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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 11:30:49 GMT 1
So if we can all agree we were virtually relegated and looking dejected and demotivated before he arrived (with what you're telling us was a good team spirit), it seems that team spirit doesn't appear to be that important. We were, but we’ve looked even worse since he arrived. Would you not have hoped for an improvement under a new manager? We’ve regressed and his decisions/selections haven’t made sense (to me at least). I would always play Mooy in central midfield if he’s fit as an example! Fair play if you think he’s better wide or left on the bench in favour of Stankovic. If we were still losing but looking like a cohesive unit with a system/plan then fine - what we’re witnessing is a mile away from that unfortunately. If your prime objective is to win the game then I’d agree (though to be fair we weren't very good at doing that even with our best players in their best positions), but if you accept that probably half your first team regulars are likely to leave so you are wanting to have a look at some of the players likely to stay, and identify where you need to strengthen then that’s a different scenario. I really don't care if Jan has lost the dressing room at this moment in time - maybe it's a good thing if he has (particularly with regard to players who are probably on their way). Sometimes things need to come to a head before they get better, if so better now than later. I would be concerned if there was a problem with the dressing room when the players return for training (probably a very different squad) in July. IMO good man management isn't about keeping players happy for the sake of it, particularly if changes are needed & inevitable. Failure and change usually bring low morale. Lets sort out the wheat from the chaff and see what things look like early August before moaning. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 15, 2019 11:51:30 GMT 1
We were, but we’ve looked even worse since he arrived. Would you not have hoped for an improvement under a new manager? We’ve regressed and his decisions/selections haven’t made sense (to me at least). I would always play Mooy in central midfield if he’s fit as an example! Fair play if you think he’s better wide or left on the bench in favour of Stankovic. If we were still losing but looking like a cohesive unit with a system/plan then fine - what we’re witnessing is a mile away from that unfortunately. If your prime objective is to win the game then I’d agree, but if you accept that probably half your first team regulars are likely to leave so you are wanting to have a look at some of the players likely to stay, and identify where you need to strengthen then that’s a different scenario. I really don't care if Jan has lost the dressing room at this moment in time - maybe it's a good thing if he has (particularly with regard to players who are probably on their way). Sometimes things need to come to a head before they get better, if so better now than later. I would be concerned if there was a problem with the dressing room when the players return for training (probably a very different squad) in July. IMO good man management isn't about keeping players happy for the sake of it, particularly if changes are needed & inevitable. Failure and change usually bring low morale. Lets sort out the wheat from the chaff and see what things look like early August before moaning. He “looks” as though he’s alienating what would/could be key players for us next season - so they’ll likely leave if he’s still here. He’ll have lost 14 from 15 games and have a huge rebuild job to do. I just don’t see it - in fact, I’d take the 12/1 on offer for us to be relegated if we stick with him. But let’s wait and see. |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 11:57:16 GMT 1
If your prime objective is to win the game then I’d agree (though to be fair we weren't very good at doing that even with our best players playing in their best positions), but if you accept that probably half your first team regulars are likely to leave so you are wanting to have a look at some of the players likely to stay, and identify where you need to strengthen then that’s a different scenario. I really don't care if Jan has lost the dressing room at this moment in time - maybe it's a good thing if he has (particularly with regard to players who are probably on their way). Sometimes things need to come to a head before they get better, if so better now than later. I would be concerned if there was a problem with the dressing room when the players return for training (probably a very different squad) in July. IMO good man management isn't about keeping players happy for the sake of it, particularly if changes are needed & inevitable. Failure and change usually bring low morale. Lets sort out the wheat from the chaff and see what things look like early August before moaning. He “looks” as though he’s alienating what would/could be key players for us next season - so they’ll likely leave if he’s still here. He’ll have lost 14 from 15 games and have a huge rebuild job to do. I just don’t see it - in fact, I’d take the 12/1 on offer for us to be relegated if we stick with him. But let’s wait and see. Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? |
