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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 1:39:29 GMT 1
I would’ve thought he’d have been despatate for 1 more year in the prem to get amongst the goals. I hope we keep him.
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Post by muffinman on Jul 20, 2018 4:06:09 GMT 1
Ince had a fair few chances on the right. Barely made a difference to his performance whether he played on the left or right IMO however at the time I was screaming for him to be played on the right.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jul 20, 2018 7:16:00 GMT 1
I’ll wait and see
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 20, 2018 7:30:03 GMT 1
Sitting on the fence like a true independent. Bravo!  |
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Post by htfc1908 on Jul 20, 2018 7:35:12 GMT 1
For the RW we had; Ince,Kachunga,Quaner,Scannell
and that's the order I'd put them in, Sean's gone, Collin would have been next for me if we're bringing someone better in.
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Post by explorer on Jul 20, 2018 8:04:54 GMT 1
For the RW we had; Ince,Kachunga,Quaner,Scannell and that's the order I'd put them in, Sean's gone, Collin would have been next for me if we're bringing someone better in. I agree with your pecking / sales order. Unfortunately that would depend on somebody actually wanting to buy Col. Despite (or maybe because of) his "Calamity Collin" playing style, I can't help liking the lad. But he wouldn't be top of my wanted list if I was looking to buy a winger. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 20, 2018 8:23:30 GMT 1
I could see a couple more leaving. Im sure quanner would be for sale if someone came in for him.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 20, 2018 9:12:59 GMT 1
For the RW we had; Ince,Kachunga,Quaner,Scannell and that's the order I'd put them in, Sean's gone, Collin would have been next for me if we're bringing someone better in. I agree re Quaner, he should be nowhere near a Premier league squad, league one player |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 20, 2018 11:37:31 GMT 1
For the RW we had; Ince,Kachunga,Quaner,Scannell and that's the order I'd put them in, Sean's gone, Collin would have been next for me if we're bringing someone better in. I agree re Quaner, he should be nowhere near a Premier league squad, league one player Look at all these s**t League 1 players with the same number of assists as Col.... Highest Town Player too..... Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang André Ayew Ryan Bertrand Emre Can Tom Carroll Cesc Fàbregas Eden Hazard José Holebas Sead Kolašinac Alexandre Lacazette Harry Maguire Davy Pröpper Collin Quaner Richarlison Ashley Young |
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Post by est1908 on Jul 20, 2018 11:39:55 GMT 1
I agree re Quaner, he should be nowhere near a Premier league squad, league one player Look at all these s**t League 1 players with the same number of assists as Col.... Highest Town Player too..... Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang André Ayew Ryan Bertrand Emre Can Tom Carroll Cesc Fàbregas Eden Hazard José Holebas Sead Kolašinac Alexandre Lacazette Harry Maguire Davy Pröpper Collin Quaner Richarlison Ashley Young Good work Bigtruck….  |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 20, 2018 11:59:46 GMT 1
I really like Ince but the reason he isn’t quite Prem standard is the fact that (like one or two others) he lacks both the physicality and ‘deceit’ to play at that level. You can get away with lacking physicality if you know how to ‘buy’ a free kick a la VLP but you can’t get away with both, sadly.
