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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2019 11:00:34 GMT 1
It's well enough publicised why he doesn't wear a poppy and people who don't at least understand his reasons need to do some learning, there are 14 reasons that come to mind why a man from Derry doesn't give the same meaning to a poppy as someone from Huddersfield or Stoke does. Let's not pretend that people in the crowd threw stuff at him last year because he did a bad tackle. In general I think it's pretty rich that the usual suspects who have such strong opinions about McClean are the ones who in other cases just want to 'keep politics out of football.' On a note that should be considered separately, he's a dirty bastard and has a lot of previous for dangerous play. I'll copy and paste this one when it comes up again next year. There are people on this board who still deny the shooting of unarmed teenagers fleeing the scene by British soldiers even took place so it’s no wonder there’s so many McClean haters amongst thick as fuck football fans. Last year’s performance from town fans in the kilner was a fucking disgrace. The british army was at war with the IRA. innocent people got killed in the crossfire.. Thats what happens in wars.. People die.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:06:35 GMT 1
There are people on this board who still deny the shooting of unarmed teenagers fleeing the scene by British soldiers even took place so it’s no wonder there’s so many McClean haters amongst thick as fuck football fans. Last year’s performance from town fans in the kilner was a fucking disgrace. The british army was at war with the IRA. innocent people got killed in the crossfire.. Thats what happens in wars.. People die.. Yeah man that’s not what happened in the Bogside in ‘72. Unless the British army personnel’s recent accounts are lies and they’re just trying to get their ex colleagues prosecuted out of spite? These are accepted facts of what was a war crime. There are still crimes within wars. Just a glance at wiki will take your understanding on a bit: Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[1] was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians during a protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[2] Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[3][4] All of those shot were Catholics. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2019 11:17:15 GMT 1
The british army was at war with the IRA. innocent people got killed in the crossfire.. Thats what happens in wars.. People die.. Yeah man that’s not what happened in the Bogside in ‘72. Unless the British army personnel’s recent accounts are lies and they’re just trying to get their ex colleagues prosecuted out of spite? These are accepted facts of what was a war crime. There are still crimes within wars. Just a glance at wiki will take your understanding on a bit: Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[1] was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians during a protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[2] Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[3][4] All of those shot were Catholics. like i said bro.. Wartime .. people die.. You gonna make a list of all the innocents who were tortured and murdered by the IRA? Its in the past.. Leave it there.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:21:28 GMT 1
Yeah man that’s not what happened in the Bogside in ‘72. Unless the British army personnel’s recent accounts are lies and they’re just trying to get their ex colleagues prosecuted out of spite? These are accepted facts of what was a war crime. There are still crimes within wars. Just a glance at wiki will take your understanding on a bit: Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[1] was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians during a protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[2] Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[3][4] All of those shot were Catholics. like i said bro.. Wartime .. people die.. You gonna make a list of all the innocents who were tortured and murdered by the IRA? Its in the past.. Leave it there.. Not acceptable man. All those guilty of crimes of war should be held responsible. Just because not all are caught (Ariel Sharon- the greatest state terrorist never punished & many like him) but those who are guilty and identified need to face justice. Murder still exists in war and Para 1 group contained a lot of murderers in their ranks. McClean hasn’t forgotten. He had family members there that day. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2019 11:27:48 GMT 1
like i said bro.. Wartime .. people die.. You gonna make a list of all the innocents who were tortured and murdered by the IRA? Its in the past.. Leave it there.. Not acceptable man. All those guilty of crimes of war should be held responsible. Just because not all are caught (Ariel Sharon- the greatest state terrorist never punished & many like him) but those who are guilty and identified need to face justice. Murder still exists in war and Para 1 group contained a lot of murderers in their ranks. McClean hasn’t forgotten. He had family members there that day. Right👍 |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 28, 2019 11:38:44 GMT 1
