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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 30, 2019 20:12:38 GMT 1
We basically raised the white flag when we went after Siewert. It'll take him a while to get us going by which time we're already down. As for the Season Ticket Price? £250 quid is bloody good value. But he wasn't signed up to save us from relegation was he? Even the most deluded of fans must accept we were down long before his appointment. This is one for next season, give the guy a chance. I've said on another thread who were we supposed to attract in our situation? At least we haven't brought in a mercenary who will be here till it suits, pocket whatever he can, then ride off into the sunset. Season tickets @ £250. £10.87 per match - If you went to watch Brighouse Town that is 8 quid per game to get in. West Ham v Liverpool Monday...just helping a pal....£65 face value!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:21:14 GMT 1
big signing in the pipeline before friday maybe....? anyone heard anything...any hope of this happening...does it even make any sense now ? fact is, no it doesn't...we know we're down..and after arsenal and chelsea have whupped us and the other rivals picking up points we could be relegated before the end of February...
Big signing in the pipeline? Not another turd..........
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Post by NumeroUno on Jan 30, 2019 21:10:06 GMT 1
Maybe what he meant by not sleepwalking into relegation was that we’re fully awake and actively walking, if not sprinting towards it.
I think most would be ok with it if we went down fighting but fucking hell we can’t even score.
Everything about the season has been a shambles and outright tinpot which most annoying of all just proves the point for all other clubs, media and neutrals looking on. We’re a shit northern cheap club and properly acting like one.
I had accepted relegation because I thought at least we could be competitive and be one of the favourites to get straight back up, but with this team performing as they are we’d be lucky to get mid table.
It’s been a mess this season from the top all the way down. Deans been ill admittedly but he or one of his delegates needs to get shit sorted out promptly or risk pissing the parachute payments up the wall just like many clubs before us.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jan 30, 2019 21:22:50 GMT 1
I'll be happy to leave the Premier League. Bar one or two exceptions its been lacking in excitement. The money spent on fees and wages is immoral. The journey there was amazing but the destination has been a disappointment
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 21:36:46 GMT 1
But he wasn't signed up to save us from relegation was he? Even the most deluded of fans must accept we were down long before his appointment. This is one for next season, give the guy a chance. I've said on another thread who were we supposed to attract in our situation? At least we haven't brought in a mercenary who will be here till it suits, pocket whatever he can, then ride off into the sunset. Season tickets @ £250. £10.87 per match - If you went to watch Brighouse Town that is 8 quid per game to get in. West Ham v Liverpool Monday...just helping a pal....£65 face value!!! Yrs ago (a long time ago) I worked with a Welsh lad who was keen on Spurs and went to a Monday night game at WHL. I can't remember the exact cost, but it was in the same ball park as you mention & back then it just amazed me that people would part with that sort of money without any guarantee of what was on the other side of the turnstile. We're very fortunate whichever side of the fence you sit... BTW, I'm talking close to 30yrs ago there, think about the comparative cost for a moment...
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 30, 2019 21:49:34 GMT 1
Its seems to me that Dean Hoyle is about to trust a relatively unknown with what remains of vital club funds which would surely include parachute payments if relegated
The parachute payments might be used in wages to try and keep our best players for at least another season with the view of being given at least one decent crack at coming straight back up.
There can be little or no room for error in what seems a last chance saloon situation plus this money is suppose to give us some kind of advantage over other non moving championship clubs.
