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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 21:10:23 GMT 1
I don't like giving our players stick but Malone is awful. I think you're being slightly generous in your assessment there |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 21:11:09 GMT 1
Ok our players might not be good enough but another wank performance in a must win game , we looked like Pussys palace the Terriers . Going down with a whimper no way can that team of bottlers get another point we pulled out of a lot of tackles today.. the ones we were not second to by some distance anyway.. moonie does not like the hard games.. moochie more like today, mooching here and there whilst wasting our best chance.. mooy is more than a yard off the pace and half a stone ish over the weight? zanka is a great defender until its time to defend without a lot of help.. Ince and vlp together did not beat a man today.. Malone appears to have forgotten how to play at all.. even in our 20 minute 'window' we failed to get anything on or off target that could be construed as a chance.. last week was because they dropped off, this week its another excuse.. we are too slow and far too obvious.. they hit benteke and others with longer balls and it cost us, we ploughed on religiously passing it till we lost it.. as stated before, another in quite a number of 'nothing performances' from the town... we failed to make any impact on the game at all.. if thats acceptable to some then fair enough.. Agree with most of that. The Malone issue bothers me. What does DW see that we don't. I can only think it is the speed he can move with the ball from defence to attack; I think that is an important part of the Wagner philosophy. But Malone's performance today was truly woeful. Trust me, I rarely criticize players but I could not believe what I was seeing today. He pulled out of countless tackles, he avoided making himself available for the ball, he repeatedly lost his bearings and, most unforgivable of all, he ball watched on at least three occasions and did not track runners. At one stage, under another high ball to Benteke, he watched Townsend run 50 yards in anticipation of the flick on. He should have been subbed there and then. You don't have to be a great footballer to do the basics. Unacceptable! |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 17, 2018 21:12:21 GMT 1
I agree with this, I thought we showed the right attitude and endeavour and they just outclassed us. Unfortunately the reality is that at this level, man for man we’re generally not as good as the opposition. This means we have to outwork or outfight them and unfortunately Palace were up for the fight today. If we go down so be it we’ll be much better equipped than when we came up and maybe we’ll rid ourselves of some of the nauseating expectation that some of our ‘fans’ have developed. DW has never shied away from the fact we have to over perform to stay in the Premier League. I can see a bit of nauseating expectation that we would do well in the Championship! No expectations from me Championship wise, loved it there even when we were fighting relegation. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 17, 2018 21:14:28 GMT 1
That was such a disappointing game to sit and watch - no drive, too many mistakes, watching the opposition play far more quicker and skill fully than us, too many players not up for it. Altogether a seriously bad day at the office. I feel more flat and deflated after that loss than I do at not getting the win last week after the battering we gave them. I was hoping for 4 points from these past two games to put us in a healthy posi5ion - that didn't happen 😟 Never one to be too critical of players - but never was I more happier to see the half-time substitution and our left back changed. No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 17, 2018 21:14:43 GMT 1
Thank god for Guineas after
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 17, 2018 21:15:26 GMT 1
DW has never shied away from the fact we have to over perform to stay in the Premier League. I can see a bit of nauseating expectation that we would do well in the Championship! No expectations from me Championship wise, loved it there even when we were fighting relegation. ....but not loving it fighting relegation in the Premier League? From what I've seen I've got the expectation that we can be competitive with most below the top six - despite today. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 17, 2018 21:17:04 GMT 1