Didn’t want to start a new thread... Anyone see the left ankle injury to Ryan Shawcross in Stoke’s friendly yesterday; looked a very nasty one. Can’t see him playing this season so no facing them long throw-ins for us... I watched the game as it was free on Leicester's YouTube channel. Horrible. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 28, 2019 11:39:42 GMT 1
like i said bro.. Wartime .. people die.. You gonna make a list of all the innocents who were tortured and murdered by the IRA? Its in the past.. Leave it there.. Not acceptable man. All those guilty of crimes of war should be held responsible. Just because not all are caught (Ariel Sharon- the greatest state terrorist never punished & many like him) but those who are guilty and identified need to face justice. Murder still exists in war and Para 1 group contained a lot of murderers in their ranks. McClean hasn’t forgotten. He had family members there that day. But if McClean has a problem with the British Army isn't it a bit much that he chooses to earn a living here and in so doing pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax to the British Government who will use some of this to fund the armed forces. If he wants to make a stance against the British it would seem better to do so while plying his trade either back in Ireland or from any of the worldwide leagues that exist, of course that would almost certainly mean that he personally doesn't earn as much but that's part of the price of having principles isn't it. At present he seems like one of those "mad mullahs" on Hyde Park Corner, preaching how awful the West is whilst living here. IMO. One last point, nobody is saying innocent men, woman and children should be shot down but if after a number of years we decide its best for everyone if we have an amnesty for everybody involved but then go after one side anyway just seems wrong to me, let's release this convicted murderer to make room for a former solider ? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2019 12:21:32 GMT 1
Didn’t want to start a new thread... Anyone see the left ankle injury to Ryan Shawcross in Stoke’s friendly yesterday; looked a very nasty one. Can’t see him playing this season so no facing them long throw-ins for us... Tbf he was absolutely terrible the last time we played Stoke. He was a liability. Plus what goes around comes around for him. He’s committed some appealing fouls in his time. Appealing ? You liked them then 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 12:23:32 GMT 1
Not acceptable man. All those guilty of crimes of war should be held responsible. Just because not all are caught (Ariel Sharon- the greatest state terrorist never punished & many like him) but those who are guilty and identified need to face justice. Murder still exists in war and Para 1 group contained a lot of murderers in their ranks. McClean hasn’t forgotten. He had family members there that day. But if McClean has a problem with the British Army isn't it a bit much that he chooses to earn a living here and in so doing pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax to the British Government who will use some of this to fund the armed forces. If he wants to make a stance against the British it would seem better to do so while plying his trade either back in Ireland or from any of the worldwide leagues that exist, of course that would almost certainly mean that he personally doesn't earn as much but that's part of the price of having principles isn't it. At present he seems like one of those "mad mullahs" on Hyde Park Corner, preaching how awful the West is whilst living here. IMO. One last point, nobody is saying innocent men, woman and children should be shot down but if after a number of years we decide its best for everyone if we have an amnesty for everybody involved but then go after one side anyway just seems wrong to me, let's release this convicted murderer to make room for a former solider ? There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 12:25:12 GMT 1
Tbf he was absolutely terrible the last time we played Stoke. He was a liability. Plus what goes around comes around for him. He’s committed some appealing fouls in his time. Appealing ? You liked them then 🤣 Well I must admit I don’t mind the odd cruncher but hasn’t Shawcross broken someone’s leg before? He certainly one who can’t complain if some rough stuff comes back his way- not that I’d wish injury on anyone having had several myself. Unfortunate one- no one else involved. He MUST have had a weakness in that ankle previously. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2019 12:35:00 GMT 1
But if McClean has a problem with the British Army isn't it a bit much that he chooses to earn a living here and in so doing pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax to the British Government who will use some of this to fund the armed forces. If he wants to make a stance against the British it would seem better to do so while plying his trade either back in Ireland or from any of the worldwide leagues that exist, of course that would almost certainly mean that he personally doesn't earn as much but that's part of the price of having principles isn't it. At present he seems like one of those "mad mullahs" on Hyde Park Corner, preaching how awful the West is whilst living here. IMO. One last point, nobody is saying innocent men, woman and children should be shot down but if after a number of years we decide its best for everyone if we have an amnesty for everybody involved but then go after one side anyway just seems wrong to me, let's release this convicted murderer to make room for a former solider ? There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. Oh aye 👍 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2019 12:38:41 GMT 1
