Palace match thread

[Yorkie]

Mar 18, 2018 1:28:19 GMT 1 wigster said:

Mar 18, 2018 0:53:45 GMT 1 BLUE&WHITE said:

Don’t know why we benched VLP and reduced our threat.

Because he produces no end product whatsoever - look at his statistics week after week - they are atrocious. Today when he came on he lost the ball the first three times he got it, had his usual embarrassingly wild shooting and then was a total irrelevance,. If we're relying on him to produce something tangible, in this division or the Championship, we might as well give up.

If you look at what our wingers - VLP,Quaner, Ince etc - have actually produced this season, for the amount they've been played - it goes some way to explaining why we are where we are.

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

[shawsie]

Having reflected on it, was it a lack of desire and passion, or just that we as a unit had a really bad day.
Hogg and mooy rarely if ever have lacked desire and appetite for work so maybe it was just a very bad day for the team as a whole?
We really were that off colour that I would struggle to give any player more than a 6 out of 10..........and Hogg, mooy, Malone, Ince warranted no more than a 3 or 4.
Very bad day all round, but we go again..........we still have a decent chance given Stokes result, sotons run in and wba are now gone.

[nicko1973]

Need a team of battlers now! Ince? Has a heart the size of a pea.

[detox]

Ince has been a massive waste of money.. But he's not the only one who needs shipping out next season.. Quanar not good enough at this level, Malone another one..My biggest concern is how Mooys return has slowed us down so much..

[KiwiPom]

Mar 18, 2018 8:15:29 GMT 1 nicko1973 said:

Need a team of battlers now! Ince? Has a heart the size of a pea.

Rubbish... utter rubbish

[yappledapple]

Couple of observations:

1. We never tend to play well when kick towards the FMS in the first half. I always worry when we swap at kick-off. Showed again today. Don't know whether it was our choice or there's but for some reason it knocks us off our game.

2. The first half kick off was a shambles - Rambo was still reading the team sheet when we kicked off and they went for the jugular straight away and we seemed to be startled rabbits in the headlights wondering as to why the game had started when all the pre-match stuff was going on. They seriously had a couple of good positive moves into our half in those first few minutes and we were shell-shocked - I know I was surprised at how under the immediate cosh we were. The tempo and tenor of the game seemed to start from the off and we just weren't with it for the following 90.

I'm still depressed this morning - refused to watch MOTD last night because I don't want to relive the game nor listen to patronising pundits slag us off again even if they deem us worthy of any comments at all 😒

[otium (EPBS)]

Mar 17, 2018 15:26:14 GMT 1 Venezuelan Pete said:

Mar 17, 2018 10:12:36 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Bring your winter woollies...more importantly bring your voices....and if the guy next to you is not singing give him a poke!
I am at the ground already
Got 9 Swedish friends over and once the hangovers have worn off (11 hour sesh in L**ds plus the armouries) they have promised to cheer us on to victory! UTT
Your club needs you!!!

Normally prefer a kebab after an 11 hour sesh but each to their own

Peasant....half a dozen lamb chops

[sabailand]

Mar 17, 2018 21:06:16 GMT 1 space hardware said:

I don't like giving our players stick but Malone is awful.

Theres always a scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was mounie, now it seems to be Malaone, he wasnt the reason we didnt beat Swansea and lost yesterday, we`ve been poor as a collective!If we`d have managed a win yesterday he woudnt even have been mentioned!

[Chips Longhorn]

Mar 18, 2018 11:47:54 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Mar 17, 2018 21:06:16 GMT 1 space hardware said:

I don't like giving our players stick but Malone is awful.

Theres always a scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was mounie, now it seems to be Malaone, he wasnt the reason we didnt beat Swansea and lost yesterday, we`ve been poor as a collective!If we`d have managed a win yesterday he woudnt even have been mentioned!

