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Post by Town Duppy on Nov 29, 2018 22:05:20 GMT 1
Lolley cost us fk all though pal, relatively. Plus he had ongoing issues with shin splints - well documented. Besides, I've not written either of those two him off, but I tell you what come the end of the season I'll have a fiver with you that neither of them he has scored more PL goals than Joe. Just for Peco…. You know it, same bloke.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 29, 2018 22:20:09 GMT 1
OK kids, fun over. We can now discuss anything about Joe Lolley here. All other JL threads anchored. Boo! nasty Admin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 22:26:32 GMT 1
Joe Lolley would probably do a job in premier league team who would give him the free reign to not have to defend. Basically the type of club he wouldn't get.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Nov 29, 2018 22:33:58 GMT 1
Is there an option to buy Joe back in January??
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Nov 29, 2018 23:00:46 GMT 1
Only on DATM..... Lolley struggles to make an impact at Town in 4 years - the club progresses to a level beyond him at the time and he is sold - he stars for his new club at a lower level and some posters want him back and say it was a mistake to get rid. Sobhi et al, also struggle to make an impact in 4 short months and same folk want to get rid - I assume 6 months later if they are doing the business elsewhere they will want them back too. Think with hindsight we can see that Lolley has come to the end of his issues with his shin splints, there was evidence that this was occurring even last season when he made a few cameo's. He's not good enough for the prem, BUT, he would be an option to have on the bench, to throw on to try and salvage a goal in a tight game - he's proven he can do it at this level, and he is definitely proving he can do it in the championship without question. As I say, I don't think the kid is a prem player but when we are bringing in players that now look suspect, it does seem like a bit of an error, plus, would he classify as one of the homegrown player requirements? I know for sure I'd swap him for at least 3 of our current squad players. "he's proven he can do it at this level" When, exactly? One goal vs West ham, a game we lost 4-1 and he put in an otherwise very poor performance. I can't remember him standing out against anyone else last season.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 29, 2018 23:07:48 GMT 1
Think with hindsight we can see that Lolley has come to the end of his issues with his shin splints, there was evidence that this was occurring even last season when he made a few cameo's. He's not good enough for the prem, BUT, he would be an option to have on the bench, to throw on to try and salvage a goal in a tight game - he's proven he can do it at this level, and he is definitely proving he can do it in the championship without question. As I say, I don't think the kid is a prem player but when we are bringing in players that now look suspect, it does seem like a bit of an error, plus, would he classify as one of the homegrown player requirements? I know for sure I'd swap him for at least 3 of our current squad players. "he's proven he can do it at this level" When, exactly? One goal vs West ham, a game we lost 4-1 and he put in an otherwise very poor performance. I can't remember him standing out against anyone else last season. And let's not forget in that same game, we were one nil down directly due to his error by failing to control a ball (the same thing Diakhaby got pelters for at Leicester). How minds CHOOSE to remember exactly what they want to.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Nov 29, 2018 23:20:10 GMT 1
My sides are aching with laughter "Lolley a premiership footballer" never.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 23:40:03 GMT 1
Yes which hard working ball winning midfielder do we drop so we can watch Lolley run straight at the Premier league defences and get bounced on to his arse?
This.
His shots would also be blocked, An opponent would beat him to a loose ball, He cannot defend, He cant follow instructions, He didn't want to be here, One of Vaughans gang.
I liked him, If it was Jacko instead of Powell, He would have been a Town cult hero, Alas twas not a PJ type. And poor Lolley got 4 mins max for yonks.
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Post by impact on Nov 30, 2018 1:33:12 GMT 1
As I said on another thread, in the Championship he gets the space he loves where he can really get things going. He was great to watch in Wagner's 1st season, sadly the 2nd season was ruined by his injury.
However, you simply don't get that space in the Premier League. The defenders quickly work you out and nullify the threat.
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Post by irverino on Nov 30, 2018 2:34:46 GMT 1
Watched Lolley & Billing on same day with a Scout (not Town) & some big teams were after them, but, Dean signed both, also, he turned down plenty offers for Joe deadline day Jan 16, shows how he feels about the lad. Mutual reasons why he went, DH is one of his biggest fans!......As a Town fan, i'm happy for him & going NY Day to watch him rip Y33ds apart. UTT!
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Post by El Mel on Nov 30, 2018 7:57:35 GMT 1
Think with hindsight we can see that Lolley has come to the end of his issues with his shin splints, there was evidence that this was occurring even last season when he made a few cameo's. He's not good enough for the prem, BUT, he would be an option to have on the bench, to throw on to try and salvage a goal in a tight game - he's proven he can do it at this level, and he is definitely proving he can do it in the championship without question. As I say, I don't think the kid is a prem player but when we are bringing in players that now look suspect, it does seem like a bit of an error, plus, would he classify as one of the homegrown player requirements? I know for sure I'd swap him for at least 3 of our current squad players. "he's proven he can do it at this level" When, exactly? One goal vs West ham, a game we lost 4-1 and he put in an otherwise very poor performance. I can't remember him standing out against anyone else last season. In terms of finding the net net from distance, he's proven he can do it. Maybe "shown" would have been a better choice of words given the pedantry on here. He played about 220 minutes of Premier League football last season, and scored a goal. That possibly makes him the most prolific scorer we've ever had in the Premier League. Anyway, I think you purposefully chose to ignore the rest of my post where I imply that he isn't good enough, but then as I've pointed out, we've still got enough of those on the books these days. Don't be surprised to see somebody take a chance on him in this division though. The lad has talent.
