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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2019 12:26:44 GMT 1
We had all dreamed of being in the Premier League..and that penalty shoot out will live in my memory for ever, and the celebrations in St George's square..our first season was really good, and staying up was brilliant...that last game against Arsenal was party time..It's galling now that we've become so much worse this season and not better as we had all assumed..not only have we recruited badly but the soul of the club has gone, the players have 'lost it' and our spirit with David Wagner has gone too... what we are left with is a pale shadow of last season...No wonder the fans are unhappy. Mistakes have definitely been made last summer and we are 100% relegated back to the Championship. I'm as upset and disappointed as anyone that we've literally thrown away our chance to stay in the PL but I'm equally happy that I've had the 'experience' and enjoyed some unforgetable moments along the way.
It's hard to think of positives at the moment I know, but we'll always be able to say we were in the PL, we beat Man Utd, we drew at Citeh and Chelsea...we were there...we were at Palace that opening day lasy season...full of hope... Reality is tough, but we'll be back...we'll rebuild in the Championship and we'll be pushing the top end of the table..we'll get excited again, we'll be packing the stadium and we'll have hope...
I believe ! ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:30:25 GMT 1
Last time we got relegated from the top flight, we didn't win a single league game from late-November through to season's end.....not one.
Shit happens.....could happen gain.
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Post by impact on Jan 30, 2019 12:55:39 GMT 1
He'd started just 13. Look at his minutes, his total career playing time amounted to fewer than 25 full games. Fair point, but then at only 22 you would probably have expected him to have come off the bench quite a lot of times. The point was we spent £10m on a completely unknown punt that was meant to improve our squad. He hasn't.
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Post by loumacari on Jan 30, 2019 13:03:36 GMT 1
Fair point, but then at only 22 you would probably have expected him to have come off the bench quite a lot of times. The point was we spent £10m on a completely unknown punt that was meant to improve our squad. He hasn't. And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here....
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 30, 2019 13:28:43 GMT 1
The point was we spent £10m on a completely unknown punt that was meant to improve our squad. He hasn't. And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here.... What do you think we should be doing, make Mourhinio on offer he can't refuse, see if City will accept £75M for Agüero, or if Klopp will part with Salah for similar? The reason Schindler was our record signing at £1.8M just two years ago is because it's been about 90 years since we were a dominant side in the football league and as we are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base we have try and compete as best we can.
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Post by loumacari on Jan 30, 2019 13:32:51 GMT 1
And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here.... What do you think we should be doing, make Mourhinio on offer he can't refuse, see if City will accept £75M for Agüero, or if Klopp will part with Salah for similar? The reason Schindler was our record signing at £1.8M just two years ago is because it's been about 90 years since we were a dominant side in the football league and as we are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base we have try and compete as best we can. Maybe look at appointing someone with some experience and a track record, so that we don’t blow the best opportunity this club has had in half a century to build a lasting legacy?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 30, 2019 13:37:46 GMT 1
Hefele Ince Lolley Payne would have walked into that team tonight Next season Ince, lolley and Payne would all be quality squad members. We will regret two of those going and if what I have heard is correct Payne is pretty much gone too.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jan 30, 2019 13:41:57 GMT 1
We will struggle in the Championship with this team Please don't make me feel worse than I already do. Surely with parachute money, and with Deano's astute financial management, we can bring in some decent quality players to steady the ship.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 30, 2019 13:43:54 GMT 1
What do you think we should be doing, make Mourhinio on offer he can't refuse, see if City will accept £75M for Agüero, or if Klopp will part with Salah for similar? The reason Schindler was our record signing at £1.8M just two years ago is because it's been about 90 years since we were a dominant side in the football league and as we are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base we have try and compete as best we can. Maybe look at appointing someone with some experience and a track record, so that we don’t blow the best opportunity this club has had in half a century to build a lasting legacy? Like Mark Hughes or Alan Pardew or Sam Allardyce or David Moyes? I could go on. No thank you I'll take what we've got thanks. As for lasting legacy's Canalside is still being re-developed as far as I know. As long as you've got the likes of Pochettino coming out with comments like 'cups are for ego's' football is in danger of disappearing up it's own arse very soon and personally I couldn't care less when it does. Thought football was a sport ie you try and win as many competitions as you can. Apparently not, unless you're Pep of course and fair play to him.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 30, 2019 13:44:03 GMT 1
The thing is that because the players hadn't given up playing for Wagner we were not going to get that bounce that teams normally get. Instead we need them to quickly get used to the change of manager and take on his ways, it will take 3-4 games before that happens.
