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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 12, 2018 7:23:51 GMT 1
Tactically naive from Southgate, that was the he difference between the two teams. In and amongst the Southgate love-in. I agree, tactically he got it wrong. The game was crying out for a change in Midfield earlier in the second half when Croatia were bossing it. It didn't come. Dier on arrival was his namesake. Rashford, no impact whatsoever and if Vardy is England quality then there is hope for all of us. And to substitute Sterling when you are trying to win a match was criminal. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Jul 12, 2018 7:41:13 GMT 1
Only one team ever goes home happy from The World Cup
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 12, 2018 7:51:47 GMT 1
1-0 up at HT. FFS....biggest competition in the World, what was our teamtalk...lets look jolly chappys, fucking don't let these c**** score at any cost! This is the archetypal dumbass comment you see from English fans after a World Cup/Euro exit. Surprised there's not something equally bland and stupid about passion. I had to turn Talksport over quicker than usual because the great unwashed were out in force last night. We weren't good enough and had a relatively easy run, but no-one let us down; we got further than expected and we lost marginally to a team with much more footballing nous (what we seem to lack as a nation). |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 12, 2018 8:19:15 GMT 1
The reason we didn't win last night was we were beaten by a side that were pretty much better in every department, and they simply wanted it more. No shame in goin out at the semi final stage. Let's hope the FA now build on what the England team actually achieved otherwise they will have missed an opportunity to produce a team of tournament winners. England should have been 3 - 0 up by half time (Lingaard - Ahhhhhhhh!). Croatia came out in the second half a different team and played well. Stones (?) should have scored in first half of extra time with that header cleared off the line. Despite all the crap that will be now spouted in the coming days - it was all about fine margins. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 12, 2018 8:45:13 GMT 1
The reason we didn't win last night was we were beaten by a side that were pretty much better in every department, and they simply wanted it more. No shame in goin out at the semi final stage. Let's hope the FA now build on what the England team actually achieved otherwise they will have missed an opportunity to produce a team of tournament winners. England should have been 3 - 0 up by half time (Lingaard - Ahhhhhhhh!). Croatia came out in the second half a different team and played well. Maguire should have scored in first half of extra time with that header cleared off the line. Despite all the crap that will be now spouted in the coming days - it was all about fine margins. should, could. all reflections after defeat. Our media gave Croatria an edge last night. They looked well up for it. Even Modric states our media gave them incentive. www.football365.com/news/modric-blasts-english-journalists-for-lack-of-respect |
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Post by artysid on Jul 12, 2018 9:14:56 GMT 1
Too disappointed to post last night. - Even the weather is dull today
Beaten by the better team but fine margins - Stones brilliant header goes in etc etc
That said it was luck more than anything that got us as far as we did - beat poor teams, struggled against mediocre teams, lost to an ok team
Kane may well get the golden boot but thought he under performed overall. In fact the two best players for me were two that don't play for a top six side. Goalie & Mcaquire
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 12, 2018 9:30:00 GMT 1
Too disappointed to post last night. - Even the weather is dull today Beaten by the better team but fine margins - Stones brilliant header goes in etc etc That said it was luck more than anything that got us as far as we did - beat poor teams, struggled against mediocre teams, lost to an ok team Kane may well get the golden boot but thought he under performed overall. In fact the two best players for me were two that don't play for a top six side. Goalie & McaquireMcaquire, doesn't he play for the Jocks? He should! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 13:06:31 GMT 1
1-0 up at HT. FFS....biggest competition in the World, what was our teamtalk...lets look jolly chappys, fucking don't let these c**** score at any cost! This is the archetypal dumbass comment you see from English fans after a World Cup/Euro exit. Surprised there's not something equally bland and stupid about passion. I had to turn Talksport over quicker than usual because the great unwashed were out in force last night. We weren't good enough and had a relatively easy run, but no-one let us down; we got further than expected and we lost marginally to a team with much more footballing nous (what we seem to lack as a nation). The only thing I would disagree with is you having Talksport on in the first place.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 12, 2018 13:50:02 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final  'Pretty accurate' you reckon? Point 3 mentions 5 teams you reckoned were ranked above us "for good reason" but 1 didn't even qualify, 2 failed to get out of the group stage and the other 2 were dumped out in the round of 16. Simple fact Oti is, that you love to denigrate England and anything English it appears. You love to put England's (and Town's too for that matter) achievements down to luck. I do wonder if Poland had done what England did in this World Cup - Your reasoning for it would be anything but luck. I guess your assessment of your posts on here are about as accurate as the initial posts themselves 😉 Here is my assessment. England...athletes not footballers. Dier, Stones, Maguire, Lingard....would not get in Icelands team. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 12, 2018 13:54:35 GMT 1
Give Oti some credit, he was right about England not winning the World Cup.