Time now for Siewart to slowly start stripping the club back to basics , and our present form makes me wonder if we will get back anything near what we paid for certain players wanting to move on if relegated
Another big question is who would Jan retain from those premier league failures that just might be able to come up with the goods at a lower league level similar to what we have seen with Lolley at Forest
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 22:22:20 GMT 1
I'll be happy to leave the Premier League. Bar one or two exceptions its been lacking in excitement. The money spent on fees and wages is immoral. The journey there was amazing but the destination has been a disappointment I'm sorry for being a pedant but when do the fees and wages become immoral? People get big wages in life and dont perform, where is the cut off point for it to be immoral? Its the clubs fault if anything for employing these people anyhow, im sure it wouldnt be said if we were on 23 points or above the relegation zone
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Post by hedgehog17 on Jan 30, 2019 22:27:24 GMT 1
big signing in the pipeline before friday maybe....? anyone heard anything...any hope of this happening...does it even make any sense now ? fact is, no it doesn't...we know we're down..and after arsenal and chelsea have whupped us and the other rivals picking up points we could be relegated before the end of February...
Big signing in the pipeline? Not another turd..........
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 30, 2019 22:36:02 GMT 1
Whilst totally respecting Dean Hoyle's privacy - I truly hope that he is recovering, its important to remember also that he is the owner of the club. We have heard nothing from him since making this statement, apart from informing us that we should renew our Season Cards quickly to make sure that the 2,000 people on the waiting list don't nick our seats. As has been pointed out previously, does he not understand that these extra 2,000 people are only interested in watching Premier League football? His "Sleepwalking" statement was meant to encourage us all that the club would be fighting to stay in the Premier League. Since this statement we have signed Puncheon on loan ,a striker from Division 1 and clearly had no plans to act quickly in the transfer window.We have gone from being a truly competitive outfit in November (despite the results) to a very poor side in just 2 months.
It is obvious that we have now totally lost our identity - we have gone from being 2 players short of having a very competitive team (IMO) to becoming a team that would struggle in the Championship (again IMO )
I renewed my card(s) on the first Monday of sale - and like all true supporters will attend games no matter which league we are in, but I can't help but feel so very dissapointed that after all the hard work getting there we have had such a seriously flawed plan to enable us to compete this season.
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Post by specialun on Jan 30, 2019 22:42:21 GMT 1
Who is making these decisions?
Who is in charge here?
We’ve had 3 head of football / sporting director etc in less than 2 years - Impossible job?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 22:44:16 GMT 1
Whilst totally respecting Dean Hoyle's privacy - I truly hope that he is recovering, its important to remember also that he is the owner of the club. We have heard nothing from him since making this statement, apart from informing us that we should renew our Season Cards quickly to make sure that the 2,000 people on the waiting list don't nick our seats. As has been pointed out previously, does he not understand that these extra 2,000 people are only interested in watching Premier League football? His "Sleepwalking" statement was meant to encourage us all that the club would be fighting to stay in the Premier League. Since this statement we have signed Puncheon on loan ,a striker from Division 1 and clearly had no plans to act quickly in the transfer window.We have gone from being a truly competitive outfit in November (despite the results) to a very poor side in just 2 months. It is obvious that we have now totally lost our identity - we have gone from being 2 players short of having a very competitive team (IMO) to becoming a team that would struggle in the Championship (again IMO ) I renewed my card(s) on the first Monday of sale - and like all true supporters will attend games no matter which league we are in, but I can't help but feel so very dissapointed that after all the hard work getting there we have had such a seriously flawed plan to enable us to compete this season. You sound sensible enough to understand that sometimes plans only appear flawed after the event? The issue with a flawed plan, is that it's only ever flawed in the event of failure...
