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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 1, 2019 12:47:44 GMT 1
As per the other thread:
VLP is back at Town according to his instagram story, in Canalside training room with Diakhaby, personally delighted to see him back.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 1, 2019 12:53:35 GMT 1
Good let's unleash him against the foxes.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 1, 2019 12:55:49 GMT 1
Seems strange for him to be back Town and neither Middlesbrough or town announce it. Hope he's here next season too.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2019 12:56:01 GMT 1
Sums up our season/recruitment when VLP will actually improve our team. I'd have him in on Saturday. And I'd get Sabiri involved too. Doubtless he'll still be "injured" though.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 1, 2019 12:59:27 GMT 1
I don't understand the hate for van la parra. Have we even got another player in our squad that can beat a man?
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Post by crux on Apr 1, 2019 13:00:57 GMT 1
Sums up our season/recruitment when VLP will actually improve our team. I'd have him in on Saturday. And I'd get Sabiri involved too. Doubtless he'll still be "injured" though. VLP can't play for us this season. Sabiri is recovering from injury and has played a couple of u23 games for us and part of an u21 game for Germany. Hopefully he'll be ready to play in the first team soon. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2019 13:06:27 GMT 1
Sums up our season/recruitment when VLP will actually improve our team. I'd have him in on Saturday. And I'd get Sabiri involved too. Doubtless he'll still be "injured" though. VLP can't play for us this season. Sabiri is recovering from injury and has played a couple of u23 games for us and part of an u21 game for Germany. Hopefully he'll be ready to play in the first team soon. Why can't he play? Sabiri played for Germany U-21s in midweek and wasn't deemed fit enough to make the bench. Danny Williams only just returned to training and came on, on Saturday. Hopefully Sabiri will get his chance though, he'd be a decent option in the Championship. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 1, 2019 13:10:58 GMT 1
VLP can't play for us this season. Sabiri is recovering from injury and has played a couple of u23 games for us and part of an u21 game for Germany. Hopefully he'll be ready to play in the first team soon. Why can't he play? Sabiri played for Germany U-21s in midweek and wasn't deemed fit enough to make the bench. Danny Williams only just returned to training and came on, on Saturday. Hopefully Sabiri will get his chance though, he'd be a decent option in the Championship. Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 1, 2019 13:11:08 GMT 1
Exactly, massive part of our success last season and the one before. Staggering how many people can't or won't see it. Like marmite...or a modern day David Cowling. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I wouldn't have thought Cowling and VLP were very similar at all, RoyR. Dave Cowling was one of the best crossers of the ball I've ever seen at Town, and scored some goals as well. Whatever VLP's strengths are, and even his supporters only seem able to offer that "he gets us up the field" (whatever that may mean) he is not in the same class as Cowling in terms of end product, nowhere near. His crossing and finishing really are dreadful. I know some of VLP's supporters try to educate me occasionally, by explaining what "getting us up the field" means and implying that I don't understand football tactics, but they do seem to accept that that is his main strength - a hell of a luxury to carry. It's only my opinion but I wouldn't have him back just for his diving alone - it not only became a weekly thing, literally, but put even Flo to shame, and that's saying something. I had hoped that Middlesborough would take him but accepted that as soon as he went there "on trial" that would never happen. They're not daft. The bits that Cowling excelled at are the bits VLP struggles with and vice versa. If Raj had Cowlings attributes to add to his own he'd be at a top 6 club |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2019 13:22:35 GMT 1
Why can't he play? Sabiri played for Germany U-21s in midweek and wasn't deemed fit enough to make the bench. Danny Williams only just returned to training and came on, on Saturday. Hopefully Sabiri will get his chance though, he'd be a decent option in the Championship. Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. Oh well. Was a strange decision to loan him out in the first instance, given our lack of credible attacking options. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 1, 2019 13:23:37 GMT 1
Why can't he play? Sabiri played for Germany U-21s in midweek and wasn't deemed fit enough to make the bench. Danny Williams only just returned to training and came on, on Saturday. Hopefully Sabiri will get his chance though, he'd be a decent option in the Championship. Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. Correct. Technically he's still on loan at Boro. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 1, 2019 13:29:44 GMT 1
I bet he's gutted to leave Boro. I imagine the culture of things like the Transporter Bridge & the seaside delights of Wilton eventually became too much for him...
