Mbenza

[space hardware]

Apr 28, 2019 19:47:53 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Apr 9, 2019 11:07:03 GMT 1 Doc Halladay 32 said:

Does having a pacy front 3 mean that they can only play a counter attacking style?

Liverpool's results with their pacy front three would probably argue differently - IMO it means you can break with devastating quickness and run past the opposition defenders but that doesn't mean it only restricts itself to a counter attacking style of play!

It definitely means that we can turn defence into attack quickly but we are allowed to play on the front foot too.

Agree in principle, bu they also have a decent amount of guile and composure - a combination of Mbenza, Diakhaby and Grant wouldn't.

Looking at the defending in the Championship this season I'm not sure guile and composure is a prerequisite for success in an attacking unit 😂😂

[Million Dollar Babies]

Mbenza showed plenty of guile and composure with that lovely pass to play Smith in last week

He and Diakhaby will be completely different players at that level

[shawsie]

Apr 28, 2019 20:07:50 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Mbenza showed plenty of guile and composure with that lovely pass to play Smith in last week

He and Diakhaby will be completely different players at that level

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 28, 2019 20:09:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:07:50 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Mbenza showed plenty of guile and composure with that lovely pass to play Smith in last week

He and Diakhaby will be completely different players at that level

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

How many goals did VLP get in his 3 championship seasons?

Mbenza got more than all those seasons combined in one Ligue 1 season last year. He'll be just fine in the Championship

[shawsie]

Apr 28, 2019 20:12:15 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:09:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

How many goals did VLP get in his 3 championship seasons?

Mbenza got more than all those seasons combined in one Ligue 1 season last year. He'll be just fine in the Championship

Not for us he won't.....hopefully

[Porrohman]

Apr 28, 2019 19:47:53 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Apr 9, 2019 11:07:03 GMT 1 Doc Halladay 32 said:

Does having a pacy front 3 mean that they can only play a counter attacking style?

Liverpool's results with their pacy front three would probably argue differently - IMO it means you can break with devastating quickness and run past the opposition defenders but that doesn't mean it only restricts itself to a counter attacking style of play!

It definitely means that we can turn defence into attack quickly but we are allowed to play on the front foot too.

Agree in principle, bu they also have a decent amount of guile and composure - a combination of Mbenza, Diakhaby and Grant wouldn't.

They might if they were all £50m+ players 😉

[Porrohman]

Apr 28, 2019 20:09:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:07:50 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Mbenza showed plenty of guile and composure with that lovely pass to play Smith in last week

He and Diakhaby will be completely different players at that level

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

He puts dangerous crosses in each game, he's the only one to put decent corners in too but none of that fits with the agenda of everything being his fault. I'd rather have to choose from him, Diakhaby, VLP and Rowe for the wide roles than having Kachunga or Quaner just being there to make up the XI.

[drfootball]

Apr 29, 2019 12:16:20 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:09:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

He puts dangerous crosses in each game, he's the only one to put decent corners in too but none of that fits with the agenda of everything being his fault. I'd rather have to choose from him, Diakhaby, VLP and Rowe for the wide roles than having Kachunga or Quaner just being there to make up the XI.

I may have come to this party late but isn’t he on loan ? I can’t see us parting with 7-8 -10 million or whatever he is worth , he may or may not be better than what we have but he’s not 10 million pounds better

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 29, 2019 12:26:44 GMT 1 drfootball said:

Apr 29, 2019 12:16:20 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He puts dangerous crosses in each game, he's the only one to put decent corners in too but none of that fits with the agenda of everything being his fault. I'd rather have to choose from him, Diakhaby, VLP and Rowe for the wide roles than having Kachunga or Quaner just being there to make up the XI.

I may have come to this party late but isn’t he on loan ? I can’t see us parting with 7-8 -10 million or whatever he is worth , he may or may not be better than what we have but he’s not 10 million pounds better

We might not have a choice if we already agreed to it 9 months ago

[Porrohman]

Apr 29, 2019 12:26:44 GMT 1 drfootball said:

Apr 29, 2019 12:16:20 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He puts dangerous crosses in each game, he's the only one to put decent corners in too but none of that fits with the agenda of everything being his fault. I'd rather have to choose from him, Diakhaby, VLP and Rowe for the wide roles than having Kachunga or Quaner just being there to make up the XI.