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 30, 2019 22:48:55 GMT 1
Whilst totally respecting Dean Hoyle's privacy - I truly hope that he is recovering, its important to remember also that he is the owner of the club. We have heard nothing from him since making this statement, apart from informing us that we should renew our Season Cards quickly to make sure that the 2,000 people on the waiting list don't nick our seats. As has been pointed out previously, does he not understand that these extra 2,000 people are only interested in watching Premier League football? His "Sleepwalking" statement was meant to encourage us all that the club would be fighting to stay in the Premier League. Since this statement we have signed Puncheon on loan ,a striker from Division 1 and clearly had no plans to act quickly in the transfer window.We have gone from being a truly competitive outfit in November (despite the results) to a very poor side in just 2 months. It is obvious that we have now totally lost our identity - we have gone from being 2 players short of having a very competitive team (IMO) to becoming a team that would struggle in the Championship (again IMO ) I renewed my card(s) on the first Monday of sale - and like all true supporters will attend games no matter which league we are in, but I can't help but feel so very dissapointed that after all the hard work getting there we have had such a seriously flawed plan to enable us to compete this season. You sound sensible enough to understand that sometimes plans only appear flawed after the event? The issue with a flawed plan, is that it's only ever flawed in the event of failure... I think just about everyone could tell that our summer recruitment and outgoings was seriously flawed before the season commenced personally.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 22:51:37 GMT 1
You sound sensible enough to understand that sometimes plans only appear flawed after the event? The issue with a flawed plan, is that it's only ever flawed in the event of failure... I think just about everyone could tell that our summer recruitment and outgoings was seriously flawed before the season commenced personally. There you go, using hindsight again...
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Post by royrace on Jan 30, 2019 22:57:39 GMT 1
Fair question point let me explain Spend on Kongolo, Lossl, Flo was not to improve what we had it was to retain the same as last year - that didn’t improve the team it kept it at the level it was Same previous year where buying Mooy, Kachunga, a no 10, keeper loan etc wasn’t adding to the team (though Lossl did) it was just to stand still. Bacuna probably doesn’t fit but cheap and potential replacing Whitehead - sensible. Durm in free, Malome our for a fee. Net net nil? Our model worked to get us up here but it meant we had to spend a certain amount a year behind just to stand still To push on we had to spend over and above We had a main job of improving the worst attack in the league What did we do? We bought Diakhaby £10m, Sobhi £5m (some suggest £3m but go for £5m), loan fee Mbenza ? Less £10m Ince = Net £5m plus loan fee That’s what we spent to improve the team ... How many games had Diakhaby started before he joined us. 13 A fundamental lack of investment to push on or improve I believe the intention for last summer was - secure the players we have (dont sell our performers and secure the loans) - supplement the squad with a few punts who could come good like bacuna and sobhi (much like the sabiri, payne, dempsey deals) - blow the rest on 2 players to improve the first 11 (~£30m) (who could in theory transform the side) first 2 were the easy part. we struggled with the last part in signing our key targets and didnt recover. we missed out on who we wanted and the clock was ticking, so panic bought (absolutely not true that mbenza was our key target all summer). Id hazard part of the reason we didnt spend more is we knew we were panic buying so went for cheaper, less rigorously scouted players the plan was probably to regroup for january with new targets. i still think hoyle had every intention of spending a few quid this january when he made his statement, but a combination of lost games and wagners exit changed our plans. I was told before wagner went we were after 2 players, sounds from the club that hasnt changed but i'm certain the targets will have. we will now likely bring in any 2 looking towards the championship Also I believe pritchard came out of this years budget but i could be wrong That's pretty much the way I see it although I never really saw the sense in the Sobhi deal, seemed he'd already tried and failed at Stoke. The huge mistake though IMO was selling one of last years key wingers and replacing him with 3 totally unproven ones, one of which was clearly (despite what we've been told) a last minute panic buy. Had Ince not been sold we could have started the season with last years team and formation and gradually introduced the new signings IF and when they earned the opportunity. With an improved Billing, Lowe, Hogg, Mooy and probably Ince we'd have been even more competitive than last season. You'd also protect team spirit by making sure new signings had to force their way into the squad. You'd then have January to further strengthen because if they had done the above there is no chance in hell we'd be relegated before the window opened. Ill thought out, naive and reckless to sell Ince without proven top quality coming in to replace him, utter fecking stupidity. I'd love to hear Wagner's take on it. You can also add selling Hef to the list of stupid fecking decisions when vs Man City away, second game of the season we only have one young, inexperienced CB who's barely played in the champ in the squad and we're forced to play a stupid formation and a right back at centre back. Seriously mindbogglingly stupid decisions, the in-comings very expensive in terms of £ but the stupid sales have killed us almost as much. Towns history is littered with stupid decisions, the ones in the summer probably top the lot unless we can manage to get back up again before the parachute payments run out. At least in the past its been very much a case of needs must. This time we're sat on a pile of £100M+ premier league loot and we still managed a self inflicted mother of all feck ups.
