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Post by Amigo on May 17, 2019 11:54:17 GMT 1
Well Ive never said he gets bullied. Don;t think he does if he actually gets in a position to put in a challenge. He doesn;t need to put effort in to be in position to challenge for a punt upfield from Lossl. The keeper will generally put it pretty much where he is and losing your marker doesn;t really apply. I wouldn;t criticise that part of his game as its the one thing he could actually do well. But that is not the full story when thinking of aerial stats Its in and around the opposition area where he would not put the effort in to find space or win a header. Thats the more important part of those aerial stats. His movement and anticipation is abysmal and frankly bone idle. He basically marks the centre back. Weve had worse forwards down the years ( not that many though ) but when you factor in the money.. what we bought him for and the wages he will have taken from us, then IMO hes the stand out worst centre forward this clubs ever had. Did Lossl play that many long punts? A large criticism of us has been playing out from the back too much. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 17, 2019 12:01:45 GMT 1
Well Ive never said he gets bullied. Don;t think he does if he actually gets in a position to put in a challenge. He doesn;t need to put effort in to be in position to challenge for a punt upfield from Lossl. The keeper will generally put it pretty much where he is and losing your marker doesn;t really apply. I wouldn;t criticise that part of his game as its the one thing he could actually do well. But that is not the full story when thinking of aerial stats Its in and around the opposition area where he would not put the effort in to find space or win a header. Thats the more important part of those aerial stats. His movement and anticipation is abysmal and frankly bone idle. He basically marks the centre back. Weve had worse forwards down the years ( not that many though ) but when you factor in the money.. what we bought him for and the wages he will have taken from us, then IMO hes the stand out worst centre forward this clubs ever had. You can't factor in the level of wages and fees to your argument and then not factor in the level of competition and football inflation. That's straight out of the Otium book of debating. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2019 14:32:33 GMT 1
Well Ive never said he gets bullied. Don;t think he does if he actually gets in a position to put in a challenge. He doesn;t need to put effort in to be in position to challenge for a punt upfield from Lossl. The keeper will generally put it pretty much where he is and losing your marker doesn;t really apply. I wouldn;t criticise that part of his game as its the one thing he could actually do well. But that is not the full story when thinking of aerial stats Its in and around the opposition area where he would not put the effort in to find space or win a header. Thats the more important part of those aerial stats. His movement and anticipation is abysmal and frankly bone idle. He basically marks the centre back. Weve had worse forwards down the years ( not that many though ) but when you factor in the money.. what we bought him for and the wages he will have taken from us, then IMO hes the stand out worst centre forward this clubs ever had. You can't factor in the level of wages and fees to your argument and then not factor in the level of competition and football inflation. That's straight out of the Otium book of debating. I am factoring them in. Doesn;t matter whether its the prem or league 2, if you can't be arsed to move or get into space, or you can't control a ball or hit a cows arse with a banjo, then youre useless. Playing like he has this season, hed be crap at any level. And football inflation doesn;t begin to make up for what we've blown on him. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on May 17, 2019 15:20:18 GMT 1
My final word on the matter is that he has been absolute rubbish this season, both in terms of ability and effort, but given what he did in France before, we should give him a try in the Championship.
And as he'll be worth precisely zero based on this season's performances, what have we got to lose.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 16:08:51 GMT 1
Well Ive never said he gets bullied. Don;t think he does if he actually gets in a position to put in a challenge. He doesn;t need to put effort in to be in position to challenge for a punt upfield from Lossl. The keeper will generally put it pretty much where he is and losing your marker doesn;t really apply. I wouldn;t criticise that part of his game as its the one thing he could actually do well. But that is not the full story when thinking of aerial stats Its in and around the opposition area where he would not put the effort in to find space or win a header. Thats the more important part of those aerial stats. His movement and anticipation is abysmal and frankly bone idle. He basically marks the centre back. Weve had worse forwards down the years ( not that many though ) but when you factor in the money.. what we bought him for and the wages he will have taken from us, then IMO hes the stand out worst centre forward this clubs ever had. Did Lossl play that many long punts? A large criticism of us has been playing out from the back too much. When he did...it seemed quite effective... |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2019 16:32:15 GMT 1
Lossl and the defenders in general tended to go long much more often when Mounie was playing, because he was likely to win the first ball.