I may have come to this party late but isn’t he on loan ? I can’t see us parting with 7-8 -10 million or whatever he is worth , he may or may not be better than what we have but he’s not 10 million pounds better

Dunno mate, there's been a rumour going all season that we've signed him but only announced it as a loan for tax reasons affecting Montpellier. While I agree he doesn't look a £10m player neither does Mounie, Pritchard or Tom Ince but that's what they transferred for.

[specialun]

Apr 28, 2019 20:12:15 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:09:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

1 cross and 1 pass this season.....what next? 3 and 2?? And maybe a goal?!
Give me VLP every time on what I've seen so far.

How many goals did VLP get in his 3 championship seasons?

Mbenza got more than all those seasons combined in one Ligue 1 season last year. He'll be just fine in the Championship

Presumably you want Quanner to start?

He got 4 times as many assists on the premier league last season as Mbenza has managed this from a similar number of games

[Tinpot]

Apr 28, 2019 20:07:50 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

He and Diakhaby will be completely different players at that level

If they're still here next season then I certainly bloody hope so!

[Captainslapper]

If hes a completely different player, he might be worth keeping.

[royrace]

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT 1 royrace said:

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

He's not on that much as we took over his contract from Montpellier. Not sure if that changes in the summer when it turns permanently. Most likely it will increase

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Apr 29, 2019 17:02:11 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT 1 royrace said:

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

He's not on that much as we took over his contract from Montpellier. Not sure if that changes in the summer when it turns permanently. Most likely it will increase

Probably, however our negotiators will have included the relegation salary reduction clauses as with all our other squad members.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Apr 29, 2019 14:37:42 GMT 1 specialun said:

Apr 28, 2019 20:12:15 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

How many goals did VLP get in his 3 championship seasons?

Mbenza got more than all those seasons combined in one Ligue 1 season last year. He'll be just fine in the Championship

Presumably you want Quanner to start?

He got 4 times as many assists on the premier league last season as Mbenza has managed this from a similar number of games

Same number of games but the minutes played stand at Mbenza 590 minutes to Big Coll's 1292 minutes last season.

Are you really going to use the subjective stat that is the assist one - to base your argument on?

Really.....

The best cross ever made in the world of football counts for nothing if the striker misses the chance and a skewed mishit pass is an assist if a striker finishes it!

Big Col's contribution to Town's previous 2 seasons shouldn't be diminished but the overused (on here at least) mention of his 4 assists last season have taken on some sort of legendary status and IMO should not be used as a stick when comparing the efforts of Diakhaby and Mbenza this season.

[royrace]

Apr 29, 2019 17:02:11 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT 1 royrace said:

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

He's not on that much as we took over his contract from Montpellier. Not sure if that changes in the summer when it turns permanently. Most likely it will increase

If we negotiated as well on the wages as we did with the fee he'll likely be on £100k per week. Really hoping we can send him back and write off the £3M plus wages. 

[drfootball]

Apr 29, 2019 12:58:58 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 29, 2019 12:26:44 GMT 1 drfootball said:

I may have come to this party late but isn’t he on loan ? I can’t see us parting with 7-8 -10 million or whatever he is worth , he may or may not be better than what we have but he’s not 10 million pounds better

We might not have a choice if we already agreed to it 9 months ago

Agreed I just think like most, we will have more important gaps in our team sheet where we can waste ....ups I mean spend 10 millio quido

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 29, 2019 17:07:11 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:02:11 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

He's not on that much as we took over his contract from Montpellier. Not sure if that changes in the summer when it turns permanently. Most likely it will increase

Probably, however our negotiators will have included the relegation salary reduction clauses as with all our other squad members.

There's a site with all the wages on (could be nonsense but looks fairly accurate against our total wage costs of last season) and it has him on about £8k I think and one of our lowest earners. It adds up really as Montpellier are one of the lowest payers in Ligue 1 with an average annual salary of £500,000 euros.

That's not much even in the Championship so if it does become permanent, I'd expect that to atleast double 

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Apr 29, 2019 17:34:47 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:07:11 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Probably, however our negotiators will have included the relegation salary reduction clauses as with all our other squad members.

There's a site with all the wages on (could be nonsense but looks fairly accurate against our total wage costs of last season) and it has him on about £8k I think and one of our lowest earners. It adds up really as Montpellier are one of the lowest payers in Ligue 1 with an average annual salary of £500,000 euros.