That was such a disappointing game to sit and watch - no drive, too many mistakes, watching the opposition play far more quicker and skill fully than us, too many players not up for it. Altogether a seriously bad day at the office. I feel more flat and deflated after that loss than I do at not getting the win last week after the battering we gave them. I was hoping for 4 points from these past two games to put us in a healthy posi5ion - that didn't happen 😟 Never one to be too critical of players - but never was I more happier to see the half-time substitution and our left back changed. No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 17, 2018 21:22:27 GMT 1
No expectations from me Championship wise, loved it there even when we were fighting relegation. ....but not loving it fighting relegation in the Premier League? From what I've seen I've got the expectation that we can be competitive with most below the top six - despite today. It’s been an enjoyable season all in all, great to experience it, ive enjoyed some things but there are some things I haven’t enjoyed such as... Depressingly unwinnable games Wholesale media condecension Unrealistic fan expectations I’m just saying if it happens it won’t be the worse thing in the world for me because I loved watching us in the league below too. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 17, 2018 21:23:35 GMT 1
No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. Not what I saw, it had nothing to do with us not trying hard enough |
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Post by COWleySHED on Mar 17, 2018 21:24:17 GMT 1
That was such a disappointing game to sit and watch - no drive, too many mistakes, watching the opposition play far more quicker and skill fully than us, too many players not up for it. Altogether a seriously bad day at the office. I feel more flat and deflated after that loss than I do at not getting the win last week after the battering we gave them. I was hoping for 4 points from these past two games to put us in a healthy posi5ion - that didn't happen 😟 Never one to be too critical of players - but never was I more happier to see the half-time substitution and our left back changed. No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. No it is not nonsense it is truth. We were far too soft in the tackle and half hearted going forward. |
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Post by kes on Mar 17, 2018 21:26:13 GMT 1
No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. All our players will be facing huge financial losses if we go down. Most won't be snapped up by prem clubs. Palace players won't have had such worries or motivation. |
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Post by KiwiPom on Mar 17, 2018 21:36:51 GMT 1
No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. No it is not nonsense it is truth. We were far too soft in the tackle and half hearted going forward. Zaha might well disagree.. he really got clattered several times towards the end... it looked quite deliberate too, perhaps an attempt to put him out of action for a few weeks. N.B. I hit the like button by mistake  ( |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 21:38:29 GMT 1
No it is not nonsense it is truth. We were far too soft in the tackle and half hearted going forward. Zaha might well disagree.. he really got clattered several times towards the end... it looked quite deliberate too, perhaps an attempt to put him out of action for a few weeks. N.B. I hit the like button by mistake ( No one clattered Zara at all today, that was part of the problem. |
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Post by KiwiPom on Mar 17, 2018 21:40:56 GMT 1
Examiner player ratings:
Seems pretty accurate from what I saw on Bein Sports coverage.
Jonas Lossl
Made a brilliant save to deny James Tomkins, who slotted home the rebound. - 7
Scott Malone
Didn’t gel with Tom Ince on the left. - 5
Christopher Schindler
Battled well at the back against the physical Christian Benteke. - 6
Mathias ‘Zanka’ Jorgensen
Really poorly-timed tackle to gift Palace a penalty and take the game out of reach for Town. - 4
Florent Hadergjonaj
Kept Wilfried Zaha quiet all game and got forward well. - 7 ( MOTM )
Jonathan Hogg
Did his best to lead the team by example, but couldn’t take Town to victory. - 6
Aaron Mooy
Passing didn’t quite click for the usually precise Australian. - 5
Collin Quaner
Ran well down the right, but lacked creativity. - 6
Alex Pritchard
Couldn’t create as much as Town needed him to on the day. - 6
Tom Ince
A frustrating performance from Ince, who couldn’t capitalise when found in good areas. - 4
Steve Mounie
Should have scored in the first half after Mamadou Sakho’s clearance ws deflected into his path. - 5
Substitutes
Chris Lowe (for Scott Malone, 46’) - Did well on his return from injury. - 6
Rajiv van la Parra (for Tom Ince, 61’) - Fired two shots towards goal after his introduction - something Town were missing. - 7
