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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 9, 2019 9:41:15 GMT 1
Try telling that to the "Gerrit Forrard" lot who sit near me - all they want to see is balls lumped into the box, I wonder whether they weren't more happy in Div 2, really! Grant makes things happen, there is no doubt. Like a young Alan Lee............ only better!  To be honest, you could class me in the "Gerrit Forrard" brigade if you like, although I'm not after them lumping it into the box. I am sick to death of the ball going backwards from promising situations (yes, you, Tommy Smith). I yearn for the days of players who will carry the ball at pace, running at midfielders and defenders, dribbling and using a bit of brute strength to batter a way through rather than the careful, patient, ponderous and - dare I say it - negative approach of the last two seasons. I know it's not always successful, but it's usually more exciting to watch when your players are moving forward quickly. There's more to getting the ball forward than simply smashing it upfield... We can agree on that, 100%. The bit I don't get is where there is clearly no forward option - I would rather we kept possession and tried a different route, but that is met with the inevitable "groooooaaaan" and "gerrit forrard"! Apart from my default position of having a good old moan, I suspect this really highlights one of the issue I do have with Town's play - all the good teams not only play the ball forward, but they do it first time, with pace, the players also move with pace (your point above?), we are abysmal at doing that in general. The problem with this is that we are playing good sides, with talented players and too many of our players are just not up to it.....hence David Wagner's style of play where the sum of the parts is much larger than each of the individuals, which has disguised our shortcomings. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Apr 9, 2019 15:49:37 GMT 1
To be honest, you could class me in the "Gerrit Forrard" brigade if you like, although I'm not after them lumping it into the box. I am sick to death of the ball going backwards from promising situations (yes, you, Tommy Smith). I yearn for the days of players who will carry the ball at pace, running at midfielders and defenders, dribbling and using a bit of brute strength to batter a way through rather than the careful, patient, ponderous and - dare I say it - negative approach of the last two seasons. I know it's not always successful, but it's usually more exciting to watch when your players are moving forward quickly. There's more to getting the ball forward than simply smashing it upfield... We can agree on that, 100%. The bit I don't get is where there is clearly no forward option - I would rather we kept possession and tried a different route, but that is met with the inevitable "groooooaaaan" and "gerrit forrard"! Apart from my default position of having a good old moan, I suspect this really highlights one of the issue I do have with Town's play - all the good teams not only play the ball forward, but they do it first time, with pace, the players also move with pace (your point above?), we are abysmal at doing that in general. The problem with this is that we are playing good sides, with talented players and too many of our players are just not up to it.....hence David Wagner's style of play where the sum of the parts is much larger than each of the individuals, which has disguised our shortcomings. Exactly. I don’t think though that our players can’t do it, it’s just they are trying to do it again players who are generally better. Hopefully next season they’ll have more chance to shine. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 14, 2019 6:43:12 GMT 1
This kid is the only ray of hope at the minute. Thought he was excellent yesterday and further convinces me that he could be a 25 goal striker next year. Shame we didn't have Diakhaby or Mbenza to stretch the back line as Grant had them worried yesterday. Also thought Mounie played well when he came on. I haven't said that much this season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:10:54 GMT 1
Bournemouth are after his services next season wants to be back down south them southerners never travel well
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Post by loumacari on Apr 14, 2019 7:19:03 GMT 1
I worry that his performances might have already alerted a few other teams. In some respects he looks like the next Callum Wilson and would be a good replacement for Bournemouth should they decide to cash in. That coupled with the total shambles at the club at the moment could cause Grant to want a move.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:31:21 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 14, 2019 7:36:47 GMT 1
Bournemouth are after his services next season wants to be back down south them southerners never travel well Oi!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:45:12 GMT 1
Ha ha well some 👍
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Post by royrace on Apr 14, 2019 7:49:49 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well Who could blame him, Jan seems to have totally destroyed the fantastic team spirit that the club worked so hard to build. I would imagine the atmosphere about the place is pretty depressing. On the positive side he looks some player, straight out of league one but looks very much at home. I can't see him moving on so quickly, unless Jan is still here next season in which case I think everyone will be off if they can. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:15:37 GMT 1
Don’t kid yourself if it’s true Bournemouth have offered him a very good deal things happen so quickly now
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Post by shawsie on Apr 14, 2019 8:27:16 GMT 1
Don’t kid yourself if it’s true Bournemouth have offered him a very good deal things happen so quickly now If bournemouth have come in......he will be off. Wilson is leaving and they are an established prem team with a strong record of promoting young British players. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 14, 2019 8:43:22 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well Who could blame him, Jan seems to have totally destroyed the fantastic team spirit that the club worked so hard to build. I would imagine the atmosphere about the place is pretty depressing. On the positive side he looks some player, straight out of league one but looks very much at home. I can't see him moving on so quickly, unless Jan is still here next season in which case I think everyone will be off if they can. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards This is correct. The spirit of the past few years now seems to have disappeared. With our limited resources the spirit in our club was perhaps our greatest weapon. Very worrying times. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:51:01 GMT 1
Make a good profit on him
