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Post by detox on Feb 1, 2019 14:47:59 GMT 1
last home game in the PL ...Manchester United - Not a bad way to bow out I suppose...
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Post by Stiggy on Feb 1, 2019 16:09:41 GMT 1
last home game in the PL ...Manchester United - Not a bad way to bow out I suppose... We'll be bowing out long before then. Relegated by end of February probably.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2019 16:24:47 GMT 1
last home game in the PL ...Manchester United - Not a bad way to bow out I suppose... We'll be bowing out long before then. Relegated by end of February probably. 9th March we could be down. Unrealistic but mathematically possible.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 1, 2019 16:30:32 GMT 1
It was a very ridiculous statement regardless of whether it came from Dean or whoever was overseeing things at the time. Gave the fans false hope, something that's rarely done at Town and it really did come back and bite us more than any of us could have imagined.
I remember seeing it on NYE and instantly forwarding to friends and family in excitement and anticipation of what might come in the window.. When Deano speaks we all listen, but then came Jason Puncheon, followed by our beloved manager walking.. It was clear right then that "the statement" was very ill timed and was going to leave some fans feeling they way they have vented on here.
We don't as a club make many mistakes but this one definitely was.
On another note, our lass has worked at Card Factory for a very long time and knows a lot of people who are friends with Dean. She's been advised he's on the mend (nothing as serious as some people rumoured) and has "certainly not put Huddersfield Town up for sale".
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Post by mallyb on Feb 1, 2019 18:06:46 GMT 1
i think you can all see with how the transfer windows panned out that we avnt made effort to get anybody in.its got the hallmarks of a chairman whos looking to sell up spend nothing then sell best playrs in summer assett stripping.id like to know where all the money as gone!!!.cuz we should have a load money available.why not publish yearly accounts so we can see where it is 🐑🐑🐑🐑 Our net spend for the last two seasons is about £90m add agent fees so call it £100m www.transfermarkt.com/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110Our wage bill will be around £40m a year (lower than some Championship sides) - so over 2 years that's £80m We've committed £20m to a training ground That pretty much accounts for the money we've made in the last two seasons Net spend is nearer £70m. That site doesn't include Lolley and Malone sales and possibly others and is quoted in Euros. No idea on wages. We also have income outside the Sky money. Thought the last figures I saw was about £13m per season in the premier league. That gives us an extra £46m over the 2 years.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 18:44:02 GMT 1
This was the year we would strengthen the squad adding quality and depth and lay the foundations for a sustained period in the premier league. Problem is we've pissed all the extra money up a wall so I'm not even sure the extra year has been beneficial; perhaps the opposite. In hindsight we'd maybe have been better going down last season by a whisker rather than suffering the humiliation of being one of the (may soon be THE) worst teams in the premier leagues history. The clubs reputation is being seriously damaged at the moment, we're a laughing stock basically and its no wonder we didn't manage to sign anyone except a L1 youngster, who on earth would want to join us in the state we're in. what a load of bull you talk.the laughing stocks as you call us are clubs like derby Wednesday villa forest etc and leeds up to this season who have thrown money at it and still arnt out of the championship.YOU REALLY ARE A DRAMA QUEEN. Never been called a drama queen before, LOL. How ironic you accusing me of talking bull. Have a look at the league table, the stats for this season and the records that are being broken, its getting embarrassing already and could get worse, so yes we are very much a laughing stock, we cant fucking score let alone win a football match. Even the pundits have stopped taking the piss, they just feel sorry for us now. Cant score, cant win, appalling home record and away, players from the league below don't want to join us and who can blame them. The only saving grace is we're losing by the odd goal but I fear even that may change tomorrow and next week. Don't take your username so seriously.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 18:51:29 GMT 1
Our net spend for the last two seasons is about £90m add agent fees so call it £100m www.transfermarkt.com/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110Our wage bill will be around £40m a year (lower than some Championship sides) - so over 2 years that's £80m We've committed £20m to a training ground That pretty much accounts for the money we've made in the last two seasons Net spend is nearer £70m. That site doesn't include Lolley and Malone sales and possibly others and is quoted in Euros. No idea on wages. We also have income outside the Sky money. Thought the last figures I saw was about £13m per season in the premier league. That gives us an extra £46m over the 2 years. I'm guessing Wagner et al weren't cheap, Wagner quoted as £100k per week and it wouldn't surprise me. That's another £5M at least on the wage bill unless its included in those figures already. Plus we have the enabling works for the PL, a fair few quid there I guess. I guess we'll end up writing off about £20M this season due to transfer business. I expect the club to lose money on Diakbenza, Sobhi, Flo and Mounie. None of those 5 are now worth anywhere near what we paid.
