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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 8, 2019 21:33:24 GMT 1
Ok, I've read most of this thread and I can conclude two things. Firstly, e4bandstevieboy is insane. Secondly, I'm in a minority on Mbenza. I rate him and can see lots of potential. I agree the fee is as inflated as a condom at a stag party but he has got something. I'd keep him and I'd play him. He could be devastating in a counter attacking team. We don't play counter attacking though, all the You Tube footage of him excelling is just that, counter attacking. We will next season.  |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 21:33:47 GMT 1
Ok, I've read most of this thread and I can conclude two things. Firstly, e4bandstevieboy is insane. Secondly, I'm in a minority on Mbenza. I rate him and can see lots of potential. I agree the fee is as inflated as a condom at a stag party but he has got something. I'd keep him and I'd play him. He could be devastating in a counter attacking team. We don't play counter attacking though, all the You Tube footage of him excelling is just that, counter attacking. But counter attacking at pace is Jans style, we just have had players with all the pace of an asthmatic tortoise for him to pick from since these 2 got injured |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 8, 2019 21:45:20 GMT 1
We don't play counter attacking though, all the You Tube footage of him excelling is just that, counter attacking. But counter attacking at pace is Jans style, we just have had players with all the pace of an asthmatic tortoise for him to pick from since these 2 got injured THAT...in a nutshell is one of our biggest failings. Think is was Guderian who said "mobility and speed trumps firepower". Oh, and Sun Tzu. We need Blitzkrieg and we got largo. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 8, 2019 21:47:49 GMT 1
We don't play counter attacking though, all the You Tube footage of him excelling is just that, counter attacking. But counter attacking at pace is Jans style, we just have had players with all the pace of an asthmatic tortoise for him to pick from since these 2 got injured If I had Mbenza, Diakhaby and Grant as a front three, I work play counter attack all day long. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 21:48:03 GMT 1
But counter attacking at pace is Jans style, we just have had players with all the pace of an asthmatic tortoise for him to pick from since these 2 got injured THAT...in a nutshell is one of our biggest failings. Think is was Guderian who said "mobility and speed trumps firepower". Oh, and Sun Tzu. We need Blitzkrieg and we got largo. The bloke from Thunderball ?? He had an eye patch, most of ours have played like they were wearing two 😂 |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 8, 2019 21:50:42 GMT 1
THAT...in a nutshell is one of our biggest failings. Think is was Guderian who said "mobility and speed trumps firepower". Oh, and Sun Tzu. We need Blitzkrieg and we got largo. The bloke from Thunderball ?? He had an eye patch, most of ours have played like they were wearing two 😂 Whom? That was an early Bond film i believe. Loved them until i was 9 years old. I now despise them. Nope, i write of the father of Panzer tactics. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 21:55:07 GMT 1
The bloke from Thunderball ?? He had an eye patch, most of ours have played like they were wearing two 😂 Whom? That was an early Bond film i believe. Loved them until i was 9 years old. I now despise them. Nope, i write of the father of Panzer tactics. Aye, I knew who Guderian was. Trouble is, like Town, both him and Largo lost in the end. Here's to blitzkrieging Championship defences next season though 😁 |
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 8, 2019 22:17:33 GMT 1
The bloke from Thunderball ?? He had an eye patch, most of ours have played like they were wearing two 😂 Whom? That was an early Bond film i believe. Loved them until i was 9 years old. I now despise them. Nope, i write of the father of Panzer tactics. Bollocks. Ian Flemming wasn't even born when you were 9.  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 9, 2019 6:33:03 GMT 1
Whom? That was an early Bond film i believe. Loved them until i was 9 years old. I now despise them. Nope, i write of the father of Panzer tactics. Aye, I knew who Guderian was. Trouble is, like Town, both him and Largo lost in the end. Here's to blitzkrieging Championship defences next season though 😁 Who is Largo? I meant "largo" as in slow music! |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 9, 2019 11:07:03 GMT 1
Does having a pacy front 3 mean that they can only play a counter attacking style?