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 14, 2019 8:52:58 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well Who could blame him, Jan seems to have totally destroyed the fantastic team spirit that the club worked so hard to build. I would imagine the atmosphere about the place is pretty depressing. On the positive side he looks some player, straight out of league one but looks very much at home. I can't see him moving on so quickly, unless Jan is still here next season in which case I think everyone will be off if they can. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Are you on a wind up. The team spirit was well broken before Jan came in ffs. And I'm no fan of his appointment either. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 9:01:52 GMT 1
Wind up never been so true mate
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 14, 2019 9:13:27 GMT 1
Will be disappointing if there's any truth in the rumours. He must have known where he was going to end up next season, so if we do let him go in the summer, albeit for some degree of profit, it will stick in the throat a bit, considering all the progress we've made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 9:34:48 GMT 1
Bournemouth are after his services next season wants to be back down south them southerners never travel well Is this made up as i came up with the hypothetical story of Bournemouth selling Wilson and replacing him with Grant on another thread sometime last week. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 14, 2019 22:54:26 GMT 1
Sorry Karlan the MOTD t**ts don't like your goal.
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 6:08:03 GMT 1
Who could blame him, Jan seems to have totally destroyed the fantastic team spirit that the club worked so hard to build. I would imagine the atmosphere about the place is pretty depressing. On the positive side he looks some player, straight out of league one but looks very much at home. I can't see him moving on so quickly, unless Jan is still here next season in which case I think everyone will be off if they can. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Are you on a wind up. The team spirit was well broken before Jan came in ffs. And I'm no fan of his appointment either. Was it really? Any pointers as to how you've come to that conclusion or have you just made it up? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 15, 2019 8:39:07 GMT 1
Are you on a wind up. The team spirit was well broken before Jan came in ffs. And I'm no fan of his appointment either. Was it really? Any pointers as to how you've come to that conclusion or have you just made it up? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Are we at the remincing stage now where we pretend everything was hunky dory compared to the present when it wasn't. We went on the clubs worst run in history, couldn't score in a brothel, lost to all our relegation rivals at home, were sat rock bottom of the league and couldn't see where our next point was coming from. Before siewart was appointed. I thought he was a shit appointment but Wagners hard work had all gone to pot. He and the players had already lost it before siewart came in. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 9:22:09 GMT 1
Was it really? Any pointers as to how you've come to that conclusion or have you just made it up? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Are we at the remincing stage now where we pretend everything was hunky dory compared to the present when it wasn't. We went on the clubs worst run in history, couldn't score in a brothel, lost to all our relegation rivals at home, were sat rock bottom of the league and couldn't see where our next point was coming from. Before siewart was appointed. I thought he was a shit appointment but Wagners hard work had all gone to pot. He and the players had already lost it before siewart came in. If you cant see the difference in the team spirit between then and now then I cant help you. |
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Post by artysid on Apr 15, 2019 9:25:50 GMT 1
Are we at the remincing stage now where we pretend everything was hunky dory compared to the present when it wasn't. We went on the clubs worst run in history, couldn't score in a brothel, lost to all our relegation rivals at home, were sat rock bottom of the league and couldn't see where our next point was coming from. Before siewart was appointed. I thought he was a shit appointment but Wagners hard work had all gone to pot. He and the players had already lost it before siewart came in. If you cant see the difference in the team spirit between then and now then I cant help you. So if we can all agree we were virtually relegated and looking dejected and demotivated before he arrived (with what you're telling us was a good team spirit), it seems that team spirit doesn't appear to be that important. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 15, 2019 9:42:49 GMT 1
If you cant see the difference in the team spirit between then and now then I cant help you. So if we can all agree we were virtually relegated and looking dejected and demotivated before he arrived (with what you're telling us was a good team spirit), it seems that team spirit doesn't appear to be that important. There's a big difference between being demoralised because you're losing games and being demoralised because half the squad have fallen out with the manager and none of you have any respect for him or confidence in his ideas or ability. Little things like taking the captaincy off two senior pros and giving it to their mate don't help either neither does dropping the best player by a mile or playing him out of position. I could go on and on and on. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 15, 2019 10:06:15 GMT 1
If you cant see the difference in the team spirit between then and now then I cant help you. So if we can all agree we were virtually relegated and looking dejected and demotivated before he arrived (with what you're telling us was a good team spirit), it seems that team spirit doesn't appear to be that important. We were, but we’ve looked even worse since he arrived. Would you not have hoped for an improvement under a new manager? We’ve regressed and his decisions/selections haven’t made sense (to me at least). I would always play Mooy in central midfield if he’s fit as an example! Fair play if you think he’s better wide or left on the bench in favour of Stankovic. If we were still losing but looking like a cohesive unit with a system/plan then fine - what we’re witnessing is a mile away from that unfortunately. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 10:12:10 GMT 1
If, and it is an if, Grant leaves at the end of the season it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League. It is entirely possible that a Premier League club will be aware of his ability and be prepared to offer him a chance t stay there. Yes we may make significant profit but I am not sure what good money is to us.