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 12:10:35 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well you and royrace should get together you would be ideal as the new laurel and hardy. Not sure what prompted that unprovoked attack  Mr positive (football guru) you know nothing about anything that's going on within the club and just post obvious positive nonsense constantly. All done in a way that seems to hint that you have some sort of superior qualification in the professional game or connection to the club that makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. You don't and it isn't. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 15, 2019 12:13:39 GMT 1
He “looks” as though he’s alienating what would/could be key players for us next season - so they’ll likely leave if he’s still here. He’ll have lost 14 from 15 games and have a huge rebuild job to do. I just don’t see it - in fact, I’d take the 12/1 on offer for us to be relegated if we stick with him. But let’s wait and see. Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 12:19:06 GMT 1
Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. You may be right, you may be wrong. I just feel your "facts" that lead you to believe this are shallow to say the least. "He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game" Is that your key "fact ? PS When you say "out of contract" you mean a player who's had very little game time, was excellent in the Championship, and who he may want to have a look at to decide whether to offer him a new contract or not? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 15, 2019 12:20:06 GMT 1
Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. 1) Pritchard supports West Ham 2) Pritchard has been shite and did not deserve to start on Saturday |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 15, 2019 12:31:06 GMT 1
You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. 1) Pritchard supports West Ham 2) Pritchard has been shite and did not deserve to start on Saturday My bad, always thought he supported Spurs. I didn't say he should have started but when you're 2-0 down with 6 defenders still on the pitch, Löwe looking like he's never played football in his life, surely someone like Pritchard is a better option to atleased attempt to get back in the game? |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 15, 2019 12:32:06 GMT 1
He “looks” as though he’s alienating what would/could be key players for us next season - so they’ll likely leave if he’s still here. He’ll have lost 14 from 15 games and have a huge rebuild job to do. I just don’t see it - in fact, I’d take the 12/1 on offer for us to be relegated if we stick with him. But let’s wait and see. Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? IIt would probably be quicker and easier to go through who you think will stay - Hamer, Stankovic, Bacuna, Loewe, Kachunga, Grant? Hardly fills me with confidence for next season. Any chance we had of keeping Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo look to have gone. Mooy has been played wide midfield and dropped in favour of the aforementioned Stankovic. Rumours that Schindler is now unhappy. Hogg looks more frustrated each week. Obviously he’s left out Lossl for Hamer which is like giving the points away before a ball is kicked. Billing and Zanka dropped too. Arsenal continue to play Ramsey even though he’s already signed for someone else - we’ve got Hamer as number two but have cut our nose off to spite our face. Accept that they may not have stayed anyway, but putting our best available team out, winning a couple of games, gaining some confidence and momentum - could hardly have been a bad thing for next season? You could argue “they’ve all been rubbish, deserve to be dropped, needed a rocket” etc Which would be fine if the team he picks delivers any kind of results or performance. As it is, we look like a shambles every week and an embarrassment. Ps, that’s why I had “looks” in inverted commas - ie “if looks to me as if” (an opinion based on what I can see on the pitch). I obviously don’t speak to the players in any capacity to verify or otherwise! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 15, 2019 12:33:23 GMT 1
If your prime objective is to win the game then I’d agree, but if you accept that probably half your first team regulars are likely to leave so you are wanting to have a look at some of the players likely to stay, and identify where you need to strengthen then that’s a different scenario. I really don't care if Jan has lost the dressing room at this moment in time - maybe it's a good thing if he has (particularly with regard to players who are probably on their way). Sometimes things need to come to a head before they get better, if so better now than later. I would be concerned if there was a problem with the dressing room when the players return for training (probably a very different squad) in July. IMO good man management isn't about keeping players happy for the sake of it, particularly if changes are needed & inevitable. Failure and change usually bring low morale. Lets sort out the wheat from the chaff and see what things look like early August before moaning. He “looks” as though he’s alienating what would/could be key players for us next season - so they’ll likely leave if he’s still here. He’ll have lost 14 from 15 games and have a huge rebuild job to do. I just don’t see it - in fact, I’d take the 12/1 on offer for us to be relegated if we stick with him. But let’s wait and see. 