We need to finish strongly and we need to get someone in to help us out with sorting the recruitment etc.
I would be going all out to pursuade Ross Wilson back.
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Post by canuckterrier99 on Jan 30, 2019 13:47:32 GMT 1
The point was we spent £10m on a completely unknown punt that was meant to improve our squad. He hasn't. And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here.... Yeah, look how well that worked out last time
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 30, 2019 13:51:36 GMT 1
We will struggle in the Championship with this team Please don't make me feel worse than I already do. Surely with parachute money, and with Deano's astute financial management, we can bring in some decent quality players to steady the ship. I don't have much faith I'm afraid. In the summer we should have strengthened our squad but we got one in and immediately let Ince go. That isn't how to build a strong squad, that's how to keep costs down and exactly how we operated in the championship and league one. Perhaps the easy bit was getting into the premier, the hard bit was changing the habits of a lifetime.
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Post by Hertfordshire Town Fan on Jan 30, 2019 13:56:01 GMT 1
Please don't make me feel worse than I already do. Surely with parachute money, and with Deano's astute financial management, we can bring in some decent quality players to steady the ship. I don't have much faith I'm afraid. In the summer we should have strengthened our squad but we got one in and immediately let Ince go. That isn't how to build a strong squad, that's how to keep costs down and exactly how we operated in the championship and league one. Perhaps the easy bit was getting into the premier, the hard bit was changing the habits of a lifetime. Sums it up for me.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 30, 2019 13:57:19 GMT 1
Maybe look at appointing someone with some experience and a track record, so that we don’t blow the best opportunity this club has had in half a century to build a lasting legacy? Like Mark Hughes or Alan Pardew or Sam Allardyce or David Moyes? I could go on. No thank you I'll take what we've got thanks. As for lasting legacy's Canalside is still being re-developed as far as I know. As long as you've got the likes of Pochettino coming out with comments like 'cups are for ego's' football is in danger of disappearing up it's own arse very soon and personally I couldn't care less when it does. Thought football was a sport ie you try and win as many competitions as you can. Apparently not, unless you're Pep of course and fair play to him. What Pochettino said was worrying and embarrassing in equal measure, Klopp put him straight though and said that mentality doesn't wash at Liverpool and rightly so. Just shows the rise of CL how it has squashed everything else under foot.
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Post by impact on Jan 30, 2019 14:00:20 GMT 1
The point was we spent £10m on a completely unknown punt that was meant to improve our squad. He hasn't. And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here.... Yeah that last one we got was shit, wasn't he?
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Post by eadey on Jan 30, 2019 14:02:59 GMT 1
The thing is that because the players hadn't given up playing for Wagner we were not going to get that bounce that teams normally get. Instead we need them to quickly get used to the change of manager and take on his ways, it will take 3-4 games before that happens. Unfortunately, most teams that achieve the 'bounce' after appointing a new manager do so because they have premier league quality players underperforming. Under Wagner, we had Championship quality players over-performing ........different proposition!
