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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 17, 2018 22:33:38 GMT 1
Why were we outplayed? Perhaps because we had no drive and our players weren't up for it. Again, and I make no apology for saying it so often , why do we pay our so-called "set play" expert ? They score from a corner, we genuinely never once looked like doing so. I thought when we bought Pritchard he had a reputation for decent free kicks, so why is Mooy still floating them in/hitting the first man every time ? As bad as the corner's are, our throw-in's were comical. Mooy and Pritchard both running into each other a couple of times at least. |
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Post by drewden on Mar 17, 2018 22:33:48 GMT 1
Examiner player ratings: Seems pretty accurate from what I saw on Bein Sports coverage. Jonas Lossl Made a brilliant save to deny James Tomkins, who slotted home the rebound. - 7 Scott Malone Didn’t gel with Tom Ince on the left. - 5 Christopher Schindler Battled well at the back against the physical Christian Benteke. - 6 Mathias ‘Zanka’ Jorgensen Really poorly-timed tackle to gift Palace a penalty and take the game out of reach for Town. - 4 Florent Hadergjonaj Kept Wilfried Zaha quiet all game and got forward well. - 7 ( MOTM ) Jonathan Hogg Did his best to lead the team by example, but couldn’t take Town to victory. - 6 Aaron Mooy Passing didn’t quite click for the usually precise Australian. - 5 Collin Quaner Ran well down the right, but lacked creativity. - 6 Alex Pritchard Couldn’t create as much as Town needed him to on the day. - 6 Tom Ince A frustrating performance from Ince, who couldn’t capitalise when found in good areas. - 4 Steve Mounie Should have scored in the first half after Mamadou Sakho’s clearance ws deflected into his path. - 5 Substitutes Chris Lowe (for Scott Malone, 46’) - Did well on his return from injury. - 6 Rajiv van la Parra (for Tom Ince, 61’) - Fired two shots towards goal after his introduction - something Town were missing. - 7 Elias Kachunga (for Alex Pritchard, 71’) - Brought much-needed energy to the side after his introduction. Great to see him back. - 7 Agree with everything. Good report, Ince was shocking. |
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Post by jakeg on Mar 17, 2018 22:42:08 GMT 1
Again, and I make no apology for saying it so often , why do we pay our so-called "set play" expert ? They score from a corner, we genuinely never once looked like doing so. I thought when we bought Pritchard he had a reputation for decent free kicks, so why is Mooy still floating them in/hitting the first man every time ? As bad as the corner's are, our throw-in's were comical. Mooy and Pritchard both running into each other a couple of times at least. I noticed that - they both continually ran into each other's space when trying to make options for the thrower. Back to the training pitch on that one!😁 |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 17, 2018 23:21:13 GMT 1
All is not lost, but we can't afford to repeat that performance. A massive improvement is needed for the next three games which will probably make or break our season. Of course All is not lost . But I thought we were meek today at exactly the time of the season where we needed to be courageous . And Zanka. He’s had a good few weeks imo but what the hell was he doing ? Should have just ushered the guy out he was going nowhere . Ffs I feel like Arterrier walking up Almondbury bank in a snow blizzard It's certainly a tough one to explain - the meekness. My only bit of hope is that even last season, and this, we have recovered from bouts of meekness. We have lost our momentum just when say Newcastle and Brighton have got a bit. Hope DW can reverse that. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 23:30:38 GMT 1
Of course All is not lost . But I thought we were meek today at exactly the time of the season where we needed to be courageous . And Zanka. He’s had a good few weeks imo but what the hell was he doing ? Should have just ushered the guy out he was going nowhere . Ffs I feel like Arterrier walking up Almondbury bank in a snow blizzard It's certainly a tough one to explain - the meekness. My only bit of hope is that even last season, and this, we have recovered from bouts of meekness. We have lost our momentum just when say Newcastle and Brighton have got a bit. Hope DW can reverse that. We should have been bang up for that game today but were well off the pace, which handed the initiative to them immediately. |
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Post by mids on Mar 17, 2018 23:31:15 GMT 1
Pitiful today with no fight or ideas  not helped by our most creative player being subbed off after 70 minutes. I left then. Shoot me. Bet I missed nothing of note Onto Newcastle and everything still in our hands though. |
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Post by townrwe on Mar 17, 2018 23:31:28 GMT 1
Need to play billing. No sharpness in the passes either this week or last. At least billing looks foward and takes on a shot. Hogg was more positive than mooy today. Hogg was terrible today. And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness. Best to worst performers. Lossl schindler hadajonaj (could easily be first) Mounie Zanka Malone Hogg Pritchard Quanner Mooy Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.) |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 17, 2018 23:34:45 GMT 1
I'm sure Rafa & Chris Hughton will be targeting their games v ourselves as the ones that can secure their survival. We just need to go and upset the apple cart, which we've done on more than one occasion...