'likely to leave'  not if nobody comes in for them and offers them the 'incentive' or we agree to let them go for less than we value them at so other clubs might take a 'punt'... 'Alienating' is a tough one to prove.. some of those 'alienated' might have done this themselves some time ago?? some might not wish to play in an already relegated team for professional reasons or already 'in the pipeline' moves?? some might not wish to run around a lot in a losing team, which given Jan's obvious like for graft in a team, renders them as not playable at this time? I don't see the doom and gloom as yet, having been here for 50 plus years there have been many, many worse ends of season in relation to the state of the club, where we start again next season etc etc.. Shifting the 'whole' short term future prospects of the club onto one bloke who never really stood a chance is short sighted and grossly unfair.. The club from the top down got it badly wrong this season, the points alone proves it never mind the player recruitment fiasco and the blame being passed around etc..We spent most of the season losing games without looking like we had any intention just hope, that we might get lucky and its moved into a fairly 'resigned' attitude to the next defeat.. Maybe someone else might have done a little better but thats just hindsight and its pretty clear the appointment was more about next year than this, Deans comments back this up. Remember we brought in Wagner on the back of a few years 'plan' and the first results were poor and many fans were very critical, but oddly can now 'see' the depth and beauty of Dave's thinking, which they had failed to see when we got some good hidings? ?? Those using the power of their ability to see into the future aligned with their superior footballing and 'big league' knowledge of running a football team might like to state now what they would 'accept' as a 'success' for Jan should he stil be in charge next XMas, say??? I have given mine before, top ten area with a team that is hard to beat, plays with some flair and pace and creates chances.. its not always a winning result combination but after watching a season and a bit of stilted, posession going nowhere much any defeats might be easier to swallow?? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 12:33:34 GMT 1
You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. You may be right, you may be wrong. I just feel your "facts" that lead you to believe this are shallow to say the least. "He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game" Is that your key "fact ? PS When you say "out of contract" you mean a player who's had very little game time, was excellent in the Championship, and who he may want to have a look at to decide whether to offer him a new contract or not? Pritchard looked ok when he came over to applaud the fans. |
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Post by drfootball on Apr 15, 2019 12:37:28 GMT 1
Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? IIt would probably be quicker and easier to go through who you think will stay - Hamer, Stankovic, Bacuna, Loewe, Kachunga, Grant? Hardly fills me with confidence for next season. Any chance we had of keeping Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo look to have gone. Mooy has been played wide midfield and dropped in favour of the aforementioned Stankovic. Rumours that Schindler is now unhappy. Hogg looks more frustrated each week. Obviously he’s left out Lossl for Hamer which is like giving the points away before a ball is kicked. Billing and Zanka dropped too. Arsenal continue to play Ramsey even though he’s already signed for someone else - we’ve got Hamer as number two but have cut our nose off to spite our face. Accept that they may not have stayed anyway, but putting our best available team out, winning a couple of games, gaining some confidence and momentum - could hardly have been a bad thing for next season? You could argue “they’ve all been rubbish, deserve to be dropped, needed a rocket” etc Which would be fine if the team he picks delivers any kind of results or performance. As it is, we look like a shambles every week and an embarrassment. Ps, that’s why I had “looks” in inverted commas - ie “if looks to me as if” (an opinion based on what I can see on the pitch). I obviously don’t speak to the players in any capacity to verify or otherwise! Agreed good post and excellent point about Ramsey |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 12:38:25 GMT 1
Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? IIt would probably be quicker and easier to go through who you think will stay - Hamer, Stankovic, Bacuna, Loewe, Kachunga, Grant? Hardly fills me with confidence for next season. Any chance we had of keeping Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo look to have gone. Mooy has been played wide midfield and dropped in favour of the aforementioned Stankovic. Rumours that Schindler is now unhappy. Hogg looks more frustrated each week. Obviously he’s left out Lossl for Hamer which is like giving the points away before a ball is kicked. Billing and Zanka dropped too. Arsenal continue to play Ramsey even though he’s already signed for someone else - we’ve got Hamer as number two but have cut our nose off to spite our face. Accept that they may not have stayed anyway, but putting our best available team out, winning a couple of games, gaining some confidence and momentum - could hardly have been a bad thing for next season? You could argue “they’ve all been rubbish, deserve to be dropped, needed a rocket” etc Which would be fine if the team he picks delivers any kind of results or performance. As it is, we look like a shambles every week and an embarrassment. Ps, that’s why I had “looks” in inverted commas - ie “if looks to me as if” (an opinion based on what I can see on the pitch). I obviously don’t speak to the players in any capacity to verify or otherwise! So Kongolo and Mooy were two of the three key players for next season you'd identified? |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 15, 2019 12:53:01 GMT 1
Am I reading this correctly? Idiot poster staincliffe, aka derekoconnor, posts that AFCB are interested in Grant and good posters like Dugnet are reacting as if Grant’s on his way? Rightyho.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 15, 2019 12:54:08 GMT 1
you and royrace should get together you would be ideal as the new laurel and hardy. Not sure what prompted that unprovoked attack Mr positive (football guru) you know nothing about anything that's going on within the club and just post obvious positive nonsense constantly. All done in a way that seems to hint that you have some sort of superior qualification in the professional game or connection to the club that makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. You don't and it isn't. Bit pot and kettle there Roy as you seem confident half the squad have fallen out with the manager (that’s approx 12 players) and none of us have any respect for the manager (what, you speak for 10000 fans?). |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Apr 15, 2019 12:58:51 GMT 1
Just as a matter of interest can you name next seasons "key players" you think he's alienated, and the evidence that leads you to believe this? You'd think Pritchard would be one to keep for the championship next season but he was left on the bench against his old club, the team he supports, at their new stadium. He looked seriously fucked off towards the end of the game, then to make it worse in the last minute at 4-0 down Jan decided to bring on a CM who's out of contract in afew weeks. It's decisions like that that aren't endearing him to the players or supporters. You might think that. On the other hand he might have, in a less public way than others, have told the club he has other ideas. He might have a knock. He might be knackered. He might have been told he’s very much part of the plan but we just want to see some of the others and be more than happy with that. Fact is we don’t know. Also he’s not exactly set the PL on fire so not sure how much difference he’d have made, if he does stay let’s hope he can do what he did when he was last in the championship. Finally if he’d been sat laughing and joking on the bench whilst we were getting beat then someone would have used that to demonstrate a lack of unity at the club they can’t win. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 12:59:29 GMT 1
Am I reading this correctly? Idiot poster staincliffe, aka derekoconnor, posts that AFCB are interested in Grant and good posters like Dugnet are reacting as if Grant’s on his way? Rightyho. I said IF, however it's not something that would surprise me. Agents will see the prospect of making Karlan, and themselves, a few more quid. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Apr 15, 2019 13:05:53 GMT 1
IIt would probably be quicker and easier to go through who you think will stay - Hamer, Stankovic, Bacuna, Loewe, Kachunga, Grant? Hardly fills me with confidence for next season. Any chance we had of keeping Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo look to have gone. Mooy has been played wide midfield and dropped in favour of the aforementioned Stankovic. Rumours that Schindler is now unhappy. Hogg looks more frustrated each week. Obviously he’s left out Lossl for Hamer which is like giving the points away before a ball is kicked. Billing and Zanka dropped too. Arsenal continue to play Ramsey even though he’s already signed for someone else - we’ve got Hamer as number two but have cut our nose off to spite our face. Accept that they may not have stayed anyway, but putting our best available team out, winning a couple of games, gaining some confidence and momentum - could hardly have been a bad thing for next season? You could argue “they’ve all been rubbish, deserve to be dropped, needed a rocket” etc Which would be fine if the team he picks delivers any kind of results or performance. As it is, we look like a shambles every week and an embarrassment. Ps, that’s why I had “looks” in inverted commas - ie “if looks to me as if” (an opinion based on what I can see on the pitch). I obviously don’t speak to the players in any capacity to verify or otherwise! Agreed good post and excellent point about Ramsey Except Arsenal are desperately fighting for a top 4 spot whilst we are relegated and evaluating our squad. If we were a point from safety then it'd be a good comparison. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 15, 2019 13:10:49 GMT 1