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 30, 2019 14:04:43 GMT 1
What do you think we should be doing, make Mourhinio on offer he can't refuse, see if City will accept £75M for Agüero, or if Klopp will part with Salah for similar? The reason Schindler was our record signing at £1.8M just two years ago is because it's been about 90 years since we were a dominant side in the football league and as we are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base we have try and compete as best we can. Maybe look at appointing someone with some experience and a track record, so that we don’t blow the best opportunity this club has had in half a century to build a lasting legacy? The reason we can blow the chance of a legacy is we took a punt on Wagner but now you want to sell the family silver and remortgage on an Allardyce ?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 30, 2019 14:10:14 GMT 1
The thing is that because the players hadn't given up playing for Wagner we were not going to get that bounce that teams normally get. Instead we need them to quickly get used to the change of manager and take on his ways, it will take 3-4 games before that happens. Unfortunately, most teams that achieve the 'bounce' after appointing a new manager do so because they have premier league quality players underperforming. Under Wagner, we had Championship quality players over-performing ........different proposition! That's the point I made.
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jan 30, 2019 14:25:57 GMT 1
Maybe look at appointing someone with some experience and a track record, so that we don’t blow the best opportunity this club has had in half a century to build a lasting legacy? The reason we can blow the chance of a legacy is we took a punt on Wagner but now you want to sell the family silver and remortgage on an Allardyce ? New guy has had 1 game - I'm all for giving him till the end of the season and see what he can do; forget staying up, we're long gone. December made it so. And this too little too late transfer window activity. Someone has royally fucked up - exactly what were they thinking ? was there a plan or was it flying a kite, FFS ? Hoyle ? Wagner ? Rebbe ? Winter ? I doubt we'll ever really find out. If Hoyle's health issues played a big part in this then there should have been continuity plans - much has been made in public of us having continuity plans for Wagner's leaving ... BUT if by the end of the season the job looks too big for JS we need to be ruthless - and if that means biting the bullet and paying him what he's entitled to, it has to be. If so, pray Jokanovic is still unemployed and give him control of the purse
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 30, 2019 14:40:59 GMT 1
Or say bollocks to it, lose at Chelsea, sack the bee manager and get Harry Redknapp out of retirement offer him £10M a year in wages and a free hand to sign any players he wants on whatever wages they demand. In two years time we'll either be FA Cup holders and established in the PL or bankrupt, in administration and going out of business but it's alright because there's always a Ken Davy to save the day.
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Post by terrierpark on Jan 30, 2019 16:24:45 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation" ......No there is no chance of that as we are in a fookin Coma.
I wont miss the diving and cheating and the pathetic bias of the referees but I cant help but feel FLAT by it all.
The season ticket announcement the other week takes the piss. We have had nothing to cheer all bloody season but hey renew now for next season as if everythings going to be ok. Before our dwindling amount of players worth keeping leave , before we have to listen to the we cant compete tale. If the club and half of its fans want to believe even after achieving the Ptemership and the magic pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that we really are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base and have try and compete as best we can, then what is there to watch,to support? There is no dream, no hope we can ever be big again. We will never buy the matchwining star player because we wont spend any money except lots of it on lots of rubbish players and we musnt break our wage structure. It all feels hopeless and lost before a ball is kicked.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 30, 2019 16:43:46 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation" ......No there is no chance of that as we are in a fookin Coma. I wont miss the diving and cheating and the pathetic bias of the referees but I cant help but feel FLAT by it all. The season ticket announcement the other week takes the piss. We have had nothing to cheer all bloody season but hey renew now for next season as if everythings going to be ok. Before our dwindling amount of players worth keeping leave , before we have to listen to the we cant compete tale. If the club and half of its fans want to believe even after achieving the Ptemership and the magic pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that we really are a small, inconsequential northern town with a small fan base and have try and compete as best we can, then what is there to watch,to support? There is no dream, no hope we can ever be big again. We will never buy the matchwining star player because we wont spend any money except lots of it on lots of rubbish players and we musnt break our wage structure. It all feels hopeless and lost before a ball is kicked. £249 season tickets is 'taking the piss'? what are they supposed to do, refuse to sell any tickets unless we start winning? let people in for free?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 30, 2019 17:00:04 GMT 1
We basically raised the white flag when we went after Siewert. It'll take him a while to get us going by which time we're already down.
