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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 13, 2019 12:29:17 GMT 1
Who would take his 40k a week wages on? He isn't on anywhere near 40k now we've been relegated |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 13, 2019 15:27:34 GMT 1
Who would take his 40k a week wages on? He isn't on anywhere near 40k now we've been relegated No but his wages will still put people off signing him |
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Post by htfc63 on May 13, 2019 16:48:49 GMT 1
Whilst I know the service to the forwards has been poor however when chances have been created his positioning has been really poor. He has rarely made his presence felt in the penalty area, has abysmal ball control and I would also say there was a distinct lack of effort in some games. My hope is he can find another club as I would hate to think we were going into a campaign relying on him to improve our strike rate.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on May 13, 2019 16:52:27 GMT 1
Worth keeping until January unless he wants out IMO. The most extreme example of a confidence player I've ever seen.
He showed throughout the 17-18 season that he's got PL quality. In a team that created more chances he'd have got 12-15 goals. There's a reason people were calling for better providers last summer rather than better strikers.
When it became apparent Wagner didn't trust any of the new providing players, Mounie became completely isolated in a ridiculous 5-3-1-1 formation. For a striker (most expensive position in football)to do what's required in that formation, would need to have the all round talent that only elite players have.
The natural result of that is that he had as few as 1 or 2 chances per game, and a lot more pressure to finish the ones he got, particularly before he got off the mark (a problem he didn't have the previous season). His confidence became completely shot, so he stopped 'gambling', he was clearly terrified of goalscoring situations.
The point is that regardless of his wage, he's a human being and he clearly wanted the season to end as much as we did. Maybe a couple of goals on the opening day next season and suddenly we're looking at a difficult season for Championship defenders.
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Post by detox on May 13, 2019 17:00:52 GMT 1
I keep thinking of how well he scored that goal at WBA last season...cool, calm and right in the corner....Where did that man go ?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 17:11:07 GMT 1
If he is sold, we're getting nowhere near what we paid out for him. Which top side is going to want him after how he's played for the majority of the last 2 years? If he stays, I hope he is at best 3rd choice, behind Grant and 1 other. His movement in the box is terrible, and he's missed so many sitters this year. Back to France, youll see. Between £4-6m |
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Post by sabailand on May 13, 2019 17:46:16 GMT 1
I reckon he`d do well in the championship, him and Grant would be fine by me.
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Post by TTCMatt on May 13, 2019 18:51:38 GMT 1
Worth keeping until January unless he wants out IMO. The most extreme example of a confidence player I've ever seen. He showed throughout the 17-18 season that he's got PL quality. In a team that created more chances he'd have got 12-15 goals. There's a reason people were calling for better providers last summer rather than better strikers. When it became apparent Wagner didn't trust any of the new providing players, Mounie became completely isolated in a ridiculous 5-3-1-1 formation. For a striker (most expensive position in football)to do what's required in that formation, would need to have the all round talent that only elite players have. The natural result of that is that he had as few as 1 or 2 chances per game, and a lot more pressure to finish the ones he got, particularly before he got off the mark (a problem he didn't have the previous season). His confidence became completely shot, so he stopped 'gambling', he was clearly terrified of goalscoring situations. The point is that regardless of his wage, he's a human being and he clearly wanted the season to end as much as we did. Maybe a couple of goals on the opening day next season and suddenly we're looking at a difficult season for Championship defenders. I agree with this and I like the guy, but I'd also add that he looks to have become heavy. Not so much his body shape, but he seems to have lost half a yard of speed, is quite a heavy, clompy runner and as such his acceleration, speed and sharpness on the turn has really regressed. I agree he's short of confidence but there seems to be something else that I can't quite put a finger on as well (as I don't see it being fitness with DW and JS as head coaches). If a sharp 433 which requires speed and running off of the ball is the way to go next season I'm not so sure Steve fits into that either. The central striking position is a point of concern for me as Grant IMO struggles to lead the line centrally, whereas Steve can lead the line but potentially will slow down play through the cumbersome technique we've seen over the last 12 months. It might be best to cut our losses and try bring in a forward who leads the line and can drop off in the 433 system so we can utilise Grant in doing what he does best and coming alive in the box. Sadly that'll probably be quite expensive. I'd like Mounie to turn it around and be the front line leader a lot think he can be, but I'm not sure he's got that nasty side to him that you often need to lead the line effectively in The Championship. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 13, 2019 21:45:40 GMT 1
His holiday snaps look good.