Am I reading this correctly? Idiot poster staincliffe, aka derekoconnor, posts that AFCB are interested in Grant and good posters like Dugnet are reacting as if Grant’s on his way? Rightyho. I said IF, however it's not something that would surprise me. Agents will see the prospect of making Karlan, and themselves, a few more quid. are we still 'seeing' ourselves as the 'little dogs in the fight' next year?? yep, that would be a fucking great starting point.. every player at every club has an agent looking to better his bank balance via his player(s).. not sure how we become so much 'easier' to lose every player that turns in a decent performance or two??? great surges of 'opinion' that we should spend, spend, spend followed by the waves of 'we should remember who we are and every other club will be able to afford more and keep their better players more than we can' ? sensible and affordable options please which will be down to the club to sort.. raging against the past season and using the next 'pointless fucking exercise of a premier league game' as some sort of pointer for next year is not helping. Pretending anyone who can play a bit is going to up and leave because they just want to is a further bogeyman that in reality does not always come to pass.. Some player at Arsenal on 100k a week waiting on a huge financial move abroad being used in relation to our better players is just ridiculous..He is playing in a team that can still win something, still get his huge bonus for champions league qualification etc etc, he is also personally 'ready and happy' to play and then get his move.. ffs.. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 15, 2019 13:12:09 GMT 1
Agreed good post and excellent point about Ramsey Except Arsenal are desperately fighting for a top 4 spot whilst we are relegated and evaluating our squad. If we were a point from safety then it'd be a good comparison. Equally, we were only one win away from leapfrogging Fulham and gaining an extra £1.5m+ in prize money. I don't understand why people are so happy to write the season off by picking inferior players like Hamer, pissing about with probably the best player any of us have seen at Town and freezing the Danish contingent out. |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 13:13:39 GMT 1
If, and it is an if, Grant leaves at the end of the season it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League. It is entirely possible that a Premier League club will be aware of his ability and be prepared to offer him a chance t stay there. Yes we may make significant profit but I am not sure what good money is to us. I have absolutely no doubt that we have very good, decent and honourable people running our club but that doesn't mean they make the best decisions. Our approach to the "step change" this was said to be has not been good enough. From being a club with stable structure and foundations we are now reminiscent of a house of cards. If Grant goes it would just underline that, for what ever reasons, we are now on a path that could see is squander the Premier League opportunity. I currently don't see any plan and that is the biggest sadness. The problem that those in charge have is that 29 miles away (I know I walked it) Burnley sit and retain their Premier League status. They have stability, they made a profit, they have an upgraded training facility. They lost their status for a season but maintained stability and have reaped the benefits. Sure their football maybe moribund but that, debatable, negative is balanced by the positives of being in the top league in England. Right now I have absolutely no idea what is happening, I could not predict what will happen but history gives you a cold chill about our future. If Grant does leave that would really be a sobering realisation of how quickly things have completely unravelled for us. For all the respect I have for DH and his team, and acknowledging personal challenges, I ask that someone gets a hold of this now and demonstrates we do have a plan and we will structure of our future. 5 months ago we had the best manager in 3 generations, we were playing better football than last season in many respects and it was frustrating that our recruitment had left us 2 players away from having a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Today we are every bit as hopeless as the pundits have said we were over the last two years, we have a manager who is dividing opinion, we have a set of players who, understandably, cannot wait for the season to end, there is speculation that a player who looks like he has the ability to help takes us forward may leave, there are gathering rumours of a takeover and some fans are fearing we will struggle in the Championship next season . Bloody hell, 5 months is a long time in football. So if we sign players with quality that tempt established Premier Clubs and so find it difficult to hold onto them, but are able at least to make a significant profit from. that's a criticism of the Club? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 13:15:29 GMT 1