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Post by Htfc1987 on Feb 1, 2019 20:12:06 GMT 1
Backfired hasn’t it Pmsl
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 1, 2019 22:21:39 GMT 1
Our net spend for the last two seasons is about £90m add agent fees so call it £100m www.transfermarkt.com/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110Our wage bill will be around £40m a year (lower than some Championship sides) - so over 2 years that's £80m We've committed £20m to a training ground That pretty much accounts for the money we've made in the last two seasons Net spend is nearer £70m. That site doesn't include Lolley and Malone sales and possibly others and is quoted in Euros. No idea on wages. We also have income outside the Sky money. Thought the last figures I saw was about £13m per season in the premier league. That gives us an extra £46m over the 2 years. It has net spend at Euros 51m this year and then Euro 57m last year. So Euros 108m combined (presumably excluding agent fees). The figures quoted look in the right ballpark Malone counted as Euro 3.9m signing - we may have broke even when we sold Did we get £500k for Lolley? So maybe £4.5m missing It also doesn’t count Mbenza as signed - which he almost certainly has to be. So 12.5 Euros more there I’ve speculated that at £40m we run a wage bill similar to Fulham and Derby County’s reported wage in the year we went up - £40m is still pretty conversative for a Prem team where most sides spend £60m plus on wages We also have future contract liabilities accounting for a large chunk of the parachute money - which is basically what it’s intended for It looks like we made £102m last season - www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/club-by-club-a-breakdown-of-the-2017-18-premier-league-prize-money/We’ll make less this year due to being 4 places lower on the merit table Throw in £20m on the training ground and I really can’t see this mountain of cash others think is sitting around
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Feb 2, 2019 1:56:11 GMT 1
Dean's out of the equasion, Winter is the reason of our demise. End of
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Post by impact on Feb 2, 2019 2:07:19 GMT 1
Net spend is nearer £70m. That site doesn't include Lolley and Malone sales and possibly others and is quoted in Euros. No idea on wages. We also have income outside the Sky money. Thought the last figures I saw was about £13m per season in the premier league. That gives us an extra £46m over the 2 years. It has net spend at Euros 51m this year and then Euro 57m last year. So Euros 108m combined (presumably excluding agent fees). The figures quoted look in the right ballpark Malone counted as Euro 3.9m signing - we may have broke even when we sold Did we get £500k for Lolley? So maybe £4.5m missing It also doesn’t count Mbenza as signed - which he almost certainly has to be. So 12.5 Euros more there I’ve speculated that at £40m we run a wage bill similar to Fulham and Derby County’s reported wage in the year we went up - £40m is still pretty conversative for a Prem team where most sides spend £60m plus on wages We also have future contract liabilities accounting for a large chunk of the parachute money - which is basically what it’s intended for It looks like we made £102m last season - www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/club-by-club-a-breakdown-of-the-2017-18-premier-league-prize-money/We’ll make less this year due to being 4 places lower on the merit table Throw in £20m on the training ground and I really can’t see this mountain of cash others think is sitting around We get £40m next year just for being relegated.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 2, 2019 8:25:03 GMT 1
It has net spend at Euros 51m this year and then Euro 57m last year. So Euros 108m combined (presumably excluding agent fees). The figures quoted look in the right ballpark Malone counted as Euro 3.9m signing - we may have broke even when we sold Did we get £500k for Lolley? So maybe £4.5m missing It also doesn’t count Mbenza as signed - which he almost certainly has to be. So 12.5 Euros more there I’ve speculated that at £40m we run a wage bill similar to Fulham and Derby County’s reported wage in the year we went up - £40m is still pretty conversative for a Prem team where most sides spend £60m plus on wages We also have future contract liabilities accounting for a large chunk of the parachute money - which is basically what it’s intended for It looks like we made £102m last season - www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/club-by-club-a-breakdown-of-the-2017-18-premier-league-prize-money/We’ll make less this year due to being 4 places lower on the merit table Throw in £20m on the training ground and I really can’t see this mountain of cash others think is sitting around We get £40m next year just for being relegated. Which will be needed to cover existing contracts Take Sobhi his deal will have cost well £10m ish with transfer fees and 3 year contract - £5.7m fee and say £4m to £5m in wages We won’t be able to do many £6m deals let alone more even with a few years parachute payments That’s before it covering the huge shortfall between revenue (our gate money is small even by championship standards) and wages