As for the Season Ticket Price? £250 quid is bloody good value.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 30, 2019 18:04:56 GMT 1
Hoyle options
Hoyle stated that he would not allow town to sleepwalk into relegation
So was the best option to try and buy our way out of this mess by throwing silly money at it or alternatively save our funds to invest in new players that might allow us to make a more serious challenge to come straight back up if relegated.
Hoyle/Wagner needed to buy ready to sign /go players when the window first opened on Jan 1st to give us some kind of realistic chance to close the gap , but sadly this did not materialise as expected for matters mainly unknown to most of the fans.
Hoyle did not get where he is today by not having his finger on the pulse ,and that is just one reason why he will always come up with some kind of successful solution
Ive been here before when we were last relegated in the top flight 70s era around 45 years ago ,and feel the club is in a far better position now than it was then
Saly a case of both top flight managers Greaves and Wagner never being allowed to show their true potential at the club arguably through a lack of funds
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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2019 18:41:43 GMT 1
big signing in the pipeline before friday maybe....? anyone heard anything...any hope of this happening...does it even make any sense now ? fact is, no it doesn't...we know we're down..and after arsenal and chelsea have whupped us and the other rivals picking up points we could be relegated before the end of February...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 30, 2019 19:00:15 GMT 1
Not going to get on the managers back for some time. Not his players, a team with no chance, a team with no confidence. They are down...hope to see some fight, a few wins, scaring some big boys.
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Post by sabailand on Jan 30, 2019 19:07:51 GMT 1
Not going to get on the managers back for some time. Not his players, a team with no chance, a team with no confidence. They are down...hope to see some fight, a few wins, scaring some big boys. Cant really disagree,thats how our seasons going to go from now on i suspect, putting a spanner in the works of one or two teams who think they`re in for an easy ride when they play us.
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Post by Stewpot on Jan 30, 2019 19:08:33 GMT 1
We basically raised the white flag when we went after Siewert. It'll take him a while to get us going by which time we're already down. As for the Season Ticket Price? £250 quid is bloody good value. But he wasn't signed up to save us from relegation was he? Even the most deluded of fans must accept we were down long before his appointment. This is one for next season, give the guy a chance. I've said on another thread who were we supposed to attract in our situation? At least we haven't brought in a mercenary who will be here till it suits, pocket whatever he can, then ride off into the sunset. Season tickets @ £250. £10.87 per match - If you went to watch Brighouse Town that is 8 quid per game to get in.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 30, 2019 19:11:22 GMT 1
We basically raised the white flag when we went after Siewert. It'll take him a while to get us going by which time we're already down. As for the Season Ticket Price? £250 quid is bloody good value. But he wasn't signed up to save us from relegation was he?Even the most deluded of fans must accept we were down long before his appointment. This is one for next season, give the guy a chance. I've said on another thread who were we supposed to attract in our situation? At least we haven't brought in a mercenary who will be here till it suits, pocket whatever he can, then ride off into the sunset. Season tickets @ £250. £10.87 per match - If you went to watch Brighouse Town that is 8 quid per game to get in. but deans message.....
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 30, 2019 19:12:59 GMT 1
And now we’ve taken a complete punt on an unknown manager from the German fourth division. There’s a running theme here.... Yeah that last one we got was shit, wasn't he? Under slightly different circumstances though wasn’t it let’s be honest. We were cruising in the bottom half of the championship for a while. I don’t think any of us thought we were really going anywhere anytime soon so it was worth a punt and what a diamond we got. We are a premier league club now, well atleast for the next few months. Should we be taking on an unexperienced manager now we have developed as a club. I’m not sure people would of been happy had we appointed a manager of a reserve/youth team from any other nation apart from Germany which is weird. Germany’s a big place, they arnt all David Wagner. I’m willing to give this guy a bit of time but personally I wasn’t best pleased with his appointment. People are going to make to many comparisons to Wagner.
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