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Post by jstorr13 on May 13, 2019 21:54:58 GMT 1
Definately, he hasn’t featured much since JS has come in and I think he would more suited to european football, somewhere like France or Holland, rather than the style that we play over here.
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Post by mrbluesky on May 13, 2019 22:27:29 GMT 1
He’s just not very good and is not made or cut out for English football , does no have a good enough first touch or vision o be a target man , not enough pace or work rate to be the loan striker and too selfish and lazy to be part of a front pair.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 13, 2019 22:30:11 GMT 1
Lets buy him a french poodle to take on his jet back to France.
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Post by bluestripe on May 13, 2019 23:11:52 GMT 1
Lets buy him a french poodle to take on his jet back to France. Il s'appelle Nickypoo. Au revoir. |
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Post by Town Duppy on May 13, 2019 23:57:34 GMT 1
In order for him to leave doesn't he need to turn up first?
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Post by ambryboy on May 14, 2019 0:27:58 GMT 1
In order for him to leave doesn't he need to turn up first? Ouch, that's harsh! |
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Post by detox on May 14, 2019 9:33:29 GMT 1
Thing is too, he's only 24..and for a striker that's quite young..he's still learning his trade. i hope he has learned a lot from this season not least how to toughen up a bit, get wise with defenders and develop a bit more alertness.. I think he's worth a punt in the Championship especially if he gets more support around him in a more attacking game plan under JS.
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Post by k1man999 on May 14, 2019 10:02:10 GMT 1
Thing is too, he's only 24..and for a striker that's quite young..he's still learning his trade. i hope he has learned a lot from this season not least how to toughen up a bit, get wise with defenders and develop a bit more alertness.. I think he's worth a punt in the Championship especially if he gets more support around him in a more attacking game plan under JS. 24 is not young even for a striker, grant showed him up for work rate, touch, on field intelligence etc. Mounie first touch is a pass the next a tackle/attempt as he can't trap a bag of sand most of the time. As said the basics should already be there effort, running, touch etc. |
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Post by detox on May 14, 2019 10:17:32 GMT 1
Thing is too, he's only 24..and for a striker that's quite young..he's still learning his trade. i hope he has learned a lot from this season not least how to toughen up a bit, get wise with defenders and develop a bit more alertness.. I think he's worth a punt in the Championship especially if he gets more support around him in a more attacking game plan under JS. 24 is not young even for a striker, grant showed him up for work rate, touch, on field intelligence etc. Mounie first touch is a pass the next a tackle/attempt as he can't trap a bag of sand most of the time. As said the basics should already be there effort, running, touch etc. I know what you're saying, but they're different types of strikers - Grant doesn't play the target man leading the line like Mounie' has to..I agree too Mounie' has 'lost it' this season but then again had Grant been playing this role all season I'm pretty sure Grant would be a bit fed up of being isolated up top. I'm for giving Mounie' a second chance in the Championship, working with a fellow striker in a more attack minded set up..if that doesn't work for him then sure, get rid in January... |
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Post by yellowbelly on May 14, 2019 11:10:43 GMT 1
He’s just not very good and is not made or cut out for English football , does no have a good enough first touch or vision o be a target man , not enough pace or work rate to be the loan striker and too selfish and lazy to be part of a front pair. Yeah but apart from that |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on May 14, 2019 11:33:47 GMT 1
Grant is way way way ahead of Mounie on ability, and he was signed for well below Mounies signing on fee
The club wont get anything near what they paid for Mounie as surely his selling price would be based on his recent scoring record which was shite to say the least
Town cannot afford to waste the paracute payments as " LITTLE OR NO " more room for error next season especially if town are going to be able to demand a top six championship place.ould
I would like to know the wage demands for any failed retained players ,and if they are anywhere near what they were paid in the premier leaguehe
What Jan needs to do is go back to basics ,and lets hope they can improve on the failings of this season
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Post by nah1 on May 14, 2019 11:34:53 GMT 1
Seem to remember that, when he came Mountie said that Drogba was his hero and the the guy he wanted to emulate.