I’ve been really impressed with his fitness, work rate and the way he comes across in media interviews. He would go with my thanks and very best wishes.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 20, 2018 12:11:02 GMT 1
As an all round player Ince has a lot to his game, and all his attributes deliver in the Championship. The problem he has in the Premier League is none of his attributes are quite good enough to be effective. Not quite fast enough, not strong on the ball and needs too many chances. The debate over whether Quaner or Ince is worth keeping is an interesting one, because pound for pound Ince is a far better player (not even debatable) but Quaner has the pace to be effective and cause damage. Its a great and Premier League attribute that he has got into so many shooting opportunities, whatever anyone says about the rest of his game. Its pretty unfathomable why he couldn't convert more of them in to goals - I cant see it as a Premier League thing against a Championship thing. He should have scored at least 10 and be worth £20 million! |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 20, 2018 13:19:05 GMT 1
I agree re Quaner, he should be nowhere near a Premier league squad, league one player Look at all these s**t League 1 players with the same number of assists as Col.... Highest Town Player too..... Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang André Ayew Ryan Bertrand Emre Can Tom Carroll Cesc Fàbregas Eden Hazard José Holebas Sead Kolašinac Alexandre Lacazette Harry Maguire Davy Pröpper Collin Quaner Richarlison Ashley Young I don't care about stats pal, if you think he's a Premier league footballer then fair enough. In my opinion he isn't. Are you really comparing him to the above in terms of ability ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:49:57 GMT 1
As an all round player Ince has a lot to his game, and all his attributes deliver in the Championship. The problem he has in the Premier League is none of his attributes are quite good enough to be effective. Not quite fast enough, not strong on the ball and needs too many chances. The debate over whether Quaner or Ince is worth keeping is an interesting one, because pound for pound Ince is a far better player (not even debatable) but Quaner has the pace to be effective and cause damage. Its a great and Premier League attribute that he has got into so many shooting opportunities, whatever anyone says about the rest of his game. Its pretty unfathomable why he couldn't convert more of them in to goals - I cant see it as a Premier League thing against a Championship thing. He should have scored at least 10 and be worth £20 million! I think it’s pretty fathomable. He’s not quite got the ability and needs too much time, which results in shooting opportunities getting snuffed out by a block or tackle before he’s got his body shape sorted for a good attempt. A lot of of the time when he’s carried the ball into shooting positions, he’s been stretching for it because his close control and first touch is not really up to Premier League standard, so again, he’s in the positions but can’t get clean good efforts away. Shame, as he’s obviously a decent player, and one who would never have come to Town as a Championship Club...always kind of had the feeling he was brought in (like a few others) to cover the most likely outcome of us getting relegated straight away and using the opportunity of being in the Premier League as a way of more easier building a decent Championship squad. He’s a better player than Quaner, but for me I’d rather have Quaner available at this level than Ince....Ince’s “not quite good enough” just results in predictability, which is easy to play against, Quaners odd style, interspersed with him actually being shit hot quick over short distances, and an ability to actually look up and pick out players in a crowded box (if he gets the time to do so), makes him the player you’d least want to play against if you were a Premier League left back. Funny how it works out....Ince would probably score and make 20 goals in League 1 for example, whereas Quaner would probably still come across as being a bit hopeless! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 20, 2018 14:05:48 GMT 1
Its a great and Premier League attribute that he has got into so many shooting opportunities, whatever anyone says about the rest of his game. Its pretty unfathomable why he couldn't convert more of them in to goals - I cant see it as a Premier League thing against a Championship thing. He should have scored at least 10 and be worth £20 million! I think it’s pretty fathomable. He’s not quite got the ability and needs too much time, which results in shooting opportunities getting snuffed out by a block or tackle before he’s got his body shape sorted for a good attempt. A lot of of the time when he’s carried the ball into shooting positions, he’s been stretching for it because his close control and first touch is not really up to Premier League standard, so again, he’s in the positions but can’t get clean good efforts away. Shame, as he’s obviously a decent player, and one who would never have come to Town as a Championship Club...always kind of had the feeling he was brought in (like a few others) to cover the most likely outcome of us getting relegated straight away and using the opportunity of being in the Premier League as a way of more easier building a decent Championship squad. He’s a better player than Quaner, but for me I’d rather have Quaner available at this level than Ince....Ince’s “not quite good enough” just results in predictability, which is easy to play against, Quaners odd style, interspersed with him actually being shit hot quick over short distances, and an ability to actually look up and pick out players in a crowded box (if he gets the time to do so), makes him the player you’d least want to play against if you were a Premier League left back. Funny how it works out....Ince would probably score and make 20 goals in League 1 for example, whereas Quaner would probably still come across as being a bit hopeless! I don't think that's the case. He is getting into position and flashing most of the shots over and wide. Plenty of time to get his shots away. From those positions he was slotting them in the Championships. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 20, 2018 14:08:25 GMT 1