Not sure about that mate. Yes he has become a scapegoat, and it's cringey to hear town fans at the game turn on their own. But he looks a bit out of his depth at present Imo, as does Thomas ince. The lack of converting some really good ball down the left into anything was costly yesterday . Hopefully kongolo back against the Geordies and the rest of the season

[griffa]

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

Mar 18, 2018 1:28:19 GMT 1 wigster said:

Because he produces no end product whatsoever - look at his statistics week after week - they are atrocious. Today when he came on he lost the ball the first three times he got it, had his usual embarrassingly wild shooting and then was a total irrelevance,. If we're relying on him to produce something tangible, in this division or the Championship, we might as well give up.

If you look at what our wingers - VLP,Quaner, Ince etc - have actually produced this season, for the amount they've been played - it goes some way to explaining why we are where we are.

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

Didn't see VLP make a positive contribution to the game, when introduced, apart from giving the ball away, when good attacking positions, 7 to go, we're not down yet! - UTT.

[mightytj]

Mar 18, 2018 11:47:54 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Mar 17, 2018 21:06:16 GMT 1 space hardware said:

I don't like giving our players stick but Malone is awful.

Theres always a scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was mounie, now it seems to be Malaone, he wasnt the reason we didnt beat Swansea and lost yesterday, we`ve been poor as a collective!If we`d have managed a win yesterday he woudnt even have been mentioned!

He’s not great though, is he?

[Deleted]

Can people stop with this nonsense that we played in the wrong direction

We beat Bournemouth 4-1 playing the same way

[Essex Terrier]

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

Mar 18, 2018 1:28:19 GMT 1 wigster said:

Because he produces no end product whatsoever - look at his statistics week after week - they are atrocious. Today when he came on he lost the ball the first three times he got it, had his usual embarrassingly wild shooting and then was a total irrelevance,. If we're relying on him to produce something tangible, in this division or the Championship, we might as well give up.

If you look at what our wingers - VLP,Quaner, Ince etc - have actually produced this season, for the amount they've been played - it goes some way to explaining why we are where we are.

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

I like VLP and can see what he brings to the team.

However....

He does not take on players and certainly doesn't ever beat a man.

He'd be in my side, but don't credit him with stuff he doesn't do.

Yesterday was not his fault, mind. On another day we'd have scored at least one, but we just didn't seem to be quite "on it"

[goodshot (FGS)]

Mar 18, 2018 12:03:41 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

I like VLP and can see what he brings to the team.

However....

He does not take on players and certainly doesn't ever beat a man.

He'd be in my side, but don't credit him with stuff he doesn't do.

Yesterday was not his fault, mind. On another day we'd have scored at least one, but we just didn't seem to be quite "on it"

What he has done in the past, but which has dropped off a bit, is his ability to carry the ball forward. That's what Zaha gives to Palace. When it's not there you miss it a lot.

Not a criticism of Pritchard, but we badly miss that ability of Brown or Palmer to receive the ball from midfielders or defenders, roll around and carry the ball towards the opposition box. If we survive we need to address this.

[yappledapple]

Mar 18, 2018 12:02:33 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

Can people stop with this nonsense that we played in the wrong direction

We beat Bournemouth 4-1 playing the same way

One snowflake ❄️...

[Deleted]

hogg and mooy are too similar and fall into the same patterns of play. my old man was shouting for us to put billing on and that may have helped.

2 weeks off now. every game left is a cup final.

[Yorkie]

Mar 18, 2018 12:03:41 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

I like VLP and can see what he brings to the team.

However....

He does not take on players and certainly doesn't ever beat a man.

He'd be in my side, but don't credit him with stuff he doesn't do.

Yesterday was not his fault, mind. On another day we'd have scored at least one, but we just didn't seem to be quite "on it"

So when he skinned 2 players against West Brom then Foster saved well with his feet? He takes on players all the time that’s why people bizarrely get annoyed with him cos yeah he doesn’t always get passed them.
He’s not perfect, far from it, but no one in the squad is. We are a much weaker team with him missing us all I’m saying.