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Post by dugnet on Nov 30, 2018 8:01:49 GMT 1
The reason for me re opening this debate is that I always thought there was a player in Joe and the fact he was still on the fringes of our 1st team a year ago suggests DW thought that was the case too.
Injury didn't do him any favours with us and I'm delighted he is doing so well.
Interestingly it is reported that Watford are monitoring him at the moment. I very much doubt Forest will sell. I wouldn't be so sure, as some on here think, he wouldn't step up if he stays fit. Confidence is a great thing in a player and this last 6 months has given him a massive lift.
Good luck to him, be interested to see how he goes over the next year.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Nov 30, 2018 8:12:10 GMT 1
The only time we will regret selling Joe Lolley and Michael Hefele is if we find ourselves back on the Championship. They are both very good players at that level but neither of them will make the step up.
Selling them both was absolutely the right decision for both the players and the club. To keep them here would indicate that we were planning on being relegated. We plan to stay in the PL and for that reason there was no place for either of them.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 30, 2018 9:31:19 GMT 1
Can anyone remember if we agreed a cut of any future sell on fee ?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 30, 2018 9:32:27 GMT 1
Can anyone remember if we agreed a cut of any future sell on fee ? Not sure if that would be public knowledge at the time of the deal.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Nov 30, 2018 10:13:58 GMT 1
Watford interested in him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 10:33:45 GMT 1
Just been on Sky Sports - the Spanish FA are currently investigating if the 4 holidays to Maggaluf that Joe had when at Uni give him residency rights for the Spaniards. They feel they have never adequately replaced Iniesta and Joe "el cohete" Lolley could be the man*. (*This in no way demeans the quality of some of the goals he has scored this season as there have been some absolute beauties). If he moved to Watford I would back Kongolo to leave him in Splints with the very first tackle when we played them - no foul just a crushing Coady/Flo style challenge. Good luck to the lad - always appeared likeable just maybe the wrong type of player for our current system (along with the other 8 wingers on the books)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 14:51:03 GMT 1
@reluctantnicko anything in Joe Lolley to Cardiff or is he and his agent after a nice little bonus after some good form?
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Forest can’t lose a player like him if they want to go up.
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 30, 2018 14:52:15 GMT 1
Joe Lolley threads are the new Lee Clark threads / posts.
There will be posts for however many years moving forward.
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Post by royrace on Nov 30, 2018 15:09:57 GMT 1
"he's proven he can do it at this level" When, exactly? One goal vs West ham, a game we lost 4-1 and he put in an otherwise very poor performance. I can't remember him standing out against anyone else last season. And let's not forget in that same game, we were one nil down directly due to his error by failing to control a ball (the same thing Diakhaby got pelters for at Leicester). How minds CHOOSE to remember exactly what they want to. Jeez whats with this comparison of Lolley and the new boys, there's absolutely no comparison to make whatsoever, Lolley produced from day one at Town and was generally well thought of, he didn't cost millions either, most agreed he'd been a good servant but it was probably time for a fresh start. The new boys have got a hell of a lot to do before they're even worthy of being mentioned in the same breath. They could start by appearing on the pitch in a Town shirt and then maybe progress into making a meaningful contribution whilst on it.
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Post by benhomly on Nov 30, 2018 15:34:09 GMT 1
And let's not forget in that same game, we were one nil down directly due to his error by failing to control a ball (the same thing Diakhaby got pelters for at Leicester). How minds CHOOSE to remember exactly what they want to. Jeez whats with this comparison of Lolley and the new boys, there's absolutely no comparison to make whatsoever, Lolley produced from day one at Town and was generally well thought of, he didn't cost millions either, most agreed he'd been a good servant but it was probably time for a fresh start. The new boys have got a hell of a lot to do before they're even worthy of being mentioned in the same breath. They could start by appearing on the pitch in a Town shirt and then maybe progress into making a meaningful contribution whilst on it. Whilst I agree with your comments on the new boys I’m at a loss to remember what exactly Lolley produced from day one at Town 🤔
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Post by Dillinger on Nov 30, 2018 15:44:21 GMT 1
Never had the touch to play in the Premier League, even when warming up you could see he struggled to kill the ball. As has been pointed out, in the Prem you get the ball taken off you before you have it under control.. That is the easiest way to tell apart a player who came up through the leagues (Vardy, Lambert, Austin, Lolley) and those who came through an premier league academy.. I remember watching the Chelsea U18 team play a youth cup game last season, I was actually blown away by the control and touch on some of these lads who are only 17 or so, it was staggering..