That's not much even in the Championship so if it does become permanent, I'd expect that to atleast double 

That's fair enough, the fact Siewert is playing him at this late stage suggests to me he's our player, all the teeth gnashing and wailing ain't going to alter that.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 29, 2019 17:15:23 GMT 1 royrace said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:02:11 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

He's not on that much as we took over his contract from Montpellier. Not sure if that changes in the summer when it turns permanently. Most likely it will increase

If we negotiated as well on the wages as we did with the fee he'll likely be on £100k per week. Really hoping we can send him back and write off the £3M plus wages. 

Expensive for an annual contribution of a couple of crosses.
Hope we send him back.

[capitalterrier]

Apr 29, 2019 17:41:55 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:34:47 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

There's a site with all the wages on (could be nonsense but looks fairly accurate against our total wage costs of last season) and it has him on about £8k I think and one of our lowest earners. It adds up really as Montpellier are one of the lowest payers in Ligue 1 with an average annual salary of £500,000 euros.

That's not much even in the Championship so if it does become permanent, I'd expect that to atleast double 

That's fair enough, the fact Siewert is playing him at this late stage suggests to me he's our player, all the teeth gnashing and wailing ain't going to alter that.

Correct. That's why he is in the team and Williams, for example, is nowhere near the 11.

[Tinpot]

Apr 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT 1 royrace said:

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

I was under the impression that it was £13m, but £2m of that has already been paid as the loan fee, and the remainder is due if we decide to make the deal permanent.

[Tinpot]

Apr 29, 2019 17:41:55 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:34:47 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

There's a site with all the wages on (could be nonsense but looks fairly accurate against our total wage costs of last season) and it has him on about £8k I think and one of our lowest earners. It adds up really as Montpellier are one of the lowest payers in Ligue 1 with an average annual salary of £500,000 euros.

That's not much even in the Championship so if it does become permanent, I'd expect that to atleast double 

That's fair enough, the fact Siewert is playing him at this late stage suggests to me he's our player, all the teeth gnashing and wailing ain't going to alter that.

Or that he's taking the option to look at him before deciding whether to make the deal permanent, and that he's already decided on Williams.

Based on what I've seen so far - for all that I have backed JS up to now - signing Mbenza on a permanent deal would raise serious questions about his judgement.

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Apr 29, 2019 21:34:50 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Apr 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT 1 royrace said:

The price is £13M not £10M which would be hilarious if it wasn't Town. I dread to think how much he's on per week.

I seriously wouldn't sign him on a free.

I was under the impression that it was £13m, but £2m of that has already been paid as the loan fee, and the remainder is due if we decide to make the deal permanent.

I thought it was €13m not £13m.

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Apr 29, 2019 21:37:54 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Apr 29, 2019 17:41:55 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

That's fair enough, the fact Siewert is playing him at this late stage suggests to me he's our player, all the teeth gnashing and wailing ain't going to alter that.

Or that he's taking the option to look at him before deciding whether to make the deal permanent, and that he's already decided on Williams.

Based on what I've seen so far - for all that I have backed JS up to now - signing Mbenza on a permanent deal would raise serious questions about his judgement.

Though one as dropping to Championship he might be really good and also have benefitted from a season in English football. Some pace if we had him, Diakhaby and Grant up front as a 3, but need them to be able to score goals and that’s what we don’t know that they will be able to do with the exception of Grant.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 29, 2019 21:44:36 GMT 1 @htfc79 said:

Apr 29, 2019 21:37:54 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Or that he's taking the option to look at him before deciding whether to make the deal permanent, and that he's already decided on Williams.

Based on what I've seen so far - for all that I have backed JS up to now - signing Mbenza on a permanent deal would raise serious questions about his judgement.

Though one as dropping to Championship he might be really good and also have benefitted from a season in English football. Some pace if we had him, Diakhaby and Grant up front as a 3, but need them to be able to score goals and that’s what we don’t know that they will be able to do with the exception of Grant.

Mbenza got 8 goals from wide last season

That strike against Watford shows he can hit a ball. That's what's annoying about him, he can get a difficult chance like that on target but then nearly hit the corner flag when one on one

A bit of confidence and he will tear the Championship apart

[Tinpot]

Apr 29, 2019 21:41:06 GMT 1 @htfc79 said:

Apr 29, 2019 21:34:50 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I was under the impression that it was £13m, but £2m of that has already been paid as the loan fee, and the remainder is due if we decide to make the deal permanent.

I thought it was €13m not £13m.

You may be right. I couldn't swear either way.

[Tinpot]

Apr 29, 2019 15:36:03 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

If hes a completely different player, he might be worth keeping.