[ACW]

Mar 18, 2018 11:51:04 GMT 1 griffa said:

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

Didn't see VLP make a positive contribution to the game, when introduced, apart from giving the ball away, when good attacking positions, 7 to go, we're not down yet! - UTT.

VLP had our only shot on target that I can remember. And attempted another that went wide. Clutching at straws I know, but in the context of that performance, they have to seen as positives. By the time he came on the pattern of the game was long established and its hard to play well when the rest of the team are struggling so badly.

The bottom line with VLP is this: for all his frustrating traits we are still a better team with him on the pitch. Yes, he rarely provides a good end product - but who in our team does? He frustrates the hell out of me as much as the next man, but he is the best we have at what he does. If we stay up I'd like to see an upgrade, but for now I want to see him in the team.

[ACW]

Mar 18, 2018 12:03:41 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Mar 18, 2018 7:31:18 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

VLP comes on, we get our only shot on target.
VLP comes on, yes we still give the ball away (as the whole team had been doing) but we are now losing it at the edge of the opposition box rather than 5/10 yards in their half.
It’s amazing how much some people can’t see what VLP provides in terms of getting us 30 yards further up the field, willing to take people on etc.
If our other attacking players had the balls to take on players and shoot then we might be a bit higher in the table.
I for one was gutted when I saw he wasn’t starting and unsuprisingly Palace took over he game with good pressing and better physicality and Town had no outlet to ease the pressure.
I hope VLP and for that matter Kachunga start the next 7 games.

I like VLP and can see what he brings to the team.

However....

He does not take on players and certainly doesn't ever beat a man.

He'd be in my side, but don't credit him with stuff he doesn't do.

Yesterday was not his fault, mind. On another day we'd have scored at least one, but we just didn't seem to be quite "on it"

VLP does beat men. The trouble is, he wants to beat the same man again and again...

[otium (EPBS)]

Swansea....wrong tactics.
Palace...wrong team.
Worrying about Zaha too much...this led to misguidedly picking Quaner.
Play the best 11...and thats VLP.
The substitutions were woeful...again.

[Headless Chicken]

Mar 17, 2018 23:31:28 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Mar 17, 2018 19:42:18 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Hogg was terrible today.

And still twice as good as mooy was..... and dont get me started on ince.... jesus christ. Felt sorry for malone getting yanked at half time he somewhere in the middle of shiteness.

Best to worst performers.

Lossl
schindler
hadajonaj (could easily be first)
Mounie
Zanka
Malone
Hogg
Pritchard
Quanner
Mooy
Ince (Worst performance i have ever seen in a town shirt, heard boos when he was pulled, says it all. Needs to fucking turn up.)

Ince was dreadful, but I've seen far worse from players up against inferior opposition to them. As ever, context is lost on you.

[tockyterrier]

Mar 18, 2018 2:12:56 GMT 1 willo said:

Before the start of last Saturday’s game, I (like most) hoped/expected a minimum of 4 points from these 2. The pressure is now on & it really is 50/50 for me as to whether we stay up. The only thing I’m taking some optimism from tonight is that both Stoke & WH are in bad shape but we have to dig a couple of wins out from somewhere. One or two points to make on individual performances after today; Lowe over Malone at LB every day of the week for me, Zanka will be fine whilst ever he has Schindler next to him - if Schinds is sold in the summer, Zanka will definitely miss him next season, unfortunately Ince just hasn’t been able to make the step up from the Championship to the Premier League and has been a big disappointment generally, Collin would never start a game in the Prem for me but as even he doesn’t know what he will do next, great option to have from the bench, what the hell is Mooy still doing taking ineffective free kicks when we now have Pritchard? If we do survive, we will have to bring some quality in during the summer and preferably some with some real Premier League know how, maybe nick the best players from some of those going down.

