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Post by detox on Jun 27, 2018 5:35:45 GMT 1
The draw is looking so lopsided, with only Spain of the ‘big’ teams in one side, and potentially France, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, plus Uruguay in the other. Whatever anyone says, that must be some incentive for England to take it easy against Belgium. Then again, they’re probably thinking the same thing. What seemed ludicrous, that neither team might actually try to win, or may even stoop to picking up deliberate yellow cards in order to finish second, could become a reality. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Come 2nd in our group and then face probably Japan, win that and face Mexico/Switzerland...then through to semi-final and play Spain/Croatia...? There again Germany could hammer South Korea and win Group F and Brazil could slip to 2nd in Group E....and we could face the winner in gtr finals !!
Like you say the top half of the draw is definitely over burdened with big teams but we'll know more after tonight.
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Post by terrier5 on Jun 27, 2018 6:38:20 GMT 1
Panama a team like Iceland? Are you quite mad? Crewe Alexandra would beat Panama....seriously. We lost to the USA 1950...a 100/1 shot. Out. 1954 we went out to little Uruguay after drawing 4-4 with minnows Belgium. Uruguay was then a backwater of 3 million people. 1958 we went out at the hands of minnows Austria who had nothing to play for. Went home without a win as well. 62...qualified from the group just....a 0-0 draw with the mighty Bulgaria....then its Brazil and home. 1970...get out of the group with two 1-0 wins against giants Romania and Czechoslovakia...then its Germany and home. 74. Failed to qualify at the hands of giants Wales and the clown Tomaszewski. 78..failed to qualify on goal difference. 82. Two draws with Spain and Germany....home. Again we fail to beat a good team. 86. Morocco top the group yet we sneak in to the knock-out rounds. We then beat the worst team in South America by some margin...Paraguay. Meet Argentina and its home. Getting tired now...you know the rest....we NEVER succeed in big matches v good teams. Yeah yeah yeah. what a crock of shit. When we win its because the other side are shit. When we lose its because the other side are still shit, just not as shit as us. It gets so boring At least we won;t be coming up against the mighty Poles this time with their superior skill, players and attitude  Panama would beat Poland. Agreed, it's fair to say that any team winning the event will need a slice of luck along the way, not just brilliance. I'm warming to this team. |
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Post by PellonTerrier on Jun 27, 2018 8:05:08 GMT 1
Credibility lost with the Uruguay comment Oti in 54 they were the holders of the world cup having beaten Brazil at the maracana in 1950.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 8:10:18 GMT 1
u17 world champions, u21 world champions, the future sure does look bright. If the players get the chances they deserve in the premier league. Southgate is doing a great job so far and while we haven't played a team in the world cup with real quality yet, I am opimistic about how far we can go. I wouldn't be suprised to see us get to the final, however I wouldn't be suprised if we lost in the 1/4s either.
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Post by golcarexile on Jun 27, 2018 8:37:34 GMT 1
The draw is looking so lopsided, with only Spain of the ‘big’ teams in one side, and potentially France, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, plus Uruguay in the other. Whatever anyone says, that must be some incentive for England to take it easy against Belgium. Then again, they’re probably thinking the same thing. What seemed ludicrous, that neither team might actually try to win, or may even stoop to picking up deliberate yellow cards in order to finish second, could become a reality. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. If the crazy scenario happens, I nominate Phil Jones to come on and pick up two yellow cards in the last 5 minutes  Then they'd have to bring on their own clumsy oaf, probably Fellaini, to do likewise. Could get silly. Seriously though, with scores level, England are awarded a last minute penalty. You're Harry Kane, chasing the golden boot. Do you hammer it home, or do your best Chris Waddle impression ensuring an easier path, on paper at least, all the way to the final? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 27, 2018 9:37:02 GMT 1
If the crazy scenario happens, I nominate Phil Jones to come on and pick up two yellow cards in the last 5 minutes Then they'd have to bring on their own clumsy oaf, probably Fellaini, to do likewise. Could get silly. Seriously though, with scores level, England are awarded a last minute penalty. You're Harry Kane, chasing the golden boot. Do you hammer it home, or do your best Chris Waddle impression ensuring an easier path, on paper at least, all the way to the final? try that one on and you get a lucky goal from a free kick or whatever, thereby ruining all your plans, if Southgate can plan and accomplish a draw against Belgium he can plan to win the next 3/4 games and probably get it done.. not sure the plan to get a couple of easy games to progress and then fuck up badly in the first tough game you have is the best? it will still be England falling at the first 'tough hurdle' and the distance we have gone won't 'fool' anyone.. |
