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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 3, 2019 21:49:45 GMT 1
You are miles out on this. Only time will tell but I guarantee they will have far better careers than VLP I can't believe that I agree with kongolo, but I do.....if he can't get in Boro's side, he ain't gonna get in ours! The Boro manager who refuses to select him is probably about to get the sack as his team plummets down the table and out of the play off places. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 3, 2019 22:00:01 GMT 1
I rate Diakhaby and Mbenza so id rather come at it from that angle than bashing VLP but Shawsie and co seem to be accusing those 2 of not being good enough because they've had some dodgy games in their first season with us in the hardest league in the world while forgetting how many shite games VLP had for us in the Championship. Even at that level his poor games outweighed the ones where you walked away purring about how good he had been I sincerely hope I am kongolo....I really do. But on what I've seen, we bought two quick running athletes not footballers! They havent had dodgy games as such ....it's more their complete lack of contribution full stop - Wagner clearly didn't rate either and I'm not sure how anyone can given they've been absolute garbage in all but a game apiece. 12m plus for barely 2 decent games between em....that's not disappointing, it's absolute shite. Diakhaby showed against Arsenal he's far more than just a runner. If they both stay and avoid injury then we'll struggle to keep hold of them in January |
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Post by shawsie on Apr 3, 2019 22:09:35 GMT 1
I sincerely hope I am kongolo....I really do. But on what I've seen, we bought two quick running athletes not footballers! They havent had dodgy games as such ....it's more their complete lack of contribution full stop - Wagner clearly didn't rate either and I'm not sure how anyone can given they've been absolute garbage in all but a game apiece. 12m plus for barely 2 decent games between em....that's not disappointing, it's absolute shite. Diakhaby showed against Arsenal he's far more than just a runner. If they both stay and avoid injury then we'll struggle to keep hold of them in January If we pay any more money for mbenza we want shooting! |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 3, 2019 22:33:48 GMT 1
Diakhaby showed against Arsenal he's far more than just a runner. If they both stay and avoid injury then we'll struggle to keep hold of them in January If we pay any more money for mbenza we want shooting! I'd do it. It's a lot to spend but he would be a nightmare for defences in the Championship and we would eventually make a profit on him |
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Post by wigster on Apr 3, 2019 22:53:49 GMT 1
Normally I agree with much of what you write Kongolo but I have to say I think your miles out on this one.
Diakhaby, in my opinion, has had ONE decent game and shown flashes of being worth the money in one other one. Mbenza hasn't even done that. I would say that they are way below the level needed for the Premier league, and the Championship - the thought of relying on them on a cold November night at Wigan, or yes, Elland Road does not fill me with any confidence.
I hope you're right that for some reason, I'm not sure why, there going to come good but I've seen little from them other than flashes of pace. There are lots of reasons for our relegation but buying them to supposedly solve a problem is certainly one of them. Different posters are absolutely certain that we do/do not have to buy Mbenza but, and again it's only my view, I could think of half a dozen Championship strikers I'd prefer, at half his alleged price and, I assume, the wages he's on. His career stats say he's scored 24 goals in 184 appearances.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 22:58:19 GMT 1
Personally quite excited about a VLP, Grant, Diakhaby front three next season
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 3, 2019 23:06:48 GMT 1
Normally I agree with much of what you write Kongolo but I have to say I think your miles out on this one. Diakhaby, in my opinion, has had ONE decent game and shown flashes of being worth the money in one other one. Mbenza hasn't even done that. I would say that they are way below the level needed for the Premier league, and the Championship - the thought of relying on them on a cold November night at Wigan, or yes, Elland Road does not fill me with any confidence. I hope you're right that for some reason, I'm not sure why, there going to come good but I've seen little from them other than flashes of pace. There are lots of reasons for our relegation but buying them to supposedly solve a problem is certainly one of them. Different posters are absolutely certain that we do/do not have to buy Mbenza but, and again it's only my view, I could think of half a dozen Championship strikers I'd prefer, at half his alleged price and, I assume, the wages he's on. His career stats say he's scored 24 goals in 184 appearances. I'm not sure there's many players with 12 Belgium under 21 caps knocking around for 5 million We haven't seen the best of him. Wagner was too focussed on improving the defensive side of his game and when he then got a chance under Siewart he pulled his calf. You don't play 12 games for Belgium under 21s if you're as shite as many on here try to make out Both he and Diakhaby looked ridiculously nervous in their early games. They also seemed to struggle with thinking quick enough before they were closed down. They were also soft in a challenge which will never help to endear you to the large chunk of town support who put so much weight on that. However, there were clear signs from late December that both had settled down and were getting to grips with this division. It could be a blessing in disguise that both got injured as it's probably improved our chances of keeping them this summer. If they had got a full run of games from January until May I think they would have shown they could be good signings for many top flight clubs in Europe |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 3, 2019 23:36:54 GMT 1