Appealing ? You liked them then 🤣 Well I must admit I don’t mind the odd cruncher but hasn’t Shawcross broken someone’s leg before? He certainly one who can’t complain if some rough stuff comes back his way- not that I’d wish injury on anyone having had several myself. Unfortunate one- no one else involved. He MUST have had a weakness in that ankle previously. Aaron Ramsey |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 28, 2019 12:42:37 GMT 1
But if McClean has a problem with the British Army isn't it a bit much that he chooses to earn a living here and in so doing pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax to the British Government who will use some of this to fund the armed forces. If he wants to make a stance against the British it would seem better to do so while plying his trade either back in Ireland or from any of the worldwide leagues that exist, of course that would almost certainly mean that he personally doesn't earn as much but that's part of the price of having principles isn't it. At present he seems like one of those "mad mullahs" on Hyde Park Corner, preaching how awful the West is whilst living here. IMO. One last point, nobody is saying innocent men, woman and children should be shot down but if after a number of years we decide its best for everyone if we have an amnesty for everybody involved but then go after one side anyway just seems wrong to me, let's release this convicted murderer to make room for a former solider ? There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. Correct my is just that my view and if you truly believe "England" is so terrible, then yes, in my view you should. X Addition, I note you seen to have a pride in Yorkshire, so you're ok with Countylism it's just Nationalism you deplore ? |
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Post by Mav on Jul 28, 2019 12:59:58 GMT 1
htfcprideoffucckall....
Quote ‘ Shall I leave England too?’
Yes fucking please!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 19:09:53 GMT 1
There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. Correct my is just that my view and if you truly believe "England" is so terrible, then yes, in my view you should. X Addition, I note you seen to have a pride in Yorkshire, so you're ok with Countylism it's just Nationalism you deplore ? I do believe in regional devolution as it happens, especially in terms of tax revenues and state investment. |
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Post by buckers on Jul 28, 2019 19:16:12 GMT 1
But if McClean has a problem with the British Army isn't it a bit much that he chooses to earn a living here and in so doing pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax to the British Government who will use some of this to fund the armed forces. If he wants to make a stance against the British it would seem better to do so while plying his trade either back in Ireland or from any of the worldwide leagues that exist, of course that would almost certainly mean that he personally doesn't earn as much but that's part of the price of having principles isn't it. At present he seems like one of those "mad mullahs" on Hyde Park Corner, preaching how awful the West is whilst living here. IMO. One last point, nobody is saying innocent men, woman and children should be shot down but if after a number of years we decide its best for everyone if we have an amnesty for everybody involved but then go after one side anyway just seems wrong to me, let's release this convicted murderer to make room for a former solider ? There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. You deplore nationalism, but are making a case defending the IRA? A group of men that were fighting for a united ireland? I’d say that falls under nationalism. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 19:23:26 GMT 1
There are prosecutions ongoing on both sides. Including this murderer: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/top-lawyer-hired-to-bring-stakeknife-ira-informer-to-justiceIn this country you no longer have to swear allegiance to the crown in order to live here. He’s made a lot of money for British clubs in transfer fees and performances on the pitch. He’ll have a lot of fans of his play so what his political stance should not affect where he works. I despise the British army- historically and for what it stands for. I deplore nationalism and I loathe the thieving royal family. Shall I leave England too? Your prescriptive view of what people should think in order to work here is just that- your view. You deplore nationalism, but are making a case defending the IRA? A group of men that were fighting for a united ireland? I’d say that falls under nationalism. Where have I made a case for defending the IRA? I just pointed out that people are allowed to not support the poppy when their NON IRA family were murdered by the British army whilst running away or helping the wounded. Above I’ve quoted a campaign to get a leader of the IRA prosecuted for similar war crimes, which I support. I believe in the Geneva convention. Prosecution for ALL perpetrators of war crimes be it by the state or by the opposition. |
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