you and royrace should get together you would be ideal as the new laurel and hardy. Not sure what prompted that unprovoked attack Mr positive (football guru) you know nothing about anything that's going on within the club and just post obvious positive nonsense constantly. All done in a way that seems to hint that you have some sort of superior qualification in the professional game or connection to the club that makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. You don't and it isn't. where is your sense of humour?.on your other points you are wrong and am more qualified to talk about the game than a lot including you about the game but I don't count myself superior in any way or inferior either. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 13:16:41 GMT 1
Not sure what prompted that unprovoked attack Mr positive (football guru) you know nothing about anything that's going on within the club and just post obvious positive nonsense constantly. All done in a way that seems to hint that you have some sort of superior qualification in the professional game or connection to the club that makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. You don't and it isn't. as you seem confident half the squad have fallen out with the manager (that’s approx 12 players) and none of us have any respect for the manager (what, you speak for 10000 fans?). Not at all, just my opinion based on what I see and hear, I'm not trying to suggest I have any superior qualification or that I'm itk in any way, plus I'm not rubbishing anyone else's opinion either. I personally don't get the impression the players have much respect for the manager but have not attempted to speak for fans so not sure what you mean there. There's a poll though which suggests 70% of fans aren't keen. If I said 'half' the squad I probably didn't expect it to be taken literally (ie 12 players!) although he seems to have alienated quite a few based on selection alone so it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 13:19:23 GMT 1
Not sure what prompted that unprovoked attack Mr positive (football guru) you know nothing about anything that's going on within the club and just post obvious positive nonsense constantly. All done in a way that seems to hint that you have some sort of superior qualification in the professional game or connection to the club that makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. You don't and it isn't. where is your sense of humour?.on your other points you are wrong and am more qualified to talk about the game than a lot including you about the game but I don't count myself superior in any way or inferior either. LOL why don't you ever say anything remotely insightful then oh wise one  |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 13:21:15 GMT 1
Bit pot and kettle there Roy as you seem confident half the squad have fallen out with the manager (that’s approx 12 players) and none of us have any respect for the manager (what, you speak for 10000 fans?). Not at all, just my opinion based on what I see and hear, I'm not trying to suggest I have any superior qualification or that I'm itk in any way, plus I'm not rubbishing anyone else's opinion either. I personally don't get the impression the players have much respect for the manager but have not attempted to speak for fans so not sure what you mean there. There's a poll though which suggests 70% of fans aren't keen. If I said 'half' the squad I probably didn't expect it to be taken literally (ie 12 players!) although he seems to have alienated quite a few based on selection alone so it wouldn't surprise me. There's also a poll that suggest 75% of the fans are keen. Add them together and it still shows a substantial majority are keen. How much reliance are you placing on these polls to inform your opinion? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 13:27:06 GMT 1
where is your sense of humour?.on your other points you are wrong and am more qualified to talk about the game than a lot including you about the game but I don't count myself superior in any way or inferior either. LOL why don't you ever say anything remotely insightful then oh wise one leave that to others keep posting lol.i will |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 13:42:30 GMT 1
If, and it is an if, Grant leaves at the end of the season it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League. It is entirely possible that a Premier League club will be aware of his ability and be prepared to offer him a chance t stay there. Yes we may make significant profit but I am not sure what good money is to us. I have absolutely no doubt that we have very good, decent and honourable people running our club but that doesn't mean they make the best decisions. Our approach to the "step change" this was said to be has not been good enough. From being a club with stable structure and foundations we are now reminiscent of a house of cards. If Grant goes it would just underline that, for what ever reasons, we are now on a path that could see is squander the Premier League opportunity. I currently don't see any plan and that is the biggest sadness. The problem that those in charge have is that 29 miles away (I know I walked it) Burnley sit and retain their Premier League status. They have stability, they made a profit, they have an upgraded training facility. They lost their status for a season but maintained stability and have reaped the benefits. Sure their football maybe moribund but that, debatable, negative is balanced by the positives of being in the top league in England. Right now I have absolutely no idea what is happening, I could not predict what will happen but history gives you a cold chill about our future. If Grant does leave that would really be a sobering realisation of how quickly things have completely unravelled for us. For all the respect I have for DH and his team, and acknowledging personal challenges, I ask that someone gets a hold of this now and demonstrates we do have a plan and we will structure of our future. 