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Post by tobbyg on Nov 30, 2018 15:48:21 GMT 1
And let's not forget in that same game, we were one nil down directly due to his error by failing to control a ball (the same thing Diakhaby got pelters for at Leicester). How minds CHOOSE to remember exactly what they want to. Jeez whats with this comparison of Lolley and the new boys, there's absolutely no comparison to make whatsoever, Lolley produced from day one at Town and was generally well thought of, he didn't cost millions either, most agreed he'd been a good servant but it was probably time for a fresh start. The new boys have got a hell of a lot to do before they're even worthy of being mentioned in the same breath. They could start by appearing on the pitch in a Town shirt and then maybe progress into making a meaningful contribution whilst on it. I’ve always been a big fan of Lolley but for his time here he produced barely anything above the square root of fuck all, shame it didn’t work out as he had talent I swear I could steel the garbage of some folk and sell it back a year later for their net worth.
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Post by Town Duppy on Nov 30, 2018 19:53:37 GMT 1
The reason for me re opening this debate is that I always thought there was a player in Joe and the fact he was still on the fringes of our 1st team a year ago suggests DW thought that was the case too. Injury didn't do him any favours with us and I'm delighted he is doing so well. Interestingly it is reported that Watford are monitoring him at the moment. I very much doubt Forest will sell. I wouldn't be so sure, as some on here think, he wouldn't step up if he stays fit. Confidence is a great thing in a player and this last 6 months has given him a massive lift. Good luck to him, be interested to see how he goes over the next year. Perv.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 20:19:13 GMT 1
The reason for me re opening this debate is that I always thought there was a player in Joe and the fact he was still on the fringes of our 1st team a year ago suggests DW thought that was the case too. Injury didn't do him any favours with us and I'm delighted he is doing so well. Interestingly it is reported that Watford are monitoring him at the moment. I very much doubt Forest will sell. I wouldn't be so sure, as some on here think, he wouldn't step up if he stays fit. Confidence is a great thing in a player and this last 6 months has given him a massive lift. Good luck to him, be interested to see how he goes over the next year. Perv. Big ken liked a right winger - allegedly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 20:53:09 GMT 1
The gulf is bigger than ever and gets exponentially bigger every season. If we keep going as we are then we will become one of the established top 20 biggest clubs in UK. Every year prem teams grow further away from their championship rivals. There are a few bigger clubs remaining in the championship (though they appear to not play within the financial rules -Villa) Otherwise it’s teams who’ve had prem money in recent 3 years eg. Boro, West Brom, Swansea etc.. I do think soon it’ll be the same 3 that come straight back and then it’ll become a fixed league like NFL. The financial disparity is too much now. If you’re a championship club now is the time. Every year it gets harder. You only have to look at the same match for another example of this. Tammy Abraham scored 5 goals in 31 games in the Premier League. He scored 4 last night. Exactly and would any of us be delighted/desperate to have him at Town? I don't think so. He's not better than Moonie really is he? Not significantly if at all and if he was another prem team wouldve bought him in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 11:54:19 GMT 1
Got a feeling Forest could " CASH IN " on lolleys present form with maybe a prem league club loooking to take a gamble ,and just hope town had a sell on clause in the deal. Naaaah, the 'experts' on here say he isn't good enough for the Premier League. Mind you, under that useless excuse of a Manager Powell he was only good enough for the last 4 minutes of a match with us in the Championship. What the f*** was that ‘management’ about. How to ruin a player’s confidence. Truly bizarre.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 1, 2018 11:59:04 GMT 1
Naaaah, the 'experts' on here say he isn't good enough for the Premier League. Mind you, under that useless excuse of a Manager Powell he was only good enough for the last 4 minutes of a match with us in the Championship. What the f*** was that ‘management’ about. How to ruin a player’s confidence. Truly bizarre. Joe, I don't take any encouraging to get me started! 😏
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 12:02:37 GMT 1
What the f*** was that ‘management’ about. How to ruin a player’s confidence. Truly bizarre. Joe, I don't take any encouraging to get me started! 😏 I was one who could understand if not always appreciate Powell’s pragmatism. He got far too carried away with levels of opponents etc.. I have to admit it was good to have a defence who could keep other teams out after having been so utterly leaky under Clark for so long -losing or often drawing games with late goals conceded. What on earth was to be gained by consistently putting lolley on for 5 minutes was beyond any reason though.
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Post by impact on Dec 1, 2018 12:10:05 GMT 1
Joe, I don't take any encouraging to get me started! 😏 I was one who could understand if not always appreciate Powell’s pragmatism. He got far too carried away with levels of opponents etc.. I have to admit it was good to have a defence who could keep other teams out after having been so utterly leaky under Clark for so long -losing or often drawing games with late goals conceded. What on earth was to be gained by consistently putting lolley on for 5 minutes was beyond any reason though. 5 minutes was a luxury. Just looked looked at 1 run of games: 2 0 0 1 9 0 1 0 22 0 2 9 12 games, 46 minutes in total. All of the 0s he was on the bench unused.
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