I have absolutely no doubt that we have very good, decent and honourable people running our club but that doesn't mean they make the best decisions. Our approach to the "step change" this was said to be has not been good enough. From being a club with stable structure and foundations we are now reminiscent of a house of cards. If Grant goes it would just underline that, for what ever reasons, we are now on a path that could see is squander the Premier League opportunity. I currently don't see any plan and that is the biggest sadness. The problem that those in charge have is that 29 miles away (I know I walked it) Burnley sit and retain their Premier League status. They have stability, they made a profit, they have an upgraded training facility. They lost their status for a season but maintained stability and have reaped the benefits. Sure their football maybe moribund but that, debatable, negative is balanced by the positives of being in the top league in England.
Right now I have absolutely no idea what is happening, I could not predict what will happen but history gives you a cold chill about our future. If Grant does leave that would really be a sobering realisation of how quickly things have completely unravelled for us. For all the respect I have for DH and his team, and acknowledging personal challenges, I ask that someone gets a hold of this now and demonstrates we do have a plan and we will structure of our future.
5 months ago we had the best manager in 3 generations, we were playing better football than last season in many respects and it was frustrating that our recruitment had left us 2 players away from having a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Today we are every bit as hopeless as the pundits have said we were over the last two years, we have a manager who is dividing opinion, we have a set of players who, understandably, cannot wait for the season to end, there is speculation that a player who looks like he has the ability to help takes us forward may leave, there are gathering rumours of a takeover and some fans are fearing we will struggle in the Championship next season . Bloody hell, 5 months is a long time in football.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 10:14:46 GMT 1
If, and it is an if, Grant leaves at the end of the season it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League. It is entirely possible that a Premier League club will be aware of his ability and be prepared to offer him a chance t stay there. Yes we may make significant profit but I am not sure what good money is to us. I have absolutely no doubt that we have very good, decent and honourable people running our club but that doesn't mean they make the best decisions. Our approach to the "step change" this was said to be has not been good enough. From being a club with stable structure and foundations we are now reminiscent of a house of cards. If Grant goes it would just underline that, for what ever reasons, we are now on a path that could see is squander the Premier League opportunity. I currently don't see any plan and that is the biggest sadness. The problem that those in charge have is that 29 miles away (I know I walked it) Burnley sit and retain their Premier League status. They have stability, they made a profit, they have an upgraded training facility. They lost their status for a season but maintained stability and have reaped the benefits. Sure their football maybe moribund but that, debatable, negative is balanced by the positives of being in the top league in England. Right now I have absolutely no idea what is happening, I could not predict what will happen but history gives you a cold chill about our future. If Grant does leave that would really be a sobering realisation of how quickly things have completely unravelled for us. For all the respect I have for DH and his team, and acknowledging personal challenges, I ask that someone gets a hold of this now and demonstrates we do have a plan and we will structure of our future. 5 months ago we had the best manager in 3 generations, we were playing better football than last season in many respects and it was frustrating that our recruitment had left us 2 players away from having a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Today we are every bit as hopeless as the pundits have said we were over the last two years, we have a manager who is dividing opinion, we have a set of players who, understandably, cannot wait for the season to end, there is speculation that a player who looks like he has the ability to help takes us forward may leave, there are gathering rumours of a takeover and some fans are fearing we will struggle in the Championship next season . Bloody hell, 5 months is a long time in football. Lets hope a takeover stops things like this happening. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 10:17:57 GMT 1
So if we can all agree we were virtually relegated and looking dejected and demotivated before he arrived (with what you're telling us was a good team spirit), it seems that team spirit doesn't appear to be that important. We were, but we’ve looked even worse since he arrived. Would you not have hoped for an improvement under a new manager? We’ve regressed and his decisions/selections haven’t made sense (to me at least). I would always play Mooy in central midfield if he’s fit as an example! Fair play if you think he’s better wide or left on the bench in favour of Stankovic. If we were still losing but looking like a cohesive unit with a system/plan then fine - what we’re witnessing is a mile away from that unfortunately. I can't argue with any of that Floyds. I am prepared to give Siewert considerable slack but that selection and tactic on Saturday was utterly baffling in our current position. Go and have a go and if we get beat 4, 5 etc...so be it at least we had a go. The thing that worries me about him, and he might be fighting with players who have decided their future isn't with us to be fair to him, is that there is a danger he is alienating himself from everyone. Tactics are one thing but man management and bringing people together is a real skill. Has he got it? That is very debatable now. His big problem is that he follows a man whose ability to engage and include everyone was first class. It's difficult for him for sure, but is he making it worse for himself? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 10:22:12 GMT 1