Normally I agree with much of what you write Kongolo but I have to say I think your miles out on this one. Diakhaby, in my opinion, has had ONE decent game and shown flashes of being worth the money in one other one. Mbenza hasn't even done that. I would say that they are way below the level needed for the Premier league, and the Championship - the thought of relying on them on a cold November night at Wigan, or yes, Elland Road does not fill me with any confidence. I hope you're right that for some reason, I'm not sure why, there going to come good but I've seen little from them other than flashes of pace. There are lots of reasons for our relegation but buying them to supposedly solve a problem is certainly one of them. Different posters are absolutely certain that we do/do not have to buy Mbenza but, and again it's only my view, I could think of half a dozen Championship strikers I'd prefer, at half his alleged price and, I assume, the wages he's on. His career stats say he's scored 24 goals in 184 appearances. I'm not sure there's many players with 12 Belgium under 21 caps knocking around for 5 million We haven't seen the best of him. Wagner was too focussed on improving the defensive side of his game and when he then got a chance under Siewart he pulled his calf. You don't play 12 games for Belgium under 21s if you're as shite as many on here try to make out Both he and Diakhaby looked ridiculously nervous in their early games. They also seemed to struggle with thinking quick enough before they were closed down. They were also soft in a challenge which will never help to endear you to the large chunk of town support who put so much weight on that. However, there were clear signs from late December that both had settled down and were getting to grips with this division. It could be a blessing in disguise that both got injured as it's probably improved our chances of keeping them this summer. If they had got a full run of games from January until May I think they would have shown they could be good signings for many top flight clubs in Europe Kongolo makes an excellent point regarding Wagner concentrating on his defensive duties. I think this restriction also applies to VLP. If he was told to retain possession at all costs this would be why he would sometimes come back with the ball from advanced positions rather than play a risky pass. Take the shackles off and you will see a much improved attacking threat in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 23:59:06 GMT 1
I can't believe that I agree with kongolo, but I do.....if he can't get in Boro's side, he ain't gonna get in ours! The Boro manager who refuses to select him is probably about to get the sack as his team plummets down the table and out of the play off places. Rajiv arrived at Boro with a back problem which both clubs were aware of. Not surprising Pulis hardly used him, never been fit enough in his entire stay. |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 4, 2019 0:26:00 GMT 1
I'm not sure there's many players with 12 Belgium under 21 caps knocking around for 5 million We haven't seen the best of him. Wagner was too focussed on improving the defensive side of his game and when he then got a chance under Siewart he pulled his calf. You don't play 12 games for Belgium under 21s if you're as shite as many on here try to make out Both he and Diakhaby looked ridiculously nervous in their early games. They also seemed to struggle with thinking quick enough before they were closed down. They were also soft in a challenge which will never help to endear you to the large chunk of town support who put so much weight on that. However, there were clear signs from late December that both had settled down and were getting to grips with this division. It could be a blessing in disguise that both got injured as it's probably improved our chances of keeping them this summer. If they had got a full run of games from January until May I think they would have shown they could be good signings for many top flight clubs in Europe Kongolo makes an excellent point regarding Wagner concentrating on his defensive duties. I think this restriction also applies to VLP. If he was told to retain possession at all costs this would be why he would sometimes come back with the ball from advanced positions rather than play a risky pass. Take the shackles off and you will see a much improved attacking threat in my opinion. VLP distribution was woeful and it will never get any better no matter how he tries the lad just cant hack it if he could play football he would not be playing for us. |
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Post by greyarea on Apr 4, 2019 1:08:11 GMT 1
Normally I agree with much of what you write Kongolo but I have to say I think your miles out on this one. Diakhaby, in my opinion, has had ONE decent game and shown flashes of being worth the money in one other one. Mbenza hasn't even done that. I would say that they are way below the level needed for the Premier league, and the Championship - the thought of relying on them on a cold November night at Wigan, or yes, Elland Road does not fill me with any confidence. I hope you're right that for some reason, I'm not sure why, there going to come good but I've seen little from them other than flashes of pace. There are lots of reasons for our relegation but buying them to supposedly solve a problem is certainly one of them. Different posters are absolutely certain that we do/do not have to buy Mbenza but, and again it's only my view, I could think of half a dozen Championship strikers I'd prefer, at half his alleged price and, I assume, the wages he's on. His career stats say he's scored 24 goals in 184 appearances. I'm not sure there's many players with 12 Belgium under 21 caps knocking around for 5 million We haven't seen the best of him. Wagner was too focussed on improving the defensive side of his game and when he then got a chance under Siewart he pulled