Liverpool's results with their pacy front three would probably argue differently - IMO it means you can break with devastating quickness and run past the opposition defenders but that doesn't mean it only restricts itself to a counter attacking style of play!
It definitely means that we can turn defence into attack quickly but we are allowed to play on the front foot too.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 9, 2019 11:15:25 GMT 1
Aye, I knew who Guderian was. Trouble is, like Town, both him and Largo lost in the end. Here's to blitzkrieging Championship defences next season though 😁 Who is Largo? I meant "largo" as in slow music! He was the baddy with the eye patch in Thunderball, he was No.2 in Spectre |
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 9, 2019 11:33:35 GMT 1
Who is Largo? I meant "largo" as in slow music! He was the baddy with the eye patch in Thunderball, he was No.2 in SpectreAre you saying Largo was s**t! |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 9, 2019 12:21:47 GMT 1
He was the baddy with the eye patch in Thunderball, he was No.2 in SpectreAre you saying Largo was s**t! Yes |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 9, 2019 13:18:47 GMT 1
The bloke from Thunderball ?? He had an eye patch, most of ours have played like they were wearing two 😂 Whom? That was an early Bond film i believe. Loved them until i was 9 years old. I now despise them. Nope, i write of the father of Panzer tactics. Yes, I know of General Heinz Guderian and his Panzers. And you're right about our need for Blitzkrieg and only getting largo instead. |
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Post by Ross83 on Apr 27, 2019 1:01:43 GMT 1
I thought this lad did okay tonight, was one of the calmest on the ball, looked dangerous in our opening "patch" and used his body well and showed strength when most were being bullied.
I've seen someone slate him on another thread which I thought a little unfair considering how many worse performances there were out there tonight.. He seems to have come a long way since those first few appearances where he looked like he'd never kicked a football before.
Looks promising now, just still not sure about his price.. It's a big risk and look how 14m Mounie had panned out.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 27, 2019 1:13:49 GMT 1
I thought this lad did okay tonight, was one of the calmest on the ball, looked dangerous in our opening "patch" and used his body well and showed strength when most were being bullied. I've seen someone slate him on another thread which I thought a little unfair considering how many worse performances there were out there tonight.. He seems to have come a long way since those first few appearances where he looked like he'd never kicked a football before. Looks promising now, just still not sure about his price.. It's a big risk and look how 14m Mounie had panned out. Not really sure what you’ve seen that makes you think he looks promising apart from the odd decent ball into the box, he’s been a shocker of a signing in my opinion. |
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Post by willo on Apr 27, 2019 1:50:53 GMT 1
Not sure this bloke’s any better than Mustapha Carayol tbh and he certainly isn’t worth anywhere close to the supposed £12m(?) price tag. If there’s even the slightest truth in that figure or that a permanent deal will go through this summer, boy did they have our pants down!
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 27, 2019 9:03:39 GMT 1
Not sure this bloke’s any better than Mustapha Carayol tbh and he certainly isn’t worth anywhere close to the supposed £12m(?) price tag. If there’s even the slightest truth in that figure or that a permanent deal will go through this summer, boy did they have our pants down! I wouldn’t want him on a free. He’s awful I can handle them not being good enough but the lazy sod strolled around for 90 mins again trying his very best to not get involved I can’t repeat the language my 17 year old daughter used when she read that IM and SM were in the starting 11 again  did jan see on Saturday to give them a starting berth??? |
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Post by terrier030702 on Apr 27, 2019 20:24:15 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this up again but are we any closer to knowing what the situation is with him?