5 months ago we had the best manager in 3 generations, we were playing better football than last season in many respects and it was frustrating that our recruitment had left us 2 players away from having a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Today we are every bit as hopeless as the pundits have said we were over the last two years, we have a manager who is dividing opinion, we have a set of players who, understandably, cannot wait for the season to end, there is speculation that a player who looks like he has the ability to help takes us forward may leave, there are gathering rumours of a takeover and some fans are fearing we will struggle in the Championship next season . Bloody hell, 5 months is a long time in football. So if we sign players with quality that tempt established Premier Clubs and so find it difficult to hold onto them, but are able at least to make a significant profit from. that's a criticism of the Club? I think the "criticism" is that, if, this were to happen that it would be disappointing that we were not able to keep promising players for a period to allow them to develop i.e. essentially not being able to follow our own model. I made the points above to demonstrate that a short time ago we would have scoffed at someone taking Grant off us after such a short time, now it is entirely possible. |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 13:46:03 GMT 1
I understand what your saying, but I don't see that as a fault of the Club "it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League"
It's just the way football is. Bigger Clubs will always poach players from the divisions below them.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 13:49:47 GMT 1
I said IF, however it's not something that would surprise me. Agents will see the prospect of making Karlan, and themselves, a few more quid. are we still 'seeing' ourselves as the 'little dogs in the fight' next year?? yep, that would be a fucking great starting point.. every player at every club has an agent looking to better his bank balance via his player(s).. not sure how we become so much 'easier' to lose every player that turns in a decent performance or two??? great surges of 'opinion' that we should spend, spend, spend followed by the waves of 'we should remember who we are and every other club will be able to afford more and keep their better players more than we can' ? sensible and affordable options please which will be down to the club to sort.. raging against the past season and using the next 'pointless fucking exercise of a premier league game' as some sort of pointer for next year is not helping. Pretending anyone who can play a bit is going to up and leave because they just want to is a further bogeyman that in reality does not always come to pass.. Some player at Arsenal on 100k a week waiting on a huge financial move abroad being used in relation to our better players is just ridiculous..He is playing in a team that can still win something, still get his huge bonus for champions league qualification etc etc, he is also personally 'ready and happy' to play and then get his move.. ffs.. I completely agree that we shouldn't abandon our principles of searching for players that are sensible and affordable. What I don't see currently, and there maybe a good reason, is the plan to search for those players to give us a fighting chance of challenging next year, and doing so in a sustainable manner. Since Webber left we have lost something in our approach and we need to get back to that approach, working smartly to be ahead of our rivals. I have said we have an opportunity next season as some of the big spenders will have to be cute to avoid a points penalty. With so many over spending and those in League 1 only having relatively small budgets we should be able to recruit sensibly. Recruitment is never easy and it's hard work but we have proved what is possible before, we need to do so again. Let's be honest if we had a named DOF we would all have more comfort, I think that omission is what is causing the concern. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 13:52:34 GMT 1
I understand what your saying, but I don't see that as a fault of the Club "it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League" It's just the way football is. Bigger Clubs will always poach players from the divisions below them. My point was that we planned poorly this time last year and it has resulted in us losing our Premier League status and as a result we may lose a good recruit (there's an irony there for sure). It is acknowledged that mistakes were made, it has happened, we cannot change things but we can learn and get better. |
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not if nobody comes in for them and offers them the 'incentive' or we agree to let them go for less than we value them at so other clubs might take a 'punt'...