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Post by sanchez on Feb 2, 2019 8:46:35 GMT 1
Chill yer beans lads. DW lost 3 of his first four games. Give JS a chance. Yes we’re poor and yes we’re going down but worse things happen. I love Town as much as anyone but it’s only footie. Don’t let it get yer down. Cheers. Totally agree with this comment and would like us to be stronger. We had a go and at this point we are not ready. We haven't got the finance of the big clubs to go out and buy a world class player. Yes we have made some mistakes in recruitment both in backroom and playing staff, unfortunately that is magnified at this level. I find there is too much negativity on these topics that doesn't help our situation, the phrase thick and thin comes to mind. If anybody feels let down by the situation we are in then maybe find another outlet to satisfy that or get behind your team, the mighty TERRIERS
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Post by impact on Feb 2, 2019 10:12:48 GMT 1
We get £40m next year just for being relegated. Which will be needed to cover existing contracts Take Sobhi his deal will have cost well £10m ish with transfer fees and 3 year contract - £5.7m fee and say £4m to £5m in wages We won’t be able to do many £6m deals let alone more even with a few years parachute payments That’s before it covering the huge shortfall between revenue (our gate money is small even by championship standards) and wages If the wage figure is correct that's around around 30k a week over 3 years. Next year that goes down to 18k a week - saving £1.2m. Our wage bill this year I would guess would be around £50m. Maybe less than that. Next year that is £30m after relegation before we've offloaded anyone. Billing and Mooy will be sold for big fees. Maybe Kongolo. You could get £40m in transfer fees alone for them, then their wages on top. Let's say their on the same wage figure as the Sobhi one you mentioned. That means the wage bill will be £27m, and we will have £40m in parachutes and £40m in transfer fees received, giving a net of £53m. That covers c7 Sobhi's for 3 years.
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Post by willo on Feb 2, 2019 10:43:03 GMT 1
Dean's out of the equasion, Winter is the reason of our demise. End of So now is the Winter of our discontent?
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Post by terrierbite on Feb 2, 2019 10:44:40 GMT 1
Dean's out of the equasion, Winter is the reason of our demise. End of Yes it hasn't been much mentioned bit in unexaminer Winter commented that they knew of DW impending departure when DW asked of the board the question as to where were we going in regards to future purchases etc ,at that point DW was probably told we will have to run with the squad we have ,DW was left with no alternative to chuck in the towel,would it have happened if Dean had been at this meeting ,I am not so sure so yes you are right Julian Winetr does not come out of all of this looking good .
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 10:48:38 GMT 1
Which will be needed to cover existing contracts Take Sobhi his deal will have cost well £10m ish with transfer fees and 3 year contract - £5.7m fee and say £4m to £5m in wages We won’t be able to do many £6m deals let alone more even with a few years parachute payments That’s before it covering the huge shortfall between revenue (our gate money is small even by championship standards) and wages If the wage figure is correct that's around around 30k a week over 3 years. Next year that goes down to 18k a week - saving £1.2m. Our wage bill this year I would guess would be around £50m. Maybe less than that. Next year that is £30m after relegation before we've offloaded anyone. Billing and Mooy will be sold for big fees. Maybe Kongolo. You could get £40m in transfer fees alone for them, then their wages on top. Let's say their on the same wage figure as the Sobhi one you mentioned. That means the wage bill will be £27m, and we will have £40m in parachutes and £40m in transfer fees received, giving a net of £53m. That covers c7 Sobhi's for 3 years. I think we'll get close to £50 million back in fees this summer Mooy - £10 million Billing - £16 million Kongolo- £12 million Mounie - £5 million Sobhi - £2 million Zanka - £2 million VLP - £500k Plus any sell on fee we get when Lolley moves in the summer Add in Depoitre, Williams, Durm and Wagner all also being off the wage bill and that is somewhere in the region of a £12-13 million per year reduction. Not many clubs start their first season in the Championship back in the Championship with as small a wage bill as we will. Of course we'll sign players but I suspect it'll be mainly players from Germany on modest wages
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Post by dugnet on Feb 2, 2019 11:01:18 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry".
1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on
2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions
3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer
Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward.