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Post by golcarexile on Jun 27, 2018 10:00:10 GMT 1
Then they'd have to bring on their own clumsy oaf, probably Fellaini, to do likewise. Could get silly. Seriously though, with scores level, England are awarded a last minute penalty. You're Harry Kane, chasing the golden boot. Do you hammer it home, or do your best Chris Waddle impression ensuring an easier path, on paper at least, all the way to the final? try that one on and you get a lucky goal from a free kick or whatever, thereby ruining all your plans, if Southgate can plan and accomplish a draw against Belgium he can plan to win the next 3/4 games and probably get it done.. not sure the plan to get a couple of easy games to progress and then fuck up badly in the first tough game you have is the best? it will still be England falling at the first 'tough hurdle' and the distance we have gone won't 'fool' anyone.. Maybe so, but I reckon if we were to say, lose a semi-final to Spain, plenty people would be fooled, the same as they were in '90. With the bar set so low, a couple of streaky wins against such as Japan and Switzerland will have folk across the land hailing Southgate as the messiah. If we were to reach the final however, we'd be talking open-top buses and knighthoods. Win-win. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 27, 2018 13:03:31 GMT 1
try that one on and you get a lucky goal from a free kick or whatever, thereby ruining all your plans, if Southgate can plan and accomplish a draw against Belgium he can plan to win the next 3/4 games and probably get it done.. not sure the plan to get a couple of easy games to progress and then fuck up badly in the first tough game you have is the best? it will still be England falling at the first 'tough hurdle' and the distance we have gone won't 'fool' anyone.. Maybe so, but I reckon if we were to say, lose a semi-final to Spain, plenty people would be fooled, the same as they were in '90. With the bar set so low, a couple of streaky wins against such as Japan and Switzerland will have folk across the land hailing Southgate as the messiah. If we were to reach the final however, we'd be talking open-top buses and knighthoods. Win-win. as much as the 6-1 has got people talking, I'm not sure too many will have gone overboard..I am heartened much more by the relative standards of performance from the big teams.. other than croatia, who look a right team with enough talent in it, the rest look like individuals who have eventually done 'just enough'.. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 27, 2018 17:05:21 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final  Well I can tell you who won't win the world cup as a DATM Fact.  The sausage munching Germans and the cabbage bashing Polish. Maybe they can go halfers on the plane home. So spill some beans Otium old chap, how much moulah just got washed down the drain with these results. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 27, 2018 17:48:06 GMT 1
Nailed on we go out on pens to the Germans!
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 27, 2018 17:51:00 GMT 1
Nailed on we go out on pens to the Germans! Complete list of world cups involving England and Germany where England have played the most games. 2018 |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 27, 2018 17:58:04 GMT 1
Nailed on we go out on pens to the Germans! Complete list of world cups involving England and Germany where England have played the most games. 2018 Jumping the gun 3-2 to them at the moment!  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 27, 2018 18:17:56 GMT 1
Complete list of world cups involving England and Germany where England have played the most games. 2018 Jumping the gun 3-2 to them at the moment! I gave Septic Peg a ring, she gave me the insider knowledge. oh and I know who's being signed next week..she knew that as well.  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 28, 2018 7:52:02 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Well I can tell you who won't win the world cup as a DATM Fact. The sausage munching Germans and the cabbage bashing Polish. Maybe they can go halfers on the plane home. So spill some beans Otium old chap, how much moulah just got washed down the drain with these results. Lost a grand on Poland as i could not trade out. Got some dough on France. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jun 28, 2018 11:55:04 GMT 1
Well I can tell you who won't win the world cup as a DATM Fact. The sausage munching Germans and the cabbage bashing Polish. Maybe they can go halfers on the plane home. So spill some beans Otium old chap, how much moulah just got washed down the drain with these results. Lost a grand on Poland as i could not trade out. Got some dough on France. Good stuff Oti - doing your bit for the three lions. Kiss of death for France. être l'arrêt de mort pour la France |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 12:45:08 GMT 1
Credibility lost with the Uruguay comment Oti in 54 they were the holders of the world cup having beaten Brazil at the maracana in 1950. Biggest (under the radar) over achievers in the history of international football. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 12:49:28 GMT 1
I've been most impressed by Columbia. Unlucky with 10 men and unbelievably quick going forward when they had the full compliment. I pray England avoid them as I think they could do some damage to our defence. Large, fanatical support as well. Saying that, they are a bit crap at defending themselves.