Agree with most of this but think Collin gets unfair criticism. He's got more assists than any other player and probably been on the pitch least. He and Flo were our most effective/dangerous combination yesterday and rarely lost the ball compared to Malone Ince and VLP

[yappledapple]

Mar 18, 2018 15:55:21 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Swansea....wrong tactics.
Palace...wrong team.
Worrying about Zaha too much...this led to misguidedly picking Quaner.
Play the best 11...and thats VLP.
The substitutions were woeful...again.

Under no circumstances can you say the half-time substitution of Lowe for Malone was woeful - inspired IMO. Not that it took the managerial expertise and acumen of DW over all us armchair managers to spot that one.

[otium (EPBS)]

Mar 18, 2018 16:13:23 GMT 1 yappledapple said:

Mar 18, 2018 15:55:21 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Swansea....wrong tactics.
Palace...wrong team.
Worrying about Zaha too much...this led to misguidedly picking Quaner.
Play the best 11...and thats VLP.
The substitutions were woeful...again.

Under no circumstances can you say the half-time substitution of Lowe for Malone was woeful - inspired IMO. Not that it took the managerial expertise and acumen of DW over all us armchair managers to spot that one.

Inspired? A left-back for a left-back when you are 1-0 down at home to a relegation team in a six-pointer?
Wow...you must be really going through the manuals.
I dont recall us doing a great deal down the left flank second-half.
Wagner was just pissed of at Malone for losing it 3 times right in front of him, he was actually having a bit (albeit clumsily) of a go at them.

[otium (EPBS)]

Mar 18, 2018 16:13:23 GMT 1 yappledapple said:

Mar 18, 2018 15:55:21 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Swansea....wrong tactics.
Palace...wrong team.
Worrying about Zaha too much...this led to misguidedly picking Quaner.
Play the best 11...and thats VLP.
The substitutions were woeful...again.

Under no circumstances can you say the half-time substitution of Lowe for Malone was woeful - inspired IMO. Not that it took the managerial expertise and acumen of DW over all us armchair managers to spot that one.

Inspired would have been turning a losing situation in to a win. Inspired would have been substitutions that were not just the simple like-for-like in the same formation.
Inspired would have been going 3-5-2 on the 60th minute..De Poitre, VLP and Kachunga on for Quaner, Ince and Jorgensen... all at the same time.
We were losing and getting outplayed...it needed something radical...not Loewe for Malone.
It was men against boys at times, at home v a relegation threatened team without a win in 7.
Too soft, too negative and NO inspiration from Wagner.

[yappledapple]

Mar 18, 2018 15:55:21 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Swansea....wrong tactics.
Palace...wrong team.
Worrying about Zaha too much...this led to misguidedly picking Quaner.
Play the best 11...and thats VLP.
The substitutions were woeful...again.

Apologies for quoting you again Otium, but I'm just curious, if everyone's fit who would your starting 11 be?

I'm sure, for all on here, the back 5 would be identical, the forward position would be a little debatable as would the two holding midfield players (Hogg, Mooy, Billing, Williams all raise discussion on here) but I would think the majority would go for the same (and I get it could depend on who we're playing), Pritchard would be in there for everyone just behind the forward and then the real debate, as it always seems to be, is who everyone would have in the two forward wide spots - Ince, VLP, Quaner, Kachunga.