Beaten by a better side today, buoyed no doubt by the return of their talisman. Zaha is one hell of a player and gives them so many options, so not difficult to see how they struggle without him.
Still all to play for, still in our own hands & still a few teams struggling for form...
Still think we'll be OK, but in the usual Town style, it will be a nerve jangler...
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 17, 2018 23:35:12 GMT 1
It's certainly a tough one to explain - the meekness. My only bit of hope is that even last season, and this, we have recovered from bouts of meekness. We have lost our momentum just when say Newcastle and Brighton have got a bit. Hope DW can reverse that. We should have been bang up for that game today but were well off the pace, which handed the initiative to them immediately. Yes mate - difficult to explain - we should have been max up. Prepared to press them continuously. |
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Post by townrwe on Mar 17, 2018 23:35:27 GMT 1
And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness. Best to worst performers. Lossl schindler hadajonaj (could easily be first) Mounie Zanka Malone Hogg Pritchard Quanner Mooy Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.) In fact ill go one step further and say ince has 7 games to prove hes capable of playing premier league..... because this is definately his last chance.... more so than any of the others. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 23:35:41 GMT 1
And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness. Best to worst performers. Lossl schindler hadajonaj (could easily be first) Mounie Zanka Malone Hogg Pritchard Quanner Mooy Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.) Zanka was terrible. I've got to be honest, I don't rate the guy at all. |
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Post by townrwe on Mar 17, 2018 23:40:15 GMT 1
And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness. Best to worst performers. Lossl schindler hadajonaj (could easily be first) Mounie Zanka Malone Hogg Pritchard Quanner Mooy Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.) Zanka was terrible. I've got to be honest, I don't rate the guy at all. Gave a poor pen away, which he held his hands upto other than that he was decent. Its a massive shame that Hef has been injured or not deemed good enough as he shows the kind of passion we need in games like today. My major critism of zanka is hes too much of a nice boy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 23:50:37 GMT 1
And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness. Best to worst performers. Lossl schindler hadajonaj (could easily be first) Mounie Zanka Malone Hogg Pritchard Quanner Mooy Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.) Zanka was terrible. I've got to be honest, I don't rate the guy at all. Thought he was one of our better ball players first half. Zipped some lovely passes into Flo while his team mates tippy tapped it around aimlessly |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 23:57:05 GMT 1
Zanka was terrible. I've got to be honest, I don't rate the guy at all. Gave a poor pen away, which he held his hands upto other than that he was decent. Its a massive shame that Hef has been injured or not deemed good enough as he shows the kind of passion we need in games like today. My major critism of zanka is hes too much of a nice boy. He came with a reputation of being a bit of a nutter. Not seen that in him at all. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 17, 2018 23:58:05 GMT 1
Zanka was terrible. I've got to be honest, I don't rate the guy at all. Thought he was one of our better ball players first half. Zipped some lovely passes into Flo while his team mates tippy tapped it around aimlessly He passed it pretty well but still got too tight to his man on more than one occasion. |
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Post by denzelwashington on Mar 18, 2018 0:11:13 GMT 1
Palace fan here. I congratulated you on your win at the start of the season. I've always had a soft spot for your team from back in the 70's(long story)!...anyway, keep on fighting and you will stay up, i sincerely hope you do. All the best.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 18, 2018 0:31:58 GMT 1