his calf. You don't play 12 games for Belgium under 21s if you're as shite as many on here try to make out Both he and Diakhaby looked ridiculously nervous in their early games. They also seemed to struggle with thinking quick enough before they were closed down. They were also soft in a challenge which will never help to endear you to the large chunk of town support who put so much weight on that. However, there were clear signs from late December that both had settled down and were getting to grips with this division. It could be a blessing in disguise that both got injured as it's probably improved our chances of keeping them this summer. If they had got a full run of games from January until May I think they would have shown they could be good signings for many top flight clubs in Europe The price for Mbenza is not £5Million. I understand it to be £11Million or E11million. I don't know if the 11M was in sterling or Euros. |
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Post by shawsie on Apr 4, 2019 7:22:59 GMT 1
I'm not sure there's many players with 12 Belgium under 21 caps knocking around for 5 million We haven't seen the best of him. Wagner was too focussed on improving the defensive side of his game and when he then got a chance under Siewart he pulled his calf. You don't play 12 games for Belgium under 21s if you're as shite as many on here try to make out Both he and Diakhaby looked ridiculously nervous in their early games. They also seemed to struggle with thinking quick enough before they were closed down. They were also soft in a challenge which will never help to endear you to the large chunk of town support who put so much weight on that. However, there were clear signs from late December that both had settled down and were getting to grips with this division. It could be a blessing in disguise that both got injured as it's probably improved our chances of keeping them this summer. If they had got a full run of games from January until May I think they would have shown they could be good signings for many top flight clubs in Europe The price for Mbenza is not £5Million. I understand it to be £11Million or E11million. I don't know if the 11M was in sterling or Euros. I wouldn’t pay 11 m Turkish lira! He’s been worse than useless and his contribution at Watford was comedy gold - reminded me of a circus clown and only lasted 45 minutes. He might play for top clubs in Azerbaijan and Estonia, but he will have to be a million times better to get to top flight clubs in the big European leagues. I don’t care if he has 12 u21 caps for Belgium or 112 - he’s been eee awww for us. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 4, 2019 7:45:08 GMT 1
I know what the fee is. My comment was in response to wigster saying there are many better pllayers in the Championship for half his fee.
5 million gets naff all nowadays unless you uncover a gem like we have with Grant
It gets you a Nahki Wells or Gary Madine. 10 million gets you Tom Ince. 12 million gets you Alex Pritchard. 15 plus would get you a striker from Brentford
Bear that in mind when we have the chance to sign a 21 year old with lightning pace, a good cross on him and who is highly rated by the coaches of one of the best national sides in the world
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Post by royrace on Apr 4, 2019 8:27:34 GMT 1
This blind faith in Diakaby and Mbenza borders on bizarre, actually suggesting we'll be lucky to keep hold of them based on one game in a full season, and in Mbenzas case one take on at old Trafford and a single cross. Rofl
A lot of the unfounded faith seems to be because one of them plays for the Belgium under 21s which apparently means he must be brilliant. Probably best to have a think about players who have played for England under 21s over the years and how their top flight careers turned out.
These two have been a disaster, Diakaby is our player and I sincerely hope he kicks on, when he's contributed to the team and actually played some football matches you may be able to compare him to VLP. Until that point your argument is competent baseless.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 4, 2019 12:15:54 GMT 1
This blind faith in Diakaby and Mbenza borders on bizarre, actually suggesting we'll be lucky to keep hold of them based on one game in a full season, and in Mbenzas case one take on at old Trafford and a single cross. Rofl A lot of the unfounded faith seems to be because one of them plays for the Belgium under 21s which apparently means he must be brilliant. Probably best to have a think about players who have played for England under 21s over the years and how their top flight careers turned out. These two have been a disaster, Diakaby is our player and I sincerely hope he kicks on, when he's contributed to the team and actually played some football matches you may be able to compare him to VLP. Until that point your argument is competent baseless. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards i'm still waiting to see anything in VLP and thats over the 4 seasons he as been playing with us. |
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Post by wigster on Apr 4, 2019 13:46:52 GMT 1
I know what the fee is. My comment was in response to wigster saying there are many better pllayers in the Championship for half his fee. 5 million gets naff all nowadays unless you uncover a gem like we have with Grant It gets you a Nahki Wells or Gary Madine. 10 million gets you Tom Ince. 12 million gets you Alex Pritchard 15 plus would get you a striker from Brentford Bear that in mind when we have the chance to sign a 21 year old with lightning pace, a good cross on him and who is highly rated by the coaches of one of the best national sides in the world All about opinion as ever, Kongolo, although I think you're being a bit underhand mentioning Pritchard for 12 million !.Those Norwich supporters' views months ago that we'd bought the wrong midfielder from them have been proven right. I personally think that Pritchard has, as yet, been probably the biggest waste of money of the lot. Serious question Kongolo - is your opinion of Diakhaby and Mbenza based on, literally, 3 or 4 games when they've shown promise (or mainly speed) or based on something else? I suspect it's based on hope - that the flashes of excellent football you saw were representative of their true ability really, and you're ignoring/making excuses for everything else we've seen from them or know about them from their Town careers, or career statistics. I hope that their much more consistent letting us down, through lack of confidence, managers,injury,tactics,whatever is not their true form in English football and that they really will light up the more physically demanding,unembellished,"harder" football you get in the Championship. I really do hope Diakhaby comes good, but equally hope that we don't have to buy Mbenza. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Apr 4, 2019 13:59:48 GMT 1
