we all know that there is a genuinely good player in there but it always seemed like that player was an occasional performer when he felt like it. That's why it took him so long to break into the first team when he should have done it sooner. Far too inconsistent and Howe's first job needs to be banning him from social media where he didn't make any friends with some of his remarks. The biggest fee we have ever received for a player would suggest a Town favourite has left the club. The fact that this is far from the truth tells you much that you need to know about Billing. That other premier league teams think he’s shit hot and worth spending £15M on? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 3:06:15 GMT 1
I presume you watch the games - do you consider Billing a strong tackler? If you were asked what his attributes as a footballer are - without recourse to a stats website - would you have listed tackling? Stats...the stats on the Town website has Hoggy down as our top tackler.The very detailed stats at Whoscored.com have Billing down as our “best player” last season. Statistically speaking. They also have Zanka second best and Mounie fourth best. What does that tell you about stats vs real world? 😉 I like PB as a player, just can’t see where he will be fitting in to Bournemouth’s style of play. The stats might say he’s a good DM, my eyes tell me otherwise. Maybe I should have gone to Specsavers 😎 That's the thing though, it's perception as a fan that's lead you to think that about him but clearly compared to the rest of the Premier League he is a good tackler. He wasn't just statistically our best player, his fellow team mates said he was our best player as well. I think people see him with his style of movement and think he's lazy and can't tackle or get stuck in when the facts say otherwise. He does make good tackles but people see what they want to see. As for Zanka and Mounie, Zanka was good at what a defender does tackles, clearances etc that can't really be argued but he made mistakes. Mounie was good at what he is, a target man but we didn't really play to his strengths and his confidence in front of goal was completely shot which as fan is what you concentrate on from a striker and if he's not doing that right he's shit. They aren't bad players but they aren't popular. I actually think Mounie and Grant would make a really good partnership, there wouldn't as much pressure on Mounie in terms of goals which would probably lead to him scoring more and I think Grant would play well off him. Going back to Billing I think he's a better player going forward but clearly has it in his locker to play deeper. Agree with every word of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 3:15:02 GMT 1
Hes obviously burned his bridges with Town and thats evidenced in a lot of opinions about him as a player IMO. For me, he was one of the few we had who actually looked comfortable at prem level. His languid style hides how effective he was in terms of distances covered, tackles, clearences, etc as the stats prove. In today crazy market i think £15m is actually about £5m light for him, but when its so clear to all and sundry that he has no future here, to the point he wasn;t even given a squad number, then that is obviously going to effect his price. In the end, taking that into account , then £15m is a decent enough price. Be interesting to see how he gets on at a more established prem club. But they are taking a chance on him because of his attitude, or perhaps because hes been easily lead by bad advice.. maybe an agent or family. He could go on to be a top player if he gets his head right, so hope we have a decent sell on clause in all this. Very comfortable sat on his couch at home 4 the last few months while the other lads were playing on matchdays!!! lol If a lot of those other lads hadn’t have been so incredibly shit for so much of the early season then the last 4 months might’ve been worth turning up for. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 6:19:44 GMT 1
He is a good player and can be even better, just not at HTAFC. I can remember shots coming in when he has halfheartedly turned his bum toward the ball with no real chance of stopping anything, whereas Hogg would have thrown himself at it. OK, not all players are Jonathan Hogg but when it hits the fan players need to step up and I can remember numerous occasions when I didn't think he did. I really hope he is a success at Bournemouth and that he goes on to have a good career, not for the add on payments but because it would mean he has sorted himself out and realised his potential, which would be great. Again is that just a perception thing? Whilst not amazing Billing was 2nd behind Schindler for us for blocks last season and 36th in the Premier League. Hogg was 7th for us and 108th in the Premier League. Yes, I’m sure it is, but before the days of unlimited stats that is what we went on. I’m not saying I am right just that it is what I perceived. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 30, 2019 6:20:29 GMT 1
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Post by londonterrier23 on Jul 30, 2019 7:37:43 GMT 1
Ok Dad of Phil,,, But who could he have been playing for if he hadn't thrown the towel in ?
Loads of clubs would have been sniffing. He would have had a choice of some right clubs.
Proof in the pudding for me,, Why the fuck hasn't the best manager we have had in recent history chased him ? Because he knows him..
That...is a very salient point. No it’s not. What does anyone know here about Schalke other than what you can glean at face value. The actual truth about their budget, their squad, their needs etc, you have no idea. For all you know he did come in and got rejected. For all you know he has a contractual restriction from his compromise with the club. The fact is that you and the maker of the ‘salient point’ don’t know. This is confirmation bias at work. Does the fact that Wagner hasn’t signed anyone from Town mean that every player here is shit / bad attitude / whatever else negative that is on your mind? |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 30, 2019 8:01:50 GMT 1
That...is a very salient point. No it’s not. What does anyone know here about Schalke other than what you can glean at face value. The actual truth about their budget, their squad, their needs etc, you have no idea. For all you know he did come in and got rejected. For all you know he has a contractual restriction from his compromise with the club. The fact is that you and the maker of the ‘salient point’ don’t know. This is confirmation bias at work. Does the fact that Wagner hasn’t signed anyone from Town mean that every player here is shit / bad attitude / whatever else negative that is on your mind? Also good points. I accept the bias...still no link from anyone of note to Billing though was there? Wagner was not his biggest fan...that was clear. Dont managers return to their old clubs to steal the better players regularly? Schalke have made signings but no approaches at Huddersfield. It was an ideal situation...wantaway top player available cheap and soon. As you say there could be a dozen reasons why Schalke have not shown interest...i think it is because Wagner knows he is a waste of space...how is that for bias? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:06:21 GMT 1
No it’s not. What does anyone know here about Schalke other than what you can glean at face value. The actual truth about their budget, their squad, their needs etc, you have no idea. For all you know he did come in and got rejected. For all you know he has a contractual restriction from his compromise with the club. The fact is that you and the maker of the ‘salient point’ don’t know. This is confirmation bias at work. Does the fact that Wagner hasn’t signed anyone from Town mean that every player here is shit / bad attitude / whatever else negative that is on your mind? Also good points. I accept the bias...still no link from anyone of note to Billing though was there? Wagner was not his biggest fan...that was clear. Dont managers return to their old clubs to steal the better players regularly? Schalke have made signings but no approaches at Huddersfield. It was an ideal situation...wantaway top player available cheap and soon. As you say there could be a dozen reasons why Schalke have not shown interest...i think it is because Wagner knows he is a waste of space...how is that for bias? Or they don't need a midfielder. They haven't signed one this window. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:08:36 GMT 1
£15 million also appears out of there price range, looking at what they've spent.
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loadsamoney at him if comes back after we have had another 3M sell on clause pay up, But that's it,,, He fucking gave up,, Back niggles my arse,, 