Elias Kachunga (for Alex Pritchard, 71’) - Brought much-needed energy to the side after his introduction. Great to see him back. - 7
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Post by ACW on Mar 17, 2018 21:43:42 GMT 1
we pulled out of a lot of tackles today.. the ones we were not second to by some distance anyway.. moonie does not like the hard games.. moochie more like today, mooching here and there whilst wasting our best chance.. mooy is more than a yard off the pace and half a stone ish over the weight? zanka is a great defender until its time to defend without a lot of help.. Ince and vlp together did not beat a man today.. Malone appears to have forgotten how to play at all.. even in our 20 minute 'window' we failed to get anything on or off target that could be construed as a chance.. last week was because they dropped off, this week its another excuse.. we are too slow and far too obvious.. they hit benteke and others with longer balls and it cost us, we ploughed on religiously passing it till we lost it.. as stated before, another in quite a number of 'nothing performances' from the town... we failed to make any impact on the game at all.. if thats acceptable to some then fair enough.. Agree with most of that. The Malone issue bothers me. What does DW see that we don't. I can only think it is the speed he can move with the ball from defence to attack; I think that is an important part of the Wagner philosophy. But Malone's performance today was truly woeful. Trust me, I rarely criticize players but I could not believe what I was seeing today. He pulled out of countless tackles, he avoided making himself available for the ball, he repeatedly lost his bearings and, most unforgivable of all, he ball watched on at least three occasions and did not track runners. At one stage, under another high ball to Benteke, he watched Townsend run 50 yards in anticipation of the flick on. He should have been subbed there and then. You don't have to be a great footballer to do the basics. Unacceptable! Malone was very poor today, but he wasn't alone. Ince was equally bad. Seemed unable to control the ball alot of the time, hesitant in possession at others, and looks totally devoid of confidence. |
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Post by KiwiPom on Mar 17, 2018 21:43:53 GMT 1
Zaha might well disagree.. he really got clattered several times towards the end... it looked quite deliberate too, perhaps an attempt to put him out of action for a few weeks. N.B. I hit the like button by mistake ( No one clattered Zara at all today, that was part of the problem. Zaha was taken off late on, but manager Hodgson said it was only a precaution as he had "taken one or two knocks" and the only way for Huddersfield "to stop him was to foul him". BBC Sport. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 21:44:41 GMT 1
No one clattered Zara at all today, that was part of the problem. Zaha was taken off late on, but manager Hodgson said it was only a precaution as he had "taken one or two knocks" and the only way for Huddersfield "to stop him was to foul him". BBC Sport. It's not like Roy to talk absolute horse shit. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 17, 2018 21:45:27 GMT 1
Ok I’ll be honest . That was the performance of a team that’s going to be relegated . Frightened , clueless, and I’m sure I saw Town players bottle out of challenges . Not nice to single players out but Ince and Malone. Oh dear . Ince started the season well and has gradually got worse . I’ve loved the ride but have to say I fear for us after that
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Post by ACW on Mar 17, 2018 21:45:44 GMT 1
Examiner player ratings: Seems pretty accurate from what I saw on Bein Sports coverage. Jonas Lossl Made a brilliant save to deny James Tomkins, who slotted home the rebound. - 7 Scott Malone Didn’t gel with Tom Ince on the left. - 5 Christopher Schindler Battled well at the back against the physical Christian Benteke. - 6 Mathias ‘Zanka’ Jorgensen Really poorly-timed tackle to gift Palace a penalty and take the game out of reach for Town. - 4 Florent Hadergjonaj Kept Wilfried Zaha quiet all game and got forward well. - 7 ( MOTM ) Jonathan Hogg Did his best to lead the team by example, but couldn’t take Town to victory. - 6 Aaron Mooy Passing didn’t quite click for the usually precise Australian. - 5 Collin Quaner Ran well down the right, but lacked creativity. - 6 Alex Pritchard Couldn’t create as much as Town needed him to on the day. - 6 Tom Ince A frustrating performance from Ince, who couldn’t capitalise when found in good areas. - 4 Steve Mounie Should have scored in the first half after Mamadou Sakho’s clearance ws deflected into his path. - 5 Substitutes Chris Lowe (for Scott Malone, 46’) - Did well on his return from injury. - 6 Rajiv van la Parra (for Tom Ince, 61’) - Fired two shots towards goal after his introduction - something Town were missing. - 7 Elias Kachunga (for Alex Pritchard, 71’) - Brought much-needed energy to the side after his introduction. Great to see him back. - 7 Hogg's display was nowhere near a 6. Had his worst game for quite some time. And I'm a big fan of his. |