Well, he has the same build, the same skin colour and is not far off as good in the air. But that’s really it - pace, work rate, finishing ability, football intelligence, aggression, ball control - all miles away and he shows no sign of having the desire and will to close the gap.
That first match against Palace was the shortest false dawn ever.
Hope we manage to find someone to take him off our hands.,,,
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Post by crux on May 14, 2019 11:48:48 GMT 1
If he is sold, we're getting nowhere near what we paid out for him. Which top side is going to want him after how he's played for the majority of the last 2 years? If he stays, I hope he is at best 3rd choice, behind Grant and 1 other. His movement in the box is terrible, and he's missed so many sitters this year. Back to France, youll see. Between £4-6m To be honest, I'd take that - ideally £6m and then make a profit on Zanka, plus sell Billing for £15m+. I'd rather have 3 Grants at £2m each 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 12:11:24 GMT 1
Thing is too, he's only 24..and for a striker that's quite young..he's still learning his trade. i hope he has learned a lot from this season not least how to toughen up a bit, get wise with defenders and develop a bit more alertness.. I think he's worth a punt in the Championship especially if he gets more support around him in a more attacking game plan under JS. 24 is not young even for a striker, grant showed him up for work rate, touch, on field intelligence etc. Mounie first touch is a pass the next a tackle/attempt as he can't trap a bag of sand most of the time. As said the basics should already be there effort, running, touch etc. You’re describing Nahki and Boothy. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 14, 2019 12:20:05 GMT 1
Seem to remember that, when he came Mountie said that Drogba was his hero and the the guy he wanted to emulate. Well, he has the same build, the same skin colour and is not far off as good in the air. But that’s really it - pace, work rate, finishing ability, football intelligence, aggression, ball control - all miles away and he shows no sign of having the desire and will to close the gap. That first match against Palace was the shortest false dawn ever. Hope we manage to find someone to take him off our hands.,,, Taking each player at their best I don't think he's anywhere near tbh. Mounie still has time to improve I guess but he's got a lot of work to do. |
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Post by deo1 on May 14, 2019 14:15:41 GMT 1
I think he'll hit the ground running in the Championship and wouldn't be far off top goal scorer in the league along with Grant. The standard in the PL compared to the Championship is massive, we'll be playing against weaker teams week in week out from what we've been used to and that experience of playing against world class players will be beneficial in the long run.
We're going to play with wingers so we'll be getting plenty of balls into the box and who would you mark out of them two? Ones really good in the air while the others a potent finisher with a keen eye for goal. I'm looking forward to next season with real optimism and believe we can make a quick return back to the PL even with just a few additions as our squad is quite strong for a Championship club even with a few of the big names leaving. The one thing we are lacking in is a bit of confidence and that winning feeling and mentality which can easily be brought back with a good preseason.
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Post by Porrohman on May 14, 2019 17:49:26 GMT 1
He’s just not very good and is not made or cut out for English football , does no have a good enough first touch or vision o be a target man , not enough pace or work rate to be the loan striker and too selfish and lazy to be part of a front pair. But we got £8m for someone with those same traits 😉😁 |
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Post by Ross83 on May 14, 2019 19:18:30 GMT 1
Back to France, youll see. Between £4-6m To be honest, I'd take that - ideally £6m and then make a profit on Zanka, plus sell Billing for £15m+. I'd rather have 3 Grants at £2m each 😉 We won't get another Grant at that price for a long time unfortunately.. Looking like an absolute steal. Although I thought the same with Rhodes and that wasn't too long ago so I hope I'm proven wrong. We never seem to bring through many players but we do have a knack for making a tidy profit. Crazy the money we're talking for Billing too now, sure he cost around 180k. |
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Post by specialun on May 14, 2019 22:10:01 GMT 1
Much criticised Mounie had a poor season
But had more goals & assists (total 5) than anyone else in the team
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Post by impact on May 14, 2019 22:12:13 GMT 1
Much criticised Mounie had a poor season But had more goals & assists (total 5) than anyone else in the team As our main striker for the majority of the season, he probably should have. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on May 15, 2019 9:28:50 GMT 1
Steve will get attention from Ligue 1, even though he didn’t have his best season here. Saint Etienne were interested last off-season. In January, apparently Nice and Marseille were interested. While we probably won’t get everything back for him, could easily see us getting €7-10m for him.
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