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Post by specialun on Jan 30, 2019 22:58:40 GMT 1
Whilst totally respecting Dean Hoyle's privacy - I truly hope that he is recovering, its important to remember also that he is the owner of the club. We have heard nothing from him since making this statement, apart from informing us that we should renew our Season Cards quickly to make sure that the 2,000 people on the waiting list don't nick our seats. As has been pointed out previously, does he not understand that these extra 2,000 people are only interested in watching Premier League football? His "Sleepwalking" statement was meant to encourage us all that the club would be fighting to stay in the Premier League. Since this statement we have signed Puncheon on loan ,a striker from Division 1 and clearly had no plans to act quickly in the transfer window.We have gone from being a truly competitive outfit in November (despite the results) to a very poor side in just 2 months. It is obvious that we have now totally lost our identity - we have gone from being 2 players short of having a very competitive team (IMO) to becoming a team that would struggle in the Championship (again IMO ) I renewed my card(s) on the first Monday of sale - and like all true supporters will attend games no matter which league we are in, but I can't help but feel so very dissapointed that after all the hard work getting there we have had such a seriously flawed plan to enable us to compete this season. As will I. But - Completely agree, we bottled it! The Board that is - too cautious / negative £5m (& loan fee / signing on) net spend to improve the team that finished last season. Nonsense. This season’s lack of investment (in July) not far from being on a par with selling Stewart. Only this time rather than giving up chasing it we had it and threw it away then gave up. Relied too much on Wagner’s ability to over achieve At best - very naive
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 30, 2019 23:03:04 GMT 1
I think just about everyone could tell that our summer recruitment and outgoings was seriously flawed before the season commenced personally. There you go, using hindsight again... Do you know what hindsight means?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 30, 2019 23:05:50 GMT 1
Not only has the summer recruitment fucked us, but we were always battling against the constant 'happy to be here' small club, punching above our weight rhetoric coming from the club.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 23:06:11 GMT 1
There you go, using hindsight again... Do you know what hindsight means? Yeah, but you made me double check just in case my anecdotal view wasn't somehow pedantically flawed. Could you explain your point?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 30, 2019 23:07:13 GMT 1
Whilst totally respecting Dean Hoyle's privacy - I truly hope that he is recovering, its important to remember also that he is the owner of the club. We have heard nothing from him since making this statement, apart from informing us that we should renew our Season Cards quickly to make sure that the 2,000 people on the waiting list don't nick our seats. As has been pointed out previously, does he not understand that these extra 2,000 people are only interested in watching Premier League football? His "Sleepwalking" statement was meant to encourage us all that the club would be fighting to stay in the Premier League. Since this statement we have signed Puncheon on loan ,a striker from Division 1 and clearly had no plans to act quickly in the transfer window.We have gone from being a truly competitive outfit in November (despite the results) to a very poor side in just 2 months. It is obvious that we have now totally lost our identity - we have gone from being 2 players short of having a very competitive team (IMO) to becoming a team that would struggle in the Championship (again IMO ) I renewed my card(s) on the first Monday of sale - and like all true supporters will attend games no matter which league we are in, but I can't help but feel so very dissapointed that after all the hard work getting there we have had such a seriously flawed plan to enable us to compete this season. As will I. But - Completely agree, we bottled it! The Board that is - too cautious / negative £5m (& loan fee / signing on) net spend to improve the team that finished last season. Nonsense. This season’s lack of investment (in July) not far from being on a par with selling Stewart. Only this time rather than giving up chasing it we had it and threw it away then gave up. Relied too much on Wagner’s ability to over achieve At best - very naive 5 million net spend? That isn't right surely
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 23:07:33 GMT 1
Not only has the summer recruitment fucked us, but we were always battling against the constant 'happy to be here' small club, punching above our weight rhetoric coming from the club. What sort of rhetoric do you want to hear? Do you think us being all big Billy big bollocks would have resulted in a different outcome?