Look at all these s**t League 1 players with the same number of assists as Col.... Highest Town Player too..... Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang André Ayew Ryan Bertrand Emre Can Tom Carroll Cesc Fàbregas Eden Hazard José Holebas Sead Kolašinac Alexandre Lacazette Harry Maguire Davy Pröpper Collin Quaner Richarlison Ashley Young I don't care about stats pal, if you think he's a Premier league footballer then fair enough. In my opinion he isn't. Are you really comparing him to the above in terms of ability ? No What i'm saying is, its ok to have an opinion. BUT it has to be an informed opinion, not just he's shit cos i said so. To suggest Col is a league 1 player is ridiculous. Every player has a job to do. And IMO Colin has done the job he's been asked. Of course i'm not comparing him directly to Eden Hazard etc. But it does show how opinion can be distorted. Look at Stewart Downing.... Went a whole season for Liverpool without a goal or an assist and made the England Squad.... I just think its a little disrespectful to not only Col but also DW who brought him in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 14:16:00 GMT 1
I think it’s pretty fathomable. He’s not quite got the ability and needs too much time, which results in shooting opportunities getting snuffed out by a block or tackle before he’s got his body shape sorted for a good attempt. A lot of of the time when he’s carried the ball into shooting positions, he’s been stretching for it because his close control and first touch is not really up to Premier League standard, so again, he’s in the positions but can’t get clean good efforts away. Shame, as he’s obviously a decent player, and one who would never have come to Town as a Championship Club...always kind of had the feeling he was brought in (like a few others) to cover the most likely outcome of us getting relegated straight away and using the opportunity of being in the Premier League as a way of more easier building a decent Championship squad. He’s a better player than Quaner, but for me I’d rather have Quaner available at this level than Ince....Ince’s “not quite good enough” just results in predictability, which is easy to play against, Quaners odd style, interspersed with him actually being shit hot quick over short distances, and an ability to actually look up and pick out players in a crowded box (if he gets the time to do so), makes him the player you’d least want to play against if you were a Premier League left back. Funny how it works out....Ince would probably score and make 20 goals in League 1 for example, whereas Quaner would probably still come across as being a bit hopeless! I don't think that's the case. He is getting into position and flashing most of the shots over and wide. Plenty of time to get his shots away. From those positions he was slotting them in the Championships. Time to get shots away, but snatched at because he’s being closed down more than he was in Championship. Watch his historic “highlights”, he scores a lot of screamers with very little defensive pressure....those circumstances simply don’t exist in the Premier League. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 15:16:07 GMT 1
£10 million....ouch! (the Ince wince.....).
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 20, 2018 15:24:53 GMT 1
I don't think that's the case. He is getting into position and flashing most of the shots over and wide. Plenty of time to get his shots away. From those positions he was slotting them in the Championships. Time to get shots away, but snatched at because he’s being closed down more than he was in Championship. Watch his historic “highlights”, he scores a lot of screamers with very little defensive pressure....those circumstances simply don’t exist in the Premier League. You might be right but my viewing was that he got a lot of shots off in the PL under no particular pressure and they went high or wide. No doubt it's easier the Championship but the difference between PL and Championship wasn't enough to explain it - for me! |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 20, 2018 15:43:49 GMT 1
I think confidence in front of goal was sadly lacking this year for Ince. If he'd have got a couple of goals early, there was nothing wrong with some of his early season strikes at a well positioned keeper or when rattling the bar at West Ham, I think we'd have seen a different player with composure in front of goal but the chances came and went as he snatched at some and went for power rather than placement or vice versa when the other option would have been the better choice.
His belief in front of goal ebbed away with each effort missed, I'm sure he questioned himself on his ability to play at this level which can never be a good thing, personally though I think we would have seen a calmer, more assured Ince in front of goal this coming season but I guess the 8 figure offer from Stoke will make that just a moot point.
He goes with my best wishes and thanks for that Watford winner which more than paid back any fee issues some may have had with him.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 20, 2018 15:51:47 GMT 1
Despite reports of him being on his way for a medical, the club just tweeted a pic of the squad heading to this evening's training session and Tom is definitely there in the background.