Its not something we did a massive amount of, just when we did Mounie was very good at winning the first header.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 17, 2019 17:54:33 GMT 1
You can't factor in the level of wages and fees to your argument and then not factor in the level of competition and football inflation. That's straight out of the Otium book of debating. I am factoring them in. Doesn;t matter whether its the prem or league 2, if you can't be arsed to move or get into space, or you can't control a ball or hit a cows arse with a banjo, then youre useless. Playing like he has this season, hed be crap at any level. And football inflation doesn;t begin to make up for what we've blown on him. Fair enough, that's subjective, sounds like you just summarised your thoughts as crap as Mounie finds space 🤣 |
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Post by specialun on May 24, 2019 12:22:23 GMT 1
What are the stats showing how lazy he is out of interest? That is more subjective. To me its a combination of two issues... first that he is lazy and generally uncommitted and lacking any desire. And secondly that that is compounded by him not knowing how or when to find space and get into good scoring positions. Criticism of the supply to him is justified , but if you had the most creative midfielders and the best crossers of the ball in the country, it is hard to supply a striker who can't be bothered or doesn;t know how to lose a marker and get into a goalscoring position. ‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough |
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Post by digs on May 24, 2019 12:25:31 GMT 1
That is more subjective. To me its a combination of two issues... first that he is lazy and generally uncommitted and lacking any desire. And secondly that that is compounded by him not knowing how or when to find space and get into good scoring positions. Criticism of the supply to him is justified , but if you had the most creative midfielders and the best crossers of the ball in the country, it is hard to supply a striker who can't be bothered or doesn;t know how to lose a marker and get into a goalscoring position. ‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough and where did the ball go after he headed it? |
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Post by specialun on May 24, 2019 12:35:11 GMT 1
‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough and where did the ball go after he headed it? What has that to do with him being lazy? We can debate his quality but that’s a different subject |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 24, 2019 12:58:41 GMT 1
‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough and where did the ball go after he headed it? That has a lot to do with the fact that we rarely had anybody within 30 yards of him when he flicked it on. He needs to play alongside a partner if we're ever going to get the best out of him. If we persist with one up front then its pointless keeping him here. |
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Post by drfootball on May 24, 2019 13:30:54 GMT 1
‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough and where did the ball go after he headed it? The elderly female Manchester united fan that was knocked out by Herrera when she was struck by a stray shot during the warm up got the ball closer to the goal than Mounie. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2019 23:48:02 GMT 1
That is more subjective. To me its a combination of two issues... first that he is lazy and generally uncommitted and lacking any desire. And secondly that that is compounded by him not knowing how or when to find space and get into good scoring positions. Criticism of the supply to him is justified , but if you had the most creative midfielders and the best crossers of the ball in the country, it is hard to supply a striker who can't be bothered or doesn;t know how to lose a marker and get into a goalscoring position. ‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough Youre missing the point. Yes he would win headers from long punts up field all day long. he was very good at it. Not a lot of movement needed. No need to even try and lose your marker. You and everyone else can see it coming to you from 50 yards away. Obviously good enough at that to propel himself right up the 'winning headers stats' But put him in the goal mouth area, where effort makes a huge difference. Where its crucial to lose your marker, or find that bit of space. Make that sprint just incase the ball gets played there... and he showed sod all effort. Lazy as it gets. No movement , no desire, hiding behind a defender. I can put up with players being shit if they try and give it 100%. But when theyre shit and don;t try.. when theyre bone idle and half-assed, ,,to me thats inexcusable. Mounie was one of the most half-assed, lazy strikers Ive seen last season. Possibly only surpassed by depoitre who was possibly even worse. Its no surprise they barely scored a goal between them. |
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Post by impact on May 24, 2019 23:57:20 GMT 1
‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough Youre missing the point. Yes he would win headers from long punts up field all day long. he was very good at it. Not a lot of movement needed. No need to even try and lose your marker. You and everyone else can see it coming to you from 50 yards away. Obviously good enough at that to propel himself right up the 'winning headers stats' But put him in the goal mouth area, where effort makes a huge difference. Where its crucial to lose your marker, or find that bit of space. Make that sprint just incase the ball gets played there... and he showed sod all effort. Lazy as it gets. No movement , no desire, hiding behind a defender. I can put up with players being shit if they try and give it 100%. But when theyre shit and don;t try.. when theyre bone idle and half-assed, ,,to me thats inexcusable. Mounie was one of the most half-assed, lazy strikers Ive seen last season. Possibly only surpassed by depoitre who was possibly even worse. Its no surprise they barely scored a goal between them. Long punts up field give him time to see the ball and move towards it and challenge with a running start. In the box he is clueless. He tries to do the same and wait until the ball is played to start moving, by which point he's too late. He doesn't even attempt to get free of players or make a run most of the time. As you say, that's where he's lazy. Compare him to Grant who is always on the move. |
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Post by willo on May 25, 2019 0:41:16 GMT 1