My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen.
It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing.
I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 2, 2019 11:03:00 GMT 1
Dean's out of the equasion, Winter is the reason of our demise. End of So now is the Winter of our discontent? There's a GOT phrase he might use as well….
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 11:13:25 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry". 1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on 2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions 3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward. My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen. It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing. I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem. 4. Michael Oliver
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Post by dugnet on Feb 2, 2019 12:30:32 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry". 1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on 2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions 3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward. My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen. It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing. I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem. 4. Michael Oliver I'm quite happy to blame him
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 2, 2019 12:44:35 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry". 1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on 2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions 3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward. My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen. It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing. I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem. It feels a little more than disappointing to me, it's actually quite maddening and annoying if I'm honest on my feelings about it. Think you hit the nail on the head there saying we've been in the backwaters for so long and now we're back we've made a right hash of it. I don't want to start pointing the finger but it just smacks of typical Town to me, trying to do it in the cheap and if there is a way to mess something up, no matter how hard, we find it. Again, if I'm truly honest, I'm incredulous at how we've cocked this season up, I really am. I just hope we can have a clear out in the summer, Seiwert is given some money and we can come straight back up and give it another crack. Move away from this tinpot view and attitude we have of ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 13:03:25 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry". 1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on 2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions 3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward. My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen. It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing. I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem. It feels a little more than disappointing to me, it's actually quite maddening and annoying if I'm honest on my feelings about it. Think you hit the nail on the head there saying we've been in the backwaters for so long and now we're back we've made a right hash of it. I don't want to start pointing the finger but it just smacks of typical Town to me, trying to do it in the cheap and if there is a way to mess something up, no matter how hard, we find it. Again, if I'm truly honest, I'm incredulous at how we've cocked this season up, I really am. I just hope we can have a clear out in the summer, Seiwert is given some money and we can come straight back up and give it another crack. Move away from this tinpot view and attitude we have of ourselves. Re: tinpot and we - as I'm on my way to Chelsea - try using the singular I rather than projecting your miserabilism onto everyone else.....
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Post by oldmanboothy on Feb 2, 2019 13:10:13 GMT 1
If the wage figure is correct that's around around 30k a week over 3 years. Next year that goes down to 18k a week - saving £1.2m. Our wage bill this year I would guess would be around £50m. Maybe less than that. Next year that is £30m after relegation before we've offloaded anyone. Billing and Mooy will be sold for big fees. Maybe Kongolo. You could get £40m in transfer fees alone for them, then their wages on top. Let's say their on the same wage figure as the Sobhi one you mentioned. That means the wage bill will be £27m, and we will have £40m in parachutes and £40m in transfer fees received, giving a net of £53m. That covers c7 Sobhi's for 3 years. I think we'll get close to £50 million back in fees this summer Mooy - £10 million Billing - £16 million Kongolo- £12 million Mounie - £5 million Sobhi - £2 million Zanka - £2 million VLP - £500k Plus any sell on fee we get when Lolley moves in the summer Add in Depoitre, Williams, Durm and Wagner all also being off the wage bill and that is somewhere in the region of a £12-13 million per year reduction. Not many clubs start their first season in the Championship back in the Championship with as small a wage bill as we will. Of course we'll sign players but I suspect it'll be mainly players from Germany on modest wages Surely Mooy would go for more than £10m unless there’s some sort of release clause?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 2, 2019 13:11:46 GMT 1
No We will run skip and jump head first into it by the looks.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 2, 2019 13:57:03 GMT 1
No We will run skip and jump head first into it by the looks. Glad you're back pal. This board isn't the same without you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 14:33:47 GMT 1