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 30, 2019 23:09:59 GMT 1
Do you know what hindsight means? Yeah, but you made me double check just in case my anecdotal view wasn't somehow pedantically flawed. Could you explain your point? The poster said he or she could see in the summer that our plan was flawed, so was actually worried at the time of signings/selling.
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 30, 2019 23:13:16 GMT 1
I'll be happy to leave the Premier League. Bar one or two exceptions its been lacking in excitement. The money spent on fees and wages is immoral. The journey there was amazing but the destination has been a disappointment I could not agree with you more, woeful officials followed by cheating, over payed, over rated, players who walk like a Chicken with their goal celebration "last night".It is great to see some of the best players in the world, but football has changed in the greedy league and changed for the worse.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 23:15:25 GMT 1
Yeah, but you made me double check just in case my anecdotal view wasn't somehow pedantically flawed. Could you explain your point? The poster said he or she could see in the summer that our plan was flawed, so was actually worried at the time of signings/selling. To quote the OP... I think just about everyone could tell that our summer recruitment and outgoings was seriously flawed before the season commenced personally. I couldn't tell, could you,? A significant assumption/speaking on behalf of others there? Speaking objectively, albeit I understand the challenge of anyone trying to speak/claim being objective in our current state, did you think we'd fucked it up back in Aug. What constitutes "just about everyone"... A bit of a sweeping statement.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 30, 2019 23:20:34 GMT 1
Yeah, but you made me double check just in case my anecdotal view wasn't somehow pedantically flawed. Could you explain your point? The poster said he or she could see in the summer that our plan was flawed, so was actually worried at the time of signings/selling. That's Mystic Meg that is.....
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Post by Stiggy on Jan 30, 2019 23:23:01 GMT 1
Frustrating isn’t it....even in preseason most could see that the new signings were no where near good enough, but I suppose we all thought and hoped the club knew something we didn’t, but they didn’t!
I’d love to know who put these players forward because they literally came from nowhere and looking at their past stats there’s nothing to suggest they had anything about them, so what did we see in them that was so promising and why did we pay so much??
Surely there’s better and cheaper young players in academy’s all around the country then these jokers?
So many questions and not many answers.
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Post by mrbluesky on Jan 31, 2019 0:07:34 GMT 1
I like to think I'm a glass half full bloke and when it comes to the Town I have always defended them however right now I still feel angry and very deflated cause we have blown it - we found the golden ticket and lost it.
I have actually loved the premier league , the only disappointment for me has been the referees , the officials have been woeful and it's no wonder we had no officials from premier league at the World Cup cause they are woeful. In terms of premier league players from almost all the teams I have seen I have loved the skills many have shown but also admired the work rate they put in - the top players work a lot harder than I ever thought they did.
I really wanted us to stay in this league and for me we did the hard bit and had the luck staying up last season .
This summer was the big one and the board and managemement needed to be on their A-Game and in my opinion they blew it , bottled it and lost the best opportunity to happen to Town in my 46 years supporting this wonderful club.
I have always defended Town when presenting them (some would say promoting) to anyone that would listen to stories of our great past however when we got the chance to present ourselves to the big wide world we started to present ourselves as "little ole Huddersfield" ..... I for one hated it when Wagner ( who I will remain Eternally grateful to) continually stated that we need to remember who we are and that we are a small Town club .... Maybe it suited his own agenda to present us this way ! - well actually we are not a small Town Huddersfield is one of the biggest if not the biggest Town in the UK and we're certainly not a small club neither....... Why did we behave and present ourselves this way - I would have done the opposite but without arrogance , I loved Wagners comment stating that " We are not in the premier league just to say hello" - this was the mantra to adopt not little old chuffing Huddersfield.