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 1, 2019 13:30:00 GMT 1
Why can't he play? Sabiri played for Germany U-21s in midweek and wasn't deemed fit enough to make the bench. Danny Williams only just returned to training and came on, on Saturday. Hopefully Sabiri will get his chance though, he'd be a decent option in the Championship. Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. Doesn't that go out the window if Boro want to send him back? Mutually agree termination of the loan? |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 1, 2019 13:32:26 GMT 1
Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. Doesn't that go out the window if Boro want to send him back? Mutually agree termination of the loan? Nope. They are clearly just happy for him to train with us rather than them as they have no inclination of using him. He can't play for us, his season is done. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 1, 2019 13:38:57 GMT 1
Doesn't that go out the window if Boro want to send him back? Mutually agree termination of the loan? Nope. They are clearly just happy for him to train with us rather than them as they have no inclination of using him. He can't play for us, his season is done. Hopefully he cracks on in training, impresses Jan and comes back as the player we know he can be. The winger that tore the Championship full backs to pieces. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 1, 2019 13:53:56 GMT 1
Nope. They are clearly just happy for him to train with us rather than them as they have no inclination of using him. He can't play for us, his season is done. Hopefully he cracks on in training, impresses Jan and comes back as the player we know he can be. The winger that tore the Championship full backs to pieces. And then went did another Cruyff turn, went to beat his man again, again & again, finishing off the third time he'd beaten him with a cross that gave the (now amassed in numbers) opposition defence, something to clear... Marmite player, clearly talented but just fannied around too much. I agree though, maybe he's coming back now realising next season is his only chance to prove his true worth, there's a good player in there for definite... |
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Post by bigtruck on Apr 1, 2019 13:57:01 GMT 1
Cos it was a window to window loan and you cant have recall clauses in them these days. Oh well. Was a strange decision to loan him out in the first instance, given our lack of credible attacking options. As I said before it wasn’t for footballing reasons he was loaned out |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 1, 2019 14:02:01 GMT 1
Hopefully he cracks on in training, impresses Jan and comes back as the player we know he can be. The winger that tore the Championship full backs to pieces. And then went did another Cruyff turn, went to beat his man again, again & again, finishing off the third time he'd beaten him with a cross that gave the (now amassed in numbers) opposition defence, something to clear... Marmite player, clearly talented but just fannied around too much. I agree though, maybe he's coming back now realising next season is his only chance to prove his true worth, there's a good player in there for definite... I'd of taken a Cruyff turn or 30 with no end product this season, least its a bit exciting and a bit of flair? We've had nothing near the sort of off your seat entertainment since he was dropped, its just been recycling the ball out wide, cross, miss Mounie and repeat |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 1, 2019 14:08:50 GMT 1
Oh well. Was a strange decision to loan him out in the first instance, given our lack of credible attacking options. As I said before it wasn’t for footballing reasons he was loaned out The bad egg bit seems strange cos he seemed to be right at the centre of the harmony in the squad in the Championship. Smithy called him and Kachunga Tweedledum and Tweedledee |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Apr 1, 2019 14:12:12 GMT 1
Can he play in u23s as over age ? Similar to Jayden Brown's loan return?
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Post by royrace on Apr 1, 2019 16:37:21 GMT 1
Exactly, massive part of our success last season and the one before. Staggering how many people can't or won't see it. Like marmite...or a modern day David Cowling. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Dave Cowling was one of the best crossers of the ball I've ever seen at Town, and scored some goals as well. Whatever VLP's strengths are, and even his supporters only seem able to offer that "he gets us up the field" (whatever that may mean) he is not in the same class as Cowling in terms of end product, nowhere near. His crossing and finishing really are dreadful. I know some of VLP's supporters try to educate me occasionally, by explaining what "getting us up the field" means and implying that I don't understand football tactics, but they do seem to accept that that is his main strength - a hell of a luxury to carry. It's only my opinion but I wouldn't have him back just for his diving alone - it not only became a weekly thing, literally, but put even Flo to shame, and that's saying something. I had hoped that Middlesborough would take him but accepted that as soon as he went there "on trial" that would never happen. They're not daft. Yes I'm aware of the traits of both players thanks, as someone has said if you combined their best bits it would be some player! The similarity is the way they are either loved or (irrationally) hated, personally I was/am a massive fan of both whilst being able to acknowledge their deficiencies. Both contributed massively to the clubs success at the time they played and yet seem(ed) to have more haters than supporters. The argument of what VLP brings has been done to death or here and if you watched every game he played in the champ and still cant see it then there's no hope. All wingers and flair players frustrate, you just have to take the rough with the smooth unless you're paying > £50M and even then its not guaranteed. The thing that hopefully you can acknowledge at least is that he is the best winger at the club despite the fact we spent a combined ~£25M on 3 of them in the summer. That should tell you something at least and its not only that the lads brought in were massively overrated. I suspect the fact the club brought 3 inferior ones in on probably double his salary to take his place is why he spat his dummy out but I'm guessing. All I know is he seemed to have a decent relationship with Wagner til this season. Anyhow, looking forward to seeing how he looks in Jan's team. |
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Post by explorer on Apr 1, 2019 19:04:55 GMT 1
He can’t shoot, he can’t cross and he falls down a lot. He couldn’t get in our team, he couldn’t get in Boro’s Championship side - not even on the bench - and yet some people see him as The Messiah, ready to tear defences apart next season?