We might have to change the lyrics to the Kirsty MacColl (RIP) song if we play them.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 28, 2018 14:05:48 GMT 1
I've been most impressed by Columbia. Unlucky with 10 men and unbelievably quick going forward when they had the full compliment. I pray England avoid them as I think they could do some damage to our defence. Large, fanatical support as well. Saying that, they are a bit crap at defending themselves. We might have to change the lyrics to the Kirsty MacColl (RIP) song if we play them. Agreed, the only permutation I’m bothered about really is avoiding them next round as I think their movement and passing will cause us major problems. Because they lost their first game they haven’t been talked up at all but they had a man sent off after 3 minutes and still played very well. Having said that they might get knocked out by Senegal. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 28, 2018 14:11:03 GMT 1
Well I can tell you who won't win the world cup as a DATM Fact. The sausage munching Germans and the cabbage bashing Polish. Maybe they can go halfers on the plane home. So spill some beans Otium old chap, how much moulah just got washed down the drain with these results. Lost a grand on Poland as i could not trade out. Got some dough on France. Hopefully France play Crêpe. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jun 28, 2018 16:27:44 GMT 1
Lost a grand on Poland as i could not trade out. Got some dough on France. Hopefully France play Crêpe. .... and they get merded. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jun 28, 2018 16:30:34 GMT 1
I've been most impressed by Columbia. Unlucky with 10 men and unbelievably quick going forward when they had the full compliment. I pray England avoid them as I think they could do some damage to our defence. Large, fanatical support as well. Saying that, they are a bit crap at defending themselves. We might have to change the lyrics to the Kirsty MacColl (RIP) song if we play them. Agreed, the only permutation I’m bothered about really is avoiding them next round as I think their movement and passing will cause us major problems. Because they lost their first game they haven’t been talked up at all but they had a man sent off after 3 minutes and still played very well. Having said that they might get knocked out by Senegal. Quite possibly should be on the other thread but, as I type, Japan losing which means, I think, that we'll play Colombia if we beat Belgium or draw with them with less yellow cards, if it stays like this. Disclaimer: This post is subject to being possibly completely wrong. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 28, 2018 16:56:55 GMT 1
Agreed, the only permutation I’m bothered about really is avoiding them next round as I think their movement and passing will cause us major problems. Because they lost their first game they haven’t been talked up at all but they had a man sent off after 3 minutes and still played very well. Having said that they might get knocked out by Senegal. Quite possibly should be on the other thread but, as I type, Japan losing which means, I think, that we'll play Colombia if we beat Belgium or draw with them with less yellow cards, if it stays like this. Disclaimer: This post is subject to being possibly completely wrong. you're wrong |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jun 28, 2018 17:01:20 GMT 1
Quite possibly should be on the other thread but, as I type, Japan losing which means, I think, that we'll play Colombia if we beat Belgium or draw with them with less yellow cards, if it stays like this. Disclaimer: This post is subject to being possibly completely wrong. you're wrong I think I was right actually at the time, and we can still play Colombia. I'd rather have Japan though, so we need to beat or draw with Belgium. Ultimately, it was Lewandowski who put Senegal out with that miss. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jun 28, 2018 17:08:35 GMT 1
Tough choice for our Belgium game - Win or draw and we have easier next game but likely Brazil in the quarters OR lose to Belgium and get into tougher next game but overall easier quarter final opponent.
I think a loss is in order for the Columbia followed by Sweden or Switzerland route to the semi final.
Japan followed by Brazil or Mexico semi final route is to be avoided if possible
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 28, 2018 17:18:06 GMT 1
Tough choice for our Belgium game - Win or draw and we have easier next game but likely Brazil in the quarters OR lose to Belgium and get into tougher next game but overall easier quarter final opponent. I think a loss is in order for the Columbia followed by Sweden or Switzerland route to the semi final. Japan followed by Brazil or Mexico semi final route is to be avoided if possible Its easy to overthink. I will be happy whatever happens. But I would like us to continue in the winning groove. Brazil havent been that good. They couldn't beat Switzerland. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 28, 2018 17:34:06 GMT 1
This is england. If we were to try and finish 2nd then you can be certain we'd get turned over by Colombia in the next round and made to look fools.
Winning is a habit. I hope we win tonight, top the group and keep the positivity going. Take on whoever the tournament throws at us because there hasn;t been a team so far that if we play well we can't beat.
We'll make changes tonight but not to rest players as much as it is to keep the fringe players up to speed in case theyre needed later on. But we'll be trying to win IMO and rightly so.
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Post by ozterrier on Jun 28, 2018 17:37:40 GMT 1
Lost a grand on Poland as i could not trade out. Got some dough on France. Hopefully France play Crêpe. Think they'll get jacques shit out of their next game |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 28, 2018 17:50:29 GMT 1
Tough choice for our Belgium game - Win or draw and we have easier next game but likely Brazil in the quarters OR lose to Belgium and get into tougher next game but overall easier quarter final opponent. I think a loss is in order for the Columbia followed by Sweden or Switzerland route to the semi final. Japan followed by Brazil or Mexico semi final route is to be avoided if possible Are Brazil really any good? They look average to me, unless they are holding back. Brazil don't worry me at all. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 28, 2018 23:58:09 GMT 1
Tough choice for our Belgium game - Win or draw and we have easier next game but likely Brazil in the quarters OR lose to Belgium and get into tougher next game but overall easier quarter final opponent. I think a loss is in order for the Columbia followed by Sweden or Switzerland route to the semi final. Japan followed by Brazil or Mexico semi final route is to be avoided if possible Are Brazil really any good? They look average to me, unless they are holding back. Brazil don't worry me at all. well we shall see. England Brazil in the final it is then. |
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Post by Elioud on Jun 29, 2018 18:31:27 GMT 1
Why England will not win the world Cup... Already won it. |
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