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Post by yappledapple on Apr 27, 2019 20:29:38 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this up again but are we any closer to knowing what the situation is with him? In Jan’s spreadsheet of players for next season, he is firmly under the column headed ‘SURPLUS TO REQUIREMENTS’ (polite for 💩). There area quite a few others under this column as well! |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 27, 2019 20:46:54 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this up again but are we any closer to knowing what the situation is with him? I think the fact he is playing tells you all you need to know There are quite a few players either out of contract or who have made noises that they are leaving, they are not involved (excluding Lossl due to exceptional circumstances due to Hamer being terrible). Yet Mbenza is being picked regularly when fit |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 27, 2019 20:48:55 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this up again but are we any closer to knowing what the situation is with him? I think the fact he is playing tells you all you need to know There are quite a few players either out of contract or who have made noises that they are leaving, they are not involved (excluding Lossl due to exceptional circumstances due to Hamer being terrible). Yet Mbenza is being picked regularly when fit By implication that must mean Durm will be here next year too? |
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Post by Ross83 on Apr 27, 2019 20:50:44 GMT 1
It could be that the fee has already been agreed and put aside from this seasons budget, in which case if it has then signing him maybe a gamble but it could be one that turns out well.
I think people are also forgetting how young he is and the fact the Belgium U21's obviously see something in him.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 27, 2019 20:51:29 GMT 1
I think the fact he is playing tells you all you need to know There are quite a few players either out of contract or who have made noises that they are leaving, they are not involved (excluding Lossl due to exceptional circumstances due to Hamer being terrible). Yet Mbenza is being picked regularly when fit By implication that must mean Durm will be here next year too? Potentially as we do have an option on him for another year which he can't do anything about if we want to activate it. I'd keep him if it was as a right back but not at left back |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 20:52:01 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this up again but are we any closer to knowing what the situation is with him? I think the fact he is playing tells you all you need to know There are quite a few players either out of contract or who have made noises that they are leaving, they are not involved (excluding Lossl due to exceptional circumstances due to Hamer being terrible). Yet Mbenza is being picked regularly when fit Because we don’t have any other wingers maybe? |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 27, 2019 20:52:17 GMT 1
By implication that must mean Durm will be here next year too? Potentially as we do have an option on him for another year which he can't do anything about if we want to activate it. I'd keep him if it was as a right back but not at left back Left back with Löwe in front of him 😱 |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 27, 2019 20:57:51 GMT 1
I think the fact he is playing tells you all you need to know There are quite a few players either out of contract or who have made noises that they are leaving, they are not involved (excluding Lossl due to exceptional circumstances due to Hamer being terrible). Yet Mbenza is being picked regularly when fit Because we don’t have any other wingers maybe? We were short in midfield last night but he still put Stankovic out there and not Billing or Sabiri who are on their way out He could have played Kachunga instead of Mbenza My point is that if he was just on loan, he wouldn't have appeared again just like Puncheon hasn't. We wouldn't be giving this much game time to someone who is not one of our players |
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Post by townohiofan on Apr 27, 2019 22:13:21 GMT 1
Had our best cross of the night but was out of position on a few occasions. I think he'll be able to use his speed to make up for poor decisions next season. Still very young. Need to have patience.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 27, 2019 22:17:44 GMT 1
Because we don’t have any other wingers maybe? We were short in midfield last night but he still put Stankovic out there and not Billing or Sabiri who are on their way out He could have played Kachunga instead of Mbenza My point is that if he was just on loan, he wouldn't have appeared again just like Puncheon hasn't. We wouldn't be giving this much game time to someone who is not one of our players He could but then fuck all would have gone into the bin dippers box if he had, never mind owt dangerous |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 28, 2019 19:47:53 GMT 1
Does having a pacy front 3 mean that they can only play a counter attacking style? Liverpool's results with their pacy front three would probably argue differently - IMO it means you can break with devastating quickness and run past the opposition defenders but that doesn't mean it only restricts itself to a counter attacking style of play! It definitely means that we can turn defence into attack quickly but we are allowed to play on the front foot too. Agree in principle, bu they also have a decent amount of guile and composure - a combination of Mbenza, Diakhaby and Grant wouldn't. |
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