His failings as a wingback were in the offensive duties- he defended well and “got us up the field” well. However that was under Wagner’s system - hopefully next season we will be playing with wingers not wingbacks so the emphasis for them will be on delivering in the final third - and Rajiv is not equipped for that.
We need better - whether we get it is another question but VLP...not for me, I’m afraid.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 1, 2019 19:30:47 GMT 1
Hopefully play him in last few games, build team around him next season.
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 1, 2019 19:37:40 GMT 1
Hopefully play him in last few games, build team around him next season. Did you read the above Nick? He cannot play for us as per the terms of his loan. Unless we send him out in disguise, maybe as Depoitre. Who would notice? |
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Post by C.H on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:29 GMT 1
He can’t shoot, he can’t cross and he falls down a lot. He couldn’t get in our team, he couldn’t get in Boro’s Championship side - not even on the bench - and yet some people see him as The Messiah, ready to tear defences apart next season? His failings as a wingback were in the offensive duties- he defended well and “got us up the field” well. However that was under Wagner’s system - hopefully next season we will be playing with wingers not wingbacks so the emphasis for them will be on delivering in the final third - and Rajiv is not equipped for that. We need better - whether we get it is another question but VLP...not for me, I’m afraid. Can diakhaby or mbenza shoot or cross for 23million or would you rather have van la parra for 750k? |
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Post by explorer on Apr 1, 2019 20:39:37 GMT 1
He can’t shoot, he can’t cross and he falls down a lot. He couldn’t get in our team, he couldn’t get in Boro’s Championship side - not even on the bench - and yet some people see him as The Messiah, ready to tear defences apart next season? His failings as a wingback were in the offensive duties- he defended well and “got us up the field” well. However that was under Wagner’s system - hopefully next season we will be playing with wingers not wingbacks so the emphasis for them will be on delivering in the final third - and Rajiv is not equipped for that. We need better - whether we get it is another question but VLP...not for me, I’m afraid. Can diakhaby or mbenza shoot or cross for 23million or would you rather have van la parra for 750k? On current form I’d rather have neither. But if you want me to choose...VLP is 27/28? he’s not going to get any better whereas the other two are young lads with a lot of potential. Jan has already shown his hand re. the youngsters and style of play he is looking for and for me VLP doesn’t fit the bill. Was he value at £750K? Absolutely but we need to look the future. |
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Post by C.H on Apr 1, 2019 21:00:10 GMT 1
Van la parra is the future unless we get new wingers in and get rid of them all he is the best winger we have
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 1, 2019 22:02:27 GMT 1
Could be worse we could have hammil and scannel running up the wings next season.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 1, 2019 22:11:08 GMT 1
He can’t shoot, he can’t cross and he falls down a lot. He couldn’t get in our team, he couldn’t get in Boro’s Championship side - not even on the bench - and yet some people see him as The Messiah, ready to tear defences apart next season? His failings as a wingback were in the offensive duties- he defended well and “got us up the field” well. However that was under Wagner’s system - hopefully next season we will be playing with wingers not wingbacks so the emphasis for them will be on delivering in the final third - and Rajiv is not equipped for that. We need better - whether we get it is another question but VLP...not for me, I’m afraid. Once again - VLP can’t get in the bench at Boro because Pulis does not like flair players. As you may have seen from recent results, his plan and style of playing have now seen them drop out of the play off positions. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 1, 2019 22:14:07 GMT 1
Van la parra is the future unless we get new wingers in and get rid of them all he is the best winger we have Let’s get him ready for next season. Jan likes to play in a more positive style which would suit VLP. Most positive skilful player we have had for a long, long time and terrifies Championship defenders. |
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