Mine would be:
Lossl
Flo
Zanka
Schindler
Kongolo
Mooy
Hogg (but I would debate Williams)
Kachunga
Pritchard
VLP (but I would debate Ince on the left)
Mounie (but I would debate Depoitre)

Subs
Green
Billing
Lowe
Stankovich
Williams
Ince
Depoitre

We haven't necessarily got an abundance of quality players to drop in these positions and we work with both the finances and the squad we have. Should we have brought in another left wide player in January, even on loan - possibly but we don't know all the behind the scenes tooings and froings, particularly money wise and we seem to have put all our eggs in one basket with getting Pritchard to solve a problem that we were all shouting for DW to solve. Is it unfortunate that Ince hasn't been the electric buy on the right we thought he would be - yes it is, but it's not as if he isn't putting a shift in. Did losing Kachunga for so long at a stage where he was just starting to find his feet after a tough few games limit choices - probably. Is Mooy not having quite the season he had last year - no he isn't and it's frustrating because we all love him down at the JSS. Has Kongolo's injury in the past two games come at an absolutely crucial time - almost certainly, the same with Williams.

We could argue until the cows come on here the merits and issues of players and systems but at the end of the day, we all have our own opinions and views, come on here to discuss them positively or negatively, but DW/DH make the decisions and we just go with what we've got and do the best we can.

[terrier70]

Was not easy playing against 12 men though despite the fact we were poor

[yappledapple]

Mar 18, 2018 16:36:45 GMT 1 otium (EPBS) said:

Mar 18, 2018 16:13:23 GMT 1 yappledapple said:

Under no circumstances can you say the half-time substitution of Lowe for Malone was woeful - inspired IMO. Not that it took the managerial expertise and acumen of DW over all us armchair managers to spot that one.

Inspired? A left-back for a left-back when you are 1-0 down at home to a relegation team in a six-pointer?
Wow...you must be really going through the manuals.
I dont recall us doing a great deal down the left flank second-half.
Wagner was just pissed of at Malone for losing it 3 times right in front of him, he was actually having a bit (albeit clumsily) of a go at them.

Perhaps inspired was an over-enthusiastic word however, first half, the majority of our limited attacks were coming from Flo on the right. Second half, Lowe was far more up for the over-lap and getting forward and we created more down the left.

It meant that we were at least trying to create chances from both sides, from both full backs as opposed from one side with the player whe ended up being MoM. Inspired - accept too strong, but it did mean we had more options than the first half.

[hypotenuse]

Mar 18, 2018 7:35:55 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Having reflected on it, was it a lack of desire and passion, or just that we as a unit had a really bad day.
Hogg and mooy rarely if ever have lacked desire and appetite for work so maybe it was just a very bad day for the team as a whole?
We really were that off colour that I would struggle to give any player more than a 6 out of 10..........and Hogg, mooy, Malone, Ince warranted no more than a 3 or 4.
Very bad day all round, but we go again..........we still have a decent chance given Stokes result, sotons run in and wba are now gone.

Good post. I’ve refrained from posting so I could really think about the game. I agree with your 4 players having a bad day and would add Mounié to that list. Really poor error for the crucial first goal, really poor touch with our best chance and didn’t really seem up for the fight. Unforgivable that he was one of at least 3 players who seemed to lack the desire to compete - Palace had all eleven players battling. I would give Lössl more than 6 out of 10.

[yappledapple]

Mar 18, 2018 17:06:27 GMT 1 hypotenuse said:

Mar 18, 2018 7:35:55 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Having reflected on it, was it a lack of desire and passion, or just that we as a unit had a really bad day.
Hogg and mooy rarely if ever have lacked desire and appetite for work so maybe it was just a very bad day for the team as a whole?
We really were that off colour that I would struggle to give any player more than a 6 out of 10..........and Hogg, mooy, Malone, Ince warranted no more than a 3 or 4.
Very bad day all round, but we go again..........we still have a decent chance given Stokes result, sotons run in and wba are now gone.

Good post. I’ve refrained from posting so I could really think about the game. I agree with your 4 players having a bad day and would add Mounié to that list. Really poor error for the crucial first goal, really poor touch with our best chance and didn’t really seem up for the fight. Unforgivable that he was one of at least 3 players who seemed to lack the desire to compete - Palace had all eleven players battling. I would give Lössl more than 6 out of 10.

Good job he was in the right place at the right time to kick it off the line to stop their third second goal though