We have tried to do it on the cheap , you could even say " a discount football club" and we have totally blown our chance .......... I could cry , a lot of us have waited a long time for top flight football - my first game was 1973 😪
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 0:40:10 GMT 1
Yes I'm totally miffed too with the lack of anything from the owner/club since the sleepwalking message other than asking us for cash for season card renewal. I communicate regularly with lots of fans of other clubs through friends, family & colleagues up & down the country. Interestingly many feel that we always come across like we're this poor little club with no money to spend & like we're just happy to be here surviving and will never be in a position to compete with anyone. People have pointed out though that our owner is far from being poor and is in the top 200 rich list has been for years. Also that yes there are some dodgy owners and some very rich owners, however there are far more good genuine owners who are not as rich as ours who don't have to be lifelong fans either to be decent and want the best for their clubs and infact do also invest in their clubs to help them compete as it helps bring success for all. Just because our owner Is a fan and wealthy businessmen, It does not mean he cannot be criticised ever.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Jan 31, 2019 0:56:02 GMT 1
Not only has the summer recruitment fucked us, but we were always battling against the constant 'happy to be here' small club, punching above our weight rhetoric coming from the club. When Dean gave Winter the top job,.. the guy who never got out of his seat when Shindler put that pen home at Wembley, told me he's not going to go over and above board for our great club. Why was the DOF left vacent for 8 bloody months ? Rebbe got the bullet but he didn't have much time now did he. Wagner was our man, but IMO was let down by the club big style on recruitment The club's not telling us who really scouted these players or why we went for wingers in the first place. Wagner wanted them but didn't play them ? Not his choice of winger Everybody and his dog knew we needed a Striker or even 2 but the club decided differently. Spending £20mm on a left back instead of a forward was not a decision I would have made, ever though he's a good player we could have covered that position. We needed a Striker, STILL do but nothing doing yet ! The frustrating life of a Town Fan, and I wanted that Man City fan I met on holiday saying " you'll soon be back where you came from, League one" to be very wrong. Arrogant twat ! Just hope Siewert isn't ruined by the rest of this season UTT
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Post by willo on Jan 31, 2019 1:20:28 GMT 1
Maybe what he meant by not sleepwalking into relegation was that we’re fully awake and actively walking, if not sprinting towards it. I think most would be ok with it if we went down fighting but fucking hell we can’t even score. Everything about the season has been a shambles and outright tinpot which most annoying of all just proves the point for all other clubs, media and neutrals looking on. We’re a shit northern cheap club and properly acting like one. I had accepted relegation because I thought at least we could be competitive and be one of the favourites to get straight back up, but with this team performing as they are we’d be lucky to get mid table. It’s been a mess this season from the top all the way down. Deans been ill admittedly but he or one of his delegates needs to get shit sorted out promptly or risk pissing the parachute payments up the wall just like many clubs before us. There have been some really good posts on this thread these last few hours & the above one absolutely sums up how I feel, couldn’t have put it better myself. What I would like to know is why there has been nothing coming out of the club during this dismal run with the exception of the “not sleepwalking into relegation” stuff. I appreciate Dean has been seriously ill but what about Julian Winter coming out with a statement? And what about Sean Jarvis who has seemingly disappeared. He always had something to say when things were going great. The silence is deafening. The fans are rightly royally pissed off and/or apathetic and a statement from the club would at least calm things down a little and appease some.
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Post by Melc on Jan 31, 2019 1:23:29 GMT 1
Trying like hell to be as positive as possible, but reading things on here i have visions of us being in a total mess by the end of the season.
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