This thread is now becoming "let's find a scapegoat and hang them out to dry". 1 We don't have the true detail of what has gone on 2 We can all agree the club, collectively, made some poor recruitment decisions 3 It's happened, we are where we are and we can't change anything more now until summer Lessons must be learned and acted upon if we are to keep moving forward. My overall feeling is that we were so near to being at this level for at least another season, and DH potentially having a more saleable asset, and now we are not sure what is going to happen. It's very frustrating and after decades in the backwaters, really disappointing. I don't see any point in blaming individuals, I'm sure the people who can influence know what has happened. If they don't, then we do have a problem. It feels a little more than disappointing to me, it's actually quite maddening and annoying if I'm honest on my feelings about it. Think you hit the nail on the head there saying we've been in the backwaters for so long and now we're back we've made a right hash of it. I don't want to start pointing the finger but it just smacks of typical Town to me, trying to do it in the cheap and if there is a way to mess something up, no matter how hard, we find it. Again, if I'm truly honest, I'm incredulous at how we've cocked this season up, I really am. I just hope we can have a clear out in the summer, Seiwert is given some money and we can come straight back up and give it another crack. Move away from this tinpot view and attitude we have of ourselves. After the everton game a young man was returning to his car with nhis dad.His dad collapsed at the car and died he was in his thirtys. Whatever we may think about our situation I think there are far more important things in life than football
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Post by alexdire on Feb 2, 2019 14:36:02 GMT 1
Net spend is nearer £70m. That site doesn't include Lolley and Malone sales and possibly others and is quoted in Euros. No idea on wages. We also have income outside the Sky money. Thought the last figures I saw was about £13m per season in the premier league. That gives us an extra £46m over the 2 years. I'm guessing Wagner et al weren't cheap, Wagner quoted as £100k per week and it wouldn't surprise me. That's another £5M at least on the wage bill unless its included in those figures already. Plus we have the enabling works for the PL, a fair few quid there I guess. I guess we'll end up writing off about £20M this season due to transfer business. I expect the club to lose money on Diakbenza, Sobhi, Flo and Mounie. None of those 5 are now worth anywhere near what we paid. Add Pritchard into those losses. Although they might all be covered by selling Billing.
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Post by willo on Feb 2, 2019 14:45:45 GMT 1
It feels a little more than disappointing to me, it's actually quite maddening and annoying if I'm honest on my feelings about it. Think you hit the nail on the head there saying we've been in the backwaters for so long and now we're back we've made a right hash of it. I don't want to start pointing the finger but it just smacks of typical Town to me, trying to do it in the cheap and if there is a way to mess something up, no matter how hard, we find it. Again, if I'm truly honest, I'm incredulous at how we've cocked this season up, I really am. I just hope we can have a clear out in the summer, Seiwert is given some money and we can come straight back up and give it another crack. Move away from this tinpot view and attitude we have of ourselves. After the everton game a young man was returning to his car with nhis dad.His dad collapsed at the car and died he was in his thirtys. Whatever we may think about our situation I think there are far more important things in life than football That is very sad positive but there’s no getting away from the fact this season has seen us fail on many fronts and a lot are extremely disappointed at what could be viewed as a missed or lost opportunity. I think in this instance at least, art is spot on with his assessment. There are no hysterics in what he has put, just a cold, hard summing up of how he and many others feel. Let’s hope we can go on and get something from today, and then watch Norwich beat leeds. UTT
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Post by impact on Feb 2, 2019 14:55:25 GMT 1
If the wage figure is correct that's around around 30k a week over 3 years. Next year that goes down to 18k a week - saving £1.2m. Our wage bill this year I would guess would be around £50m. Maybe less than that. Next year that is £30m after relegation before we've offloaded anyone. Billing and Mooy will be sold for big fees. Maybe Kongolo. You could get £40m in transfer fees alone for them, then their wages on top. Let's say their on the same wage figure as the Sobhi one you mentioned. That means the wage bill will be £27m, and we will have £40m in parachutes and £40m in transfer fees received, giving a net of £53m. That covers c7 Sobhi's for 3 years. I think we'll get close to £50 million back in fees this summer Mooy - £10 million Billing - £16 million Kongolo- £12 million Mounie - £5 million Sobhi - £2 million Zanka - £2 million VLP - £500k Plus any sell on fee we get when Lolley moves in the summer Add in Depoitre, Williams, Durm and Wagner all also being off the wage bill and that is somewhere in the region of a £12-13 million per year reduction. Not many clubs start their first season in the Championship back in the Championship with as small a wage bill as we will. Of course we'll sign players but I suspect it'll be mainly players from Germany on modest wages I don't think the turnover will be as high as that. Don't really see the point in offloading Mounie for that, and it's not as if we'll have players queuing up to sign him. Selling VLP for 500k would just put more pressure on us signing more players as well. Mooy will go for more than £10m. We signed him for £8m 2 years ago as someone who was only proven in England in the 2nd tier. He now has 2 years of prem football under him and would get in nearly any of the sides outside of the top 6. He's only 28 still as well. Ben Gibson, an average championship defender, went for £15m in the summer.
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