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Post by deightonrifle on Jul 20, 2018 16:06:30 GMT 1
I think confidence in front of goal was sadly lacking this year for Ince. If he'd have got a couple of goals early, there was nothing wrong with some of his early season strikes at a well positioned keeper or when rattling the bar at West Ham, I think we'd have seen a different player with composure in front of goal but the chances came and went as he snatched at some and went for power rather than placement or vice versa when the other option would have been the better choice. His belief in front of goal ebbed away with each effort missed, I'm sure he questioned himself on his ability to play at this level which can never be a good thing, personally though I think we would have seen a calmer, more assured Ince in front of goal this coming season but I guess the 8 figure offer from Stoke will make that just a moot point. He goes with my best wishes and thanks for that Watford winner which more than paid back any fee issues some may have had with him. Agree with this. I saw it in 4 phases. 1. In pre-season he He couldn't stop scoring. 2. Then in the early season he was getting into good positions and getting decent strikes in which were blocked, saved or just missed - confidence started to fade a bit. 3. When the goals didn't come he started to get a bit anxious, rushing shots or taking too much time working onto his left and didn't really look like scoring 4. Eventually he stopped getting into scoring positions much at all. As has been said a goal or two early doors could have been a real boost and his season might have developed differently. The way Town used him perhaps didn't help. He doesn't usually play a big part in the build up but likes to emerge at the end of the move as the guy who finishes things off, which I don't think his role(s) with us allowed him too much scope to do. He showed a high work rate and kept a good shape on his side of the pitch when the opposition got the ball, but these responsibilities perhaps constrained his preferred game. I would like him to stay and have another crack personally, though I understand if the club's finances dictate otherwise. If he were to leave, it would be with very good wishes from me. |
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jul 20, 2018 16:30:18 GMT 1
I hope ince stays,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 17:05:08 GMT 1
Ince:
Appearances 48 (Some as a sub)
Shots 86
Shots on target 26
Goals 3
Shooting accuracy% 30%
Hit woodwork 2
Big chances created 4
Crosses 84
Cross accuracy% 26%
Through balls 2
Accurate long balls 23
I am not entirely sure what a 'Big chance' is but RVLP only created 1 The only reason I post this is, as others have said, he gets in good positions and gets shots away. He has a full Premier League season under his belt with this squad now and I hope to see him improve on the goals this time around. His defensive stats are not bad either. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 20, 2018 21:11:22 GMT 1
Ince:
Appearances 48 (Some as a sub)
Shots 86
Shots on target 26
Goals 3
Shooting accuracy% 30%
Hit woodwork 2
Big chances created 4
Crosses 84
Cross accuracy% 26%
Through balls 2
Accurate long balls 23
I am not entirely sure what a 'Big chance' is but RVLP only created 1 The only reason I post this is, as others have said, he gets in good positions and gets shots away. He has a full Premier League season under his belt with this squad now and I hope to see him improve on the goals this time around. His defensive stats are not bad either. Have you watched him in a lot of games ? Personally I think stats are misleading . I hope I’m wrong ( if he stays ) but waiting for his finishing to improve might be a long wait .. he visibly wilted and lost confidence as the season went on .. true it’s only a season and maybe he “deserves longer “ . But I doubt Wagner can guarantee him first team football .. ditto for col and vlp to be honest .. I’d be surprised if any of them started 20 games next season tbh |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 21:47:53 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 22:27:15 GMT 1
Ince:
Appearances 48 (Some as a sub)
Shots 86
Shots on target 26
Goals 3
Shooting accuracy% 30%
Hit woodwork 2
Big chances created 4
Crosses 84
Cross accuracy% 26%
Through balls 2
Accurate long balls 23
I am not entirely sure what a 'Big chance' is but RVLP only created 1 The only reason I post this is, as others have said, he gets in good positions and gets shots away. He has a full Premier League season under his belt with this squad now and I hope to see him improve on the goals this time around. His defensive stats are not bad either. Have you watched him in a lot of games ? Personally I think stats are misleading . I hope I’m wrong ( if he stays ) but waiting for his finishing to improve might be a long wait .. he visibly wilted and lost confidence as the season went on .. true it’s only a season and maybe he “deserves longer “ . But I doubt Wagner can guarantee him first team football .. ditto for col and vlp to be honest .. I’d be surprised if any of them started 20 games next season tbh It depends how well they play. If Ince hits a run of form he will play. I started comparing his stats with RVLP's but it gets too difficult with them playing a different number of games, sub appearances, etc. I think we had huge expectations when Ince arrived and he really wanted to succeed. The pressure last season did get to him, especially after talk of him failing previously when playing at this level. I do agree he was the nearly man last season but Jordan Rhodes struggled at first. I would really like to see him get another season to see if he can achieve his obvious potential. |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jul 20, 2018 22:53:40 GMT 1
Reports suggest Ince to complete move to Stoke this weekend, odd considering he is still in Germany training with us today. |
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Post by E4b on Jul 20, 2018 23:20:53 GMT 1
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Post by Mr Grimsdale on Jul 22, 2018 8:36:45 GMT 1
He’s off
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