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Mar 17, 2018 21:48:14 GMT 1
we pulled out of a lot of tackles today.. the ones we were not second to by some distance anyway.. moonie does not like the hard games.. moochie more like today, mooching here and there whilst wasting our best chance.. mooy is more than a yard off the pace and half a stone ish over the weight? zanka is a great defender until its time to defend without a lot of help.. Ince and vlp together did not beat a man today.. Malone appears to have forgotten how to play at all.. even in our 20 minute 'window' we failed to get anything on or off target that could be construed as a chance.. last week was because they dropped off, this week its another excuse.. we are too slow and far too obvious.. they hit benteke and others with longer balls and it cost us, we ploughed on religiously passing it till we lost it.. as stated before, another in quite a number of 'nothing performances' from the town... we failed to make any impact on the game at all.. if thats acceptable to some then fair enough.. Agree with most of that. The Malone issue bothers me. What does DW see that we don't. I can only think it is the speed he can move with the ball from defence to attack; I think that is an important part of the Wagner philosophy. But Malone's performance today was truly woeful. Trust me, I rarely criticize players but I could not believe what I was seeing today. He pulled out of countless tackles, he avoided making himself available for the ball, he repeatedly lost his bearings and, most unforgivable of all, he ball watched on at least three occasions and did not track runners. At one stage, under another high ball to Benteke, he watched Townsend run 50 yards in anticipation of the flick on. He should have been subbed there and then. You don't have to be a great footballer to do the basics. Unacceptable! I thought malone looked knackered after he'd done that thing behind the goal before the game where they run on the spot, spin and run up the cones. think we'll see a few changes to the first team next game thank fuck. |
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Post by wigster on Mar 17, 2018 21:50:43 GMT 1
No drive? Players not up for it? Sorry that’s nonsense, agree with much of the rest but we need to accept we were outplayed on the day despite our effort which I thought was good. Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. It was pretty obvious after, literally, two minutes that Palace were up for it and we weren't - they won the first 50;50 and closed us down immediately. We, as ever, in our programmed and oh so laboured way continue to eventually get it out to the wings ready for the attempted cross to the solitary and massively outnumbered Mounie. Rarely do we get more than a couple of players into the box at any stage of a game. No pace, no variety and no threat. Same result almost weekly - no goals. Agree with the comments about Malone and Ince but VLP lost the ball nearly every time he got it and Quaner, apart from losing the ball for their breakaway second, doesn't look remotely like a Premiership player. You can almost feel the crowd's surprise when he doesn't trip up, but one header (!) which went the wrong way and into the crowd summed up his contribution. Again, and I make no apology for saying it so often , why do we pay our so-called "set play" expert ? They score from a corner, we genuinely never once looked like doing so. I thought when we bought Pritchard he had a reputation for decent free kicks, so why is Mooy still floating them in/hitting the first man every time ? |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Mar 17, 2018 21:51:25 GMT 1
Two examples of "journalism" in the last few posts...
Neither of them worthy of the name. A 6 for Pritchard, really?
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Post by k1man999 on Mar 17, 2018 21:51:34 GMT 1
We were still in it until zanka gave away an absolutely stupid pen. Which really shouldn't have happened as we should have had a free kick
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We are too soft get bullied easily.
Too slow playing it in behind
Number of occasions Flo and mounie made runs both mooy and Hogg turned and passed it back to zanka or schindler.
And when we do play long no one runs off mounie anticipating the flick or miss by the defender.
4 points required in next two games.