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Post by realmadkid on Jul 12, 2018 14:10:52 GMT 1
Give Oti some credit, he was right about England not winning the World Cup. True. My prediction for this season is that Southampton will not win the Premier League. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 12, 2018 14:18:25 GMT 1
'Pretty accurate' you reckon? Point 3 mentions 5 teams you reckoned were ranked above us "for good reason" but 1 didn't even qualify, 2 failed to get out of the group stage and the other 2 were dumped out in the round of 16. Simple fact Oti is, that you love to denigrate England and anything English it appears. You love to put England's (and Town's too for that matter) achievements down to luck. I do wonder if Poland had done what England did in this World Cup - Your reasoning for it would be anything but luck. I guess your assessment of your posts on here are about as accurate as the initial posts themselves 😉 Here is my assessment. England...athletes not footballers. Dier, Stones, Maguire, Lingard....would not get in Icelands team. Dier I agree with. Stones Maguire and Lingard will only get better at international level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 15:52:03 GMT 1
'Pretty accurate' you reckon? Point 3 mentions 5 teams you reckoned were ranked above us "for good reason" but 1 didn't even qualify, 2 failed to get out of the group stage and the other 2 were dumped out in the round of 16. Simple fact Oti is, that you love to denigrate England and anything English it appears. You love to put England's (and Town's too for that matter) achievements down to luck. I do wonder if Poland had done what England did in this World Cup - Your reasoning for it would be anything but luck. I guess your assessment of your posts on here are about as accurate as the initial posts themselves 😉 Here is my assessment. England...athletes not footballers. Dier, Stones, Maguire, Lingard....would not get in Icelands team. Correct unless they discover an Icelandic grandparent |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jul 12, 2018 16:19:44 GMT 1
Give Oti some credit, he was right about England not winning the World Cup. True. My prediction for this season is that Southampton will not win the Premier League. I am going to stick my neck out and say that Town won't either. Aren't I the controversial one ? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 12, 2018 18:02:43 GMT 1
Otium must be a genius as its happened ?
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 12, 2018 19:10:45 GMT 1
To answer the thread title, the answer is because we're fundamentally shit. Shit players, shit manager ... get the fucking paper bag back on your head you pizza-munching loser! Everyone else has forgotten how you made money out of failure Gareth, but I haven't.
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Post by taskmaster on Jul 12, 2018 19:41:40 GMT 1
'Pretty accurate' you reckon? Point 3 mentions 5 teams you reckoned were ranked above us "for good reason" but 1 didn't even qualify, 2 failed to get out of the group stage and the other 2 were dumped out in the round of 16. Simple fact Oti is, that you love to denigrate England and anything English it appears. You love to put England's (and Town's too for that matter) achievements down to luck. I do wonder if Poland had done what England did in this World Cup - Your reasoning for it would be anything but luck. I guess your assessment of your posts on here are about as accurate as the initial posts themselves 😉 Here is my assessment. England...athletes not footballers. Dier, Stones, Maguire, Lingard....would not get in Icelands team. That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 12, 2018 19:45:59 GMT 1
Here is my assessment. England...athletes not footballers. Dier, Stones, Maguire, Lingard....would not get in Icelands team. That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. |
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Post by taskmaster on Jul 12, 2018 19:53:30 GMT 1
That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. If you're using Porto as a team to supplement your argument, it's worth remembering that Dier came through the academy at Sporting in the same league. Maguire is a good footballer, several times this world cup, including yesterday, he brought the ball out of defence into midfield - in fact he's done t throughout his career. He's a ball playing CB. But that doesn't fit your bluster does it? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 12, 2018 20:01:19 GMT 1
The reason we didn't win last night was we were beaten by a side that were pretty much better in every department, and they simply wanted it more.No shame in goin out at the semi final stage. Let's hope the FA now build on what the England team actually achieved otherwise they will have missed an opportunity to produce a team of tournament winners. No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. The idea our lads didn;t want it as much as the croatians, or anyone else, is just twaddle. They were better in a key area of the pitch- the middle. Added to a bit more experience, that was just about enough for them to edge the game. The problem the england team have now, is that we'll be straight back to the huge expectancy from people who don;t really rate the team. The 'we're not very good, but if we can't beat this team or that team, then its a disgrace, the overpaid prima donnas, etc etc' brigade. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 12, 2018 20:07:15 GMT 1
The reason we didn't win last night was we were beaten by a side that were pretty much better in every department, and they simply wanted it more.No shame in goin out at the semi final stage. Let's hope the FA now build on what the England team actually achieved otherwise they will have missed an opportunity to produce a team of tournament winners. No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. The idea our lads didn;t want it as much as the croatians, or anyone else, is just twaddle. They were better in a key area of the pitch- the middle. Added to a bit more experience, that was just about enough for them to edge the game. The problem the england team have now, is that we'll be straight back to the huge expectancy from people who don;t really rate the team. The 'we're not very good, but if we can't beat this team or that team, then its a disgrace, the overpaid prima donnas, etc etc' brigade. Valid but why dont we ever produce creative midfielders....i can name Scholes as top drawer in the last 25 years? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 12, 2018 20:08:54 GMT 1