‘Lazy’ Steve Mounie won the third most headers in the Premier League last season I mean I maybe every single one hit him directly given the quality of our passing cough Youre missing the point. Yes he would win headers from long punts up field all day long. he was very good at it. Not a lot of movement needed. No need to even try and lose your marker. You and everyone else can see it coming to you from 50 yards away. Obviously good enough at that to propel himself right up the 'winning headers stats' But put him in the goal mouth area, where effort makes a huge difference. Where its crucial to lose your marker, or find that bit of space. Make that sprint just incase the ball gets played there... and he showed sod all effort. Lazy as it gets. No movement , no desire, hiding behind a defender. I can put up with players being shit if they try and give it 100%. But when theyre shit and don;t try.. when theyre bone idle and half-assed, ,,to me thats inexcusable. Mounie was one of the most half-assed, lazy strikers Ive seen last season. Possibly only surpassed by depoitre who was possibly even worse. Its no surprise they barely scored a goal between them. If you were to score Mounie & LDP out of 10 for their performances last season, I’d give LDP a 1 for managing to put his boots on the right feet. Mounie would get a 3 for at least being in a position to score occasionally. The fact he was usually well wide with any attempt on goal is another matter. If we could somehow recoup half of what we paid for Mounie, he’d be off for me. I know there are those that defend him because the service was dire but he looked half-arsed, lazy and like he wanted to be somewhere far, far, away to me much of the time. |
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Post by townrwe on May 25, 2019 0:51:09 GMT 1
Youre missing the point. Yes he would win headers from long punts up field all day long. he was very good at it. Not a lot of movement needed. No need to even try and lose your marker. You and everyone else can see it coming to you from 50 yards away. Obviously good enough at that to propel himself right up the 'winning headers stats' But put him in the goal mouth area, where effort makes a huge difference. Where its crucial to lose your marker, or find that bit of space. Make that sprint just incase the ball gets played there... and he showed sod all effort. Lazy as it gets. No movement , no desire, hiding behind a defender. I can put up with players being shit if they try and give it 100%. But when theyre shit and don;t try.. when theyre bone idle and half-assed, ,,to me thats inexcusable. Mounie was one of the most half-assed, lazy strikers Ive seen last season. Possibly only surpassed by depoitre who was possibly even worse. Its no surprise they barely scored a goal between them. If you were to score Mounie & LDP out of 10 for their performances last season, I’d give LDP a 1 for managing to put his boots on the right feet. Mounie would get a 3 for at least being in a position to score occasionally. The fact he was usually well wide with any attempt on goal is another matter. If we could somehow recoup half of what we paid for Mounie, he’d be off for me. I know there are those that defend him because the service was dire but he looked half-arsed, lazy and like he wanted to be somewhere far, far, away to me much of the time. Looks like hes been round the lossls for breakfast..... I actually like mounie, but not sure he has the quality. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 25, 2019 14:55:38 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 25, 2019 20:13:21 GMT 1
The simple fact is he cant run, he is knock-kneed and is imbalanced...a modicum of speed but would do nothing in the Champs...i am certain of that.
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Post by drfootball on May 25, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 1
The simple fact is he cant run, he is knock-kneed and is imbalanced...a modicum of speed but would do nothing in the Champs...i am certain of that. Can someone knock together one of those you tube video profiles to at least try and make him look like he’s worth more than a bag of chips and a pickled egg. You never know someone might actually want him then , please god |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 25, 2019 21:20:34 GMT 1
Hop Leeds scum might want him, i will drive him.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 25, 2019 21:42:30 GMT 1
The simple fact is he cant run, he is knock-kneed and is imbalanced...a modicum of speed but would do nothing in the Champs...i am certain of that. to at least try and make him look like he’s worth more than a bag of chips and a pickled egg. You never know someone might actually want him then , please god Like this one from the 2017/8 season |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 25, 2019 21:53:52 GMT 1
He is donquixote
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Post by k1man999 on May 25, 2019 22:18:46 GMT 1
Can someone knock together one of those you tube video profiles to at least try and make him look like he’s worth more than a bag of chips and a pickled egg. You never know someone might actually want him then , please god Like this one from the 2017/8 season Who's this guy. Looked promising early on but seems to have gone backwards |
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Post by drfootball on May 25, 2019 22:49:53 GMT 1
Can someone knock together one of those you tube video profiles to at least try and make him look like he’s worth more than a bag of chips and a pickled egg. You never know someone might actually want him then , please god Like this one from the 2017/8 season Ha ha I’ve listed it on anyonewanttobuyadonkey.com |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 25, 2019 23:45:54 GMT 1
I know another website called 'whybeatotalfuckincunt.com'
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Post by htafc on May 26, 2019 14:58:25 GMT 1
sell i don't have faith in Mounie
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Post by drfootball on May 26, 2019 16:40:48 GMT 1
I know another website called 'whybeatotalfuckincunt.com' Harsh , I only called him a donkey but to call him a c..t what would your mum say ,” if you’ve nothing nice to say “ |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 26, 2019 17:26:14 GMT 1
I know another website called 'whybeatotalfuckincunt.com' Harsh , I only called him a donkey but to call him a c..t what would your mum say ,” if you’ve nothing nice to say “ Apologies |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 17:49:40 GMT 1
If he’s here next season he’ll score an absolute hatful.
Needs a bit more time on the ball than you get in the EPL...but he’s got a wicked shot on him...when he hits he really hits it, in a way we’ve not seen from a striker in years.
Hope all the posters above are eating their words in six months time, you’re all bang out of order. It’s a new season in a new competition...time to forget this season and start again.
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Post by crux on May 26, 2019 18:03:19 GMT 1
If he’s here next season he’ll score an absolute hatful. Needs a bit more time on the ball than you get in the EPL...but he’s got a wicked shot on him...when he hits he really hits it, in a way we’ve not seen from a striker in years. Hope all the posters above are eating their words in six months time, you’re all bang out of order. It’s a new season in a new competition...time to forget this season and start again. If Siewert can turn him into a decent goalscoring striker for us, then he should get coach of the season - possibly best coach ever! |
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