This blind faith in Diakaby and Mbenza borders on bizarre, actually suggesting we'll be lucky to keep hold of them based on one game in a full season, and in Mbenzas case one take on at old Trafford and a single cross. Rofl A lot of the unfounded faith seems to be because one of them plays for the Belgium under 21s which apparently means he must be brilliant. Probably best to have a think about players who have played for England under 21s over the years and how their top flight careers turned out. These two have been a disaster, Diakaby is our player and I sincerely hope he kicks on, when he's contributed to the team and actually played some football matches you may be able to compare him to VLP. Until that point your argument is competent baseless. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards i'm still waiting to see anything in VLP and thats over the 4 seasons he as been playing with us. Can you show us on this doll where Rajiv touched you? |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 4, 2019 14:40:02 GMT 1
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 29, 2019 16:42:06 GMT 1
Class bring it on.
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Post by royrace on Apr 29, 2019 16:49:28 GMT 1
Nice to hear that at least one player wants to be here next season!
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 29, 2019 16:51:26 GMT 1
Nice to hear that at least one player wants to be here next season! He could be lonely, the way it looks so far 😂 |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 29, 2019 16:53:01 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Apr 29, 2019 16:59:42 GMT 1
Nice to hear that at least one player wants to be here next season! Do you mean the man who wanted to move on to bigger things. I know how dare he have ambition, he should have flat out said that Town were the absolute pinnacle of his career and he had now achieved greatness. |
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Post by explorer on Apr 29, 2019 17:20:00 GMT 1
He did move on - to a Championship bench. Good practice for next year if he insists on staying.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 29, 2019 17:27:05 GMT 1
Do you mean the man who wanted to move on to bigger things. I know how dare he have ambition, he should have flat out said that Town were the absolute pinnacle of his career and he had now achieved greatness. Still does not hide the fact you're suggesting he is loyal to Huddersfield. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 29, 2019 17:32:09 GMT 1
There’s a reason that VLP was a regular starter for David Wagner.
I hope he stays.
Some on here regard his move to Middlesbrough as a failure on his part when in reality the reason he didn’t play was the stubbornly defensive tactics of Tony Pulis.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 29, 2019 17:36:43 GMT 1
There’s a reason that VLP was a regular starter for David Wagner. I hope he stays. Some on here regard his move to Middlesbrough as a failure on his part when in reality the reason he didn’t play was the stubbornly defensive tactics of Tony Pulis. Lets keep Mounie too then we will have 2 non productive attacking players. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 29, 2019 17:43:03 GMT 1
There’s a reason that VLP was a regular starter for David Wagner. I hope he stays. Some on here regard his move to Middlesbrough as a failure on his part when in reality the reason he didn’t play was the stubbornly defensive tactics of Tony Pulis. Lets keep Mounie too then we will have 2 non productive attacking players. Sorry. I thought this thread was about VLP. Yet another person who fails to see what VLP gives us. He was instrumental in our transition play, this is why Wagner played him regularly and was an important factor in our promotion season and our PL survival season. VLP played to orders hence his attacking play was restricted because of this. When he’s let loose he has the ability to take defenders on and create space for others. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 17:46:36 GMT 1
There’s a reason that VLP was a regular starter for David Wagner. I hope he stays. Some on here regard his move to Middlesbrough as a failure on his part when in reality the reason he didn’t play was the stubbornly defensive tactics of Tony Pulis. Or, as has been stated before, we sent him there carrying a back injury. |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 29, 2019 17:56:42 GMT 1
Lets keep Mounie too then we will have 2 non productive attacking players. Sorry. I thought this thread was about VLP. Yet another person who fails to see what VLP gives us. He was instrumental in our transition play, this is why Wagner played him regularly and was an important factor in our promotion season and our PL survival season. VLP played to orders hence his attacking play was restricted because of this. When he’s let loose he has the ability to take defenders on and create space for others. Under Wagner he dropped him and then we spent far more time in the opposition half. Last season we struggled to pass the halfway line. Also VLP was the most subbed and dropped player i wonder why. |
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