We were, but we’ve looked even worse since he arrived. Would you not have hoped for an improvement under a new manager? We’ve regressed and his decisions/selections haven’t made sense (to me at least). I would always play Mooy in central midfield if he’s fit as an example! Fair play if you think he’s better wide or left on the bench in favour of Stankovic. If we were still losing but looking like a cohesive unit with a system/plan then fine - what we’re witnessing is a mile away from that unfortunately. I can't argue with any of that Floyds. I am prepared to give Siewert considerable slack but that selection and tactic on Saturday was utterly baffling in our current position. Go and have a go and if we get beat 4, 5 etc...so be it at least we had a go. The thing that worries me about him, and he might be fighting with players who have decided their future isn't with us to be fair to him, is that there is a danger he is alienating himself from everyone. Tactics are one thing but man management and bringing people together is a real skill. Has he got it? That is very debatable now. His big problem is that he follows a man whose ability to engage and include everyone was first class. It's difficult for him for sure, but is he making it worse for himself? Completely agree - something DW was excellent at. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 15, 2019 10:24:51 GMT 1
If, and it is an if, Grant leaves at the end of the season it will just show that we have made a complete pigs ear of our approach to life in the Premier League. It is entirely possible that a Premier League club will be aware of his ability and be prepared to offer him a chance t stay there. Yes we may make significant profit but I am not sure what good money is to us. I have absolutely no doubt that we have very good, decent and honourable people running our club but that doesn't mean they make the best decisions. Our approach to the "step change" this was said to be has not been good enough. From being a club with stable structure and foundations we are now reminiscent of a house of cards. If Grant goes it would just underline that, for what ever reasons, we are now on a path that could see is squander the Premier League opportunity. I currently don't see any plan and that is the biggest sadness. The problem that those in charge have is that 29 miles away (I know I walked it) Burnley sit and retain their Premier League status. They have stability, they made a profit, they have an upgraded training facility. They lost their status for a season but maintained stability and have reaped the benefits. Sure their football maybe moribund but that, debatable, negative is balanced by the positives of being in the top league in England. Right now I have absolutely no idea what is happening, I could not predict what will happen but history gives you a cold chill about our future. If Grant does leave that would really be a sobering realisation of how quickly things have completely unravelled for us. For all the respect I have for DH and his team, and acknowledging personal challenges, I ask that someone gets a hold of this now and demonstrates we do have a plan and we will structure of our future. 5 months ago we had the best manager in 3 generations, we were playing better football than last season in many respects and it was frustrating that our recruitment had left us 2 players away from having a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Today we are every bit as hopeless as the pundits have said we were over the last two years, we have a manager who is dividing opinion, we have a set of players who, understandably, cannot wait for the season to end, there is speculation that a player who looks like he has the ability to help takes us forward may leave, there are gathering rumours of a takeover and some fans are fearing we will struggle in the Championship next season . Bloody hell, 5 months is a long time in football. Lets hope a takeover stops things like this happening. In order to stop this slide any takeover needs to be quick and by people who have a plan. A takeover means change and change takes time to bed in. You need to plan for change and be ready for it. If there is no takeover, which I would be happy with, DH needs to delegate to Winter and he needs to be up front and centre telling us all what the actual plan is. This doesn't mean that we answer questions about Siewert it means we have a plan about recruitment, DOF, canalside and where we want to be in 3 years. Football is obviously difficult to predict on the pitch but the structure that underpins it isn't. Let's at least hear about how we are going to be structured going forward and how that will underpin the team Not an unreasonable question and the fact we cannot answer it isn't good. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 10:26:17 GMT 1
He’s already going back to London after training etc doesn’t bode well you and royrace should get together you would be ideal as the new laurel and hardy. |
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