That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. Give it a rest Oti. All youve achieved in this thread is to illustrate your lack of knowledge or understanding of the game and your bitterness towards england in general for whatever reason. Ive had women in the office who have zero interest in the game wanting to chat football with me over the past 2 or 3 weeks, and frankly they call it better than you mate!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 12, 2018 20:13:31 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. The idea our lads didn;t want it as much as the croatians, or anyone else, is just twaddle. They were better in a key area of the pitch- the middle. Added to a bit more experience, that was just about enough for them to edge the game. The problem the england team have now, is that we'll be straight back to the huge expectancy from people who don;t really rate the team. The 'we're not very good, but if we can't beat this team or that team, then its a disgrace, the overpaid prima donnas, etc etc' brigade. Valid but why dont we ever produce creative midfielders....i can name Scholes as top drawer in the last 25 years? A year ago we had a great one in Alli, but hes lost his form since then. ALL the clubs you use to show quality would have snapped him up at that point if they could. Wilshire would be another one if his career hadn't been effected by injuries so much. But yeah, its not a position we have much choice in and thats the result of our main division being the Prem- full of rich clubs who sign the already proven best from other nations and who don't even consider developing a young english player in such a key role. |
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Post by tobbyg on Jul 12, 2018 20:30:36 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. The idea our lads didn;t want it as much as the croatians, or anyone else, is just twaddle. They were better in a key area of the pitch- the middle. Added to a bit more experience, that was just about enough for them to edge the game. The problem the england team have now, is that we'll be straight back to the huge expectancy from people who don;t really rate the team. The 'we're not very good, but if we can't beat this team or that team, then its a disgrace, the overpaid prima donnas, etc etc' brigade. Valid but why dont we ever produce creative midfielders....i can name Scholes as top drawer in the last 25 years? That’s an interesting point actually, considering it’s possibly become the most fashionable position nowadays. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 12, 2018 20:44:08 GMT 1
Only one team ever goes home happy from The World Cup FIFA!  |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 12, 2018 20:44:22 GMT 1
That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. Valid point I'm afraid, how often do the above mentioned poach our so called best ? If Madrid/Barca want the best players then they get them, it's a simple fact. If Clark W Griswald the world class footballer had a choice between Manchester or Spain, Im packing my smugglers |
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Post by terracesider on Jul 12, 2018 20:57:14 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. The idea our lads didn;t want it as much as the croatians, or anyone else, is just twaddle. They were better in a key area of the pitch- the middle. Added to a bit more experience, that was just about enough for them to edge the game. The problem the england team have now, is that we'll be straight back to the huge expectancy from people who don;t really rate the team. The 'we're not very good, but if we can't beat this team or that team, then its a disgrace, the overpaid prima donnas, etc etc' brigade. Valid but why dont we ever produce creative midfielders....i can name Scholes as top drawer in the last 25 years? What would Gareth have given to have Scholes (in his prime) or Modric in his line up this last few weeks? For me; we've very clearly missed having a creative mid-fielder for years... But there has been other major factors missing in the England set up in this competition: Leadership and experience; I can't imagine that game would have been allowed to slide away in such an abject manner in the second half had the likes of Roy Keane (admittedly unavailable) Bryan Robson, or even the maligned John Terry, been on the field... |
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Post by Giggity on Jul 12, 2018 21:30:32 GMT 1
Must have been watching a different England to those who thought we overachieved. We beat Panama and Sweden as expected, made hard work of an average Tunisia outfit having to rely on a last minute winner, had to rely on penalties to beat an erratic Columbia side and lost to the only two half decent sides we came up against. The luck of the draw has masked over an average tournament. Any other World Cup, we would have been dumped out by the last 16 stage at the latest.
We created very little from open play (which declined as the tournament went on) and struggled to retain possession which has plagued us in past tournaments. The press were labelling the players as heroes this morning. Christ! What have we become?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 12, 2018 21:32:18 GMT 1
That would be John Stones who Guardiola wanted. And Pep has said as long as he's at Manchester City, Stones would be too. And then there's Maguire who has arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament, and a fantastic ball playing CB at that too as well as being lethal in the air. Then there is Lingard who has blossomed under Mourinho and scored 14 goals for United last season. Your comments are just bluster. Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. Clown... But as we know with your MO you'll just keep responding until people give up and don't respond - tedious you are when you're on a topic that you know you've a very thin argument to work with... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 21:42:33 GMT 1
How many Spanish players play at the top level for Barca and Real Madrid? And guess what, they were shite and went home early after losing to an even worse Russia side.
How many Argentinians play at the top level for Juventus, Barcelona, etc?
Guess what, they were shite pretty much the whole way through and went home early.
How many of the German squad play at the top level European clubs? 95% of them.
Guess what, they were so shite they didn't make it out of the group stage finishing below South Korea.
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