Palace fan here. I congratulated you on your win at the start of the season. I've always had a soft spot for your team from back in the 70's(long story)!...anyway, keep on fighting and you will stay up, i sincerely hope you do. All the best. Cheers for the encouragement - although Hodgson, the old fox, will no doubt remind you that we're still a point ahead of you. Always had time for him, always remember him turning down the Germany job in 1998(?) to stay at Blackburn, respect. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Mar 18, 2018 0:53:45 GMT 1
Don’t know why we benched VLP and reduced our threat.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Mar 18, 2018 1:04:25 GMT 1
I dont think todays result should overlook that Hodgsons best coaching days are as far behind him as Wengers. No masterclass here today we had too many players falling too far short of their best and thats about it. A scrappy goal off a corner and a pen doesnt suddenly turn a side into worldbeaters. We know we havent been working oppo keepers hard enough over last 2 seasons and its something we can only start to address in the summer. Not many teams at bottom made serious ground on us. West Brom are gonners so now need to be better than just 2 others to stay up.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 18, 2018 1:17:39 GMT 1
I dont think todays result should overlook that Hodgsons best coaching days are as far behind him as Wengers. No masterclass here today we had too many players falling too far short of their best and thats about it. A scrappy goal off a corner and a pen doesnt suddenly turn a side into worldbeaters. We know we havent been working oppo keepers hard enough over last 2 seasons and its something we can only start to address in the summer. Not many teams at bottom made serious ground on us. West Brom are gonners so now need to be better than just 2 others to stay up. Well, the guy has got a helluva CV - though I must admit I don't know too much about him. The very fact they kept us from having barely a shot at goal tells me he knew how to keep us away. Respect where it's due! |
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Post by wigster on Mar 18, 2018 1:28:19 GMT 1
Don’t know why we benched VLP and reduced our threat. Because he produces no end product whatsoever - look at his statistics week after week - they are atrocious. Today when he came on he lost the ball the first three times he got it, had his usual embarrassingly wild shooting and then was a total irrelevance,. If we're relying on him to produce something tangible, in this division or the Championship, we might as well give up. If you look at what our wingers - VLP,Quaner, Ince etc - have actually produced this season, for the amount they've been played - it goes some way to explaining why we are where we are. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 18, 2018 1:37:07 GMT 1
Don’t know why we benched VLP and reduced our threat. Because he produces no end product whatsoever - look at his statistics week after week - they are atrocious. Today when he came on he lost the ball the first three times he got it, had his usual embarrassingly wild shooting and then was a total irrelevance,. If we're relying on him to produce something tangible, in this division or the Championship, we might as well give up. If you look at what our wingers - VLP,Quaner, Ince etc - have actually produced this season, for the amount they've been played - it goes some way to explaining why we are where we are. Still not bad considering.. |
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Post by willo on Mar 18, 2018 1:44:34 GMT 1
That was such a disappointing game to sit and watch - no drive, too many mistakes, watching the opposition play far more quicker and skill fully than us, too many players not up for it. Altogether a seriously bad day at the office. I feel more flat and deflated after that loss than I do at not getting the win last week after the battering we gave them. I was hoping for 4 points from these past two games to put us in a healthy posi5ion - that didn't happen 😟 Never one to be too critical of players - but never was I more happier to see the half-time substitution and our left back changed. I agree 100 per cent with this. Sums up the game perfectly. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 18, 2018 1:53:22 GMT 1
That was such a disappointing game to sit and watch - no drive, too many mistakes, watching the opposition play far more quicker and skill fully than us, too many players not up for it. Altogether a seriously bad day at the office. I feel more flat and deflated after that loss than I do at not getting the win last week after the battering we gave them. I was hoping for 4 points from these past two games to put us in a healthy posi5ion - that didn't happen 😟 Never one to be too critical of players - but never was I more happier to see the half-time substitution and our left back changed. I agree 100 per cent with this. Sums up the game perfectly. Don’t agree at all, we were up for it, we were outplayed. Depressing yes but not for lack of endeavour. We need to take it on the chin and don’t pretend it was something other than a better team wanting it more despite our efforts. |
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Post by mightytj on Mar 18, 2018 2:09:39 GMT 1
I agree 100 per cent with this. Sums up the game perfectly. Don’t agree at all, we were up for it, we were outplayed. Depressing yes but not for TDS lack of endeavour. We need to take it on the chin and don’t pretend it was something other than a better team wanting it more despite our efforts. I normally agree with much of what you say, but not today. Town had less desire, Palace pressed us, we couldn’t cope, too many players weren’t up for today. Very unusual for a Wagner team, but we will bounce back, if I’ve learned anything from a Wagner side, it’s that there are are ‘no limits’ UTT. |
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Post by willo on Mar 18, 2018 2:12:56 GMT 1
Before the start of last Saturday’s game, I (like most) hoped/expected a minimum of 4 points from these 2. The pressure is now on & it really is 50/50 for me as to whether we stay up. The only thing I’m taking some optimism from tonight is that both Stoke & WH are in bad shape but we have to dig a couple of wins out from somewhere. One or two points to make on individual performances after today; Lowe over Malone at LB every day of the week for me, Zanka will be fine whilst ever he has Schindler next to him - if Schinds is sold in the summer, Zanka will definitely miss him next season, unfortunately Ince just hasn’t been able to make the step up from the Championship to the Premier League and has been a big disappointment generally, Collin would never start a game in the Prem for me but as even he doesn’t know what he will do next, great option to have from the bench, what the hell is Mooy still doing taking ineffective free kicks when we now have Pritchard? If we do survive, we will have to bring some quality in during the summer and preferably some with some real Premier League know how, maybe nick the best players from some of those going down.
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Post by golcarexile on Mar 18, 2018 3:12:04 GMT 1
Gave a poor pen away, which he held his hands upto other than that he was decent. Its a massive shame that Hef has been injured or not deemed good enough as he shows the kind of passion we need in games like today. My major critism of zanka is hes too much of a nice boy. He came with a reputation of being a bit of a nutter. Not seen that in him at all. This one has me baffled as well. From what we've seen, Zanka seems to be a thoroughly nice, extremely generous, and polite bloke (even when Laura Ashley forgot to deliver his blinds!). Yep, absolute headcase, right up there with Joey Barton et al. |
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Post by KiwiPom on Mar 18, 2018 5:43:52 GMT 1
Just watched the first 35 minutes again. What stood out was that they were physically stronger all over the pitch and bossed us straight from the kick off. Both Mounie and Hogg were flattened in the first 60 seconds.
As for us a typical move had Flo taking a long throw into their box...Mounie won the header and flicked it on but not one other Town player was in the box to try to take advantage. No wonder Mounie never smiles these days and our goals for tally is so low.
As for corners... when they took them there was terrific movement all through our box - we seemed half hearted by comparison but it may well have been their superior strength and tactics showing through.
Don't think of any of our players would have got into the Palace team.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 18, 2018 7:16:58 GMT 1
when you need to attack at home, Hogg and Mooy doesn't work. Williams and Billing does. Really! It seemed to work OK against Bournemouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:20:45 GMT 1
we just were not up for the fight. they bullied us from the off. the change of ends was a bad sign to start with but as soon as the game kicked off it became fairly obvious we were not at it. they wanted it more.
we looked shell shocked.
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not helped by our most creative player being subbed off after 70 minutes. 