Oh and why don't we shoot when it opens up.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 17, 2018 21:52:13 GMT 1
Ok I’ll be honest . That was the performance of a team that’s going to be relegated . Frightened , clueless, and I’m sure I saw Town players bottle out of challenges . Not nice to single players out but Ince and Malone. Oh dear . Ince started the season well and has gradually got worse . I’ve loved the ride but have to say I fear for us after that I wouldn't go quite that far but it's not looking great. Fortunately there are at least three teams below us who are as bad and with fans probably having exactly the same discussions and fears on their forums. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 17, 2018 21:53:18 GMT 1
Ok I’ll be honest . That was the performance of a team that’s going to be relegated . Frightened , clueless, and I’m sure I saw Town players bottle out of challenges . Not nice to single players out but Ince and Malone. Oh dear . Ince started the season well and has gradually got worse . I’ve loved the ride but have to say I fear for us after that All is not lost, but we can't afford to repeat that performance. A massive improvement is needed for the next three games which will probably make or break our season. |
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Post by frankslegs on Mar 17, 2018 22:00:56 GMT 1
Since he was here DW has rigidly stuck to a 4 2 3 1 system.The more fluid teams with more experienced coaches now use 4 3 3 As Hodgson did today.Man unto get stick for the same reason.It starts with pedestrian play at the back with possession stats being mostly in your own half.Matt le Tissier was on Sky saying why Pellegrino was so poor because of this fact.It always leaves one man too many times isolated particularly on a bad day.Burnley have five experienced centre forwards and now always play two.Warnock is doing the same at Cardiff.We have the best two centre forwards we have had in many years and yes they could work together as they are actually different in styles of play.We have had four shots on target in two games against bottom four sides.Lastly we have nobody that can actually cross a ball like Gary Roberts could.That is also killing us.I hope DW is not too bloody minded as his end of game comments sound too nieve.
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Post by ACW on Mar 17, 2018 22:01:16 GMT 1
Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. It was pretty obvious after, literally, two minutes that Palace were up for it and we weren't - they won the first 50;50 and closed us down immediately. We, as ever, in our programmed and oh so laboured way continue to eventually get it out to the wings ready for the attempted cross to the solitary and massively outnumbered Mounie. Rarely do we get more than a couple of players into the box at any stage of a game. No pace, no variety and no threat. Same result almost weekly - no goals. Agree with the comments about Malone and Ince but VLP lost the ball nearly every time he got it and Quaner, apart from losing the ball for their breakaway second, doesn't look remotely like a Premiership player. You can almost feel the crowd's surprise when he doesn't trip up, but one header (!) which went the wrong way and into the crowd summed up his contribution. Again, and I make no apology for saying it so often , why do we pay our so-called "set play" expert ? They score from a corner, we genuinely never once looked like doing so. I thought when we bought Pritchard he had a reputation for decent free kicks, so why is Mooy still floating them in/hitting the first man every time ? I also thought the writing was on the wall after the first 10 minutes. I know you don't like Quaner, but he was better than alot of Town players today. And didn't he set up Pritchard with a great cut back in the first half? Only a great tackle prevented a probable goal. That header into the crowd with no one near him was comical though. Couldn't agree more regarding Mooy and the dead ball taking though. He's poor at taking them when he's playing well so God only knows why he's still taking them when he's struggling. We create so little in open play that we need to make the most of all set pieces. Letting Mooy take them means we invariably waste the opportunity to put a decent ball in the box. |
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Post by worthington on Mar 17, 2018 22:03:25 GMT 1
when you need to attack at home, Hogg and Mooy doesn't work. Williams and Billing does.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 17, 2018 22:06:08 GMT 1
Ok I’ll be honest . That was the performance of a team that’s going to be relegated . Frightened , clueless, and I’m sure I saw Town players bottle out of challenges . Not nice to single players out but Ince and Malone. Oh dear . Ince started the season well and has gradually got worse . I’ve loved the ride but have to say I fear for us after that All is not lost, but we can't afford to repeat that performance. A massive improvement is needed for the next three games which will probably make or break our season. Of course All is not lost . But I thought we were meek today at exactly the time of the season where we needed to be courageous . And Zanka. He’s had a good few weeks imo but what the hell was he doing ? Should have just ushered the guy out he was going nowhere . Ffs I feel like Arterrier walking up Almondbury bank in a snow blizzard |
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Post by ACW on Mar 17, 2018 22:09:30 GMT 1
when you need to attack at home, Hogg and Mooy doesn't work. Williams and Billing does. A